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[SlimySnake]

Timestamped below.

Summary:

- Richard's new year resolution is to end pixel counting in face/offs.
- To Richard, the final Output is more important than counting edges.
- John is looking into different ways to showcase differences in image quality.
- With checkerboarding, TSR, DLSS, and FSR, there is really no need to look at the native resolution.
- John calls Face/offs involving counting edges silly in higher end games that are pushing 4k.
- John brings up the switch and that they will continue counting pixels in Switch games because the resolution is so low.



I welcome this approach, but I am not sure why this wasn't brought up last gen when the PS4 Pro launched over 5 years ago. The checkerboarding was available on pretty much every game at launch but they continued to do these 'silly' comparisons from 2016 to 2021. Richard even brought up the PS4 Pro's checkerboarding solution so I am not sure why the change of heart now.

I am also glad that admitted comparisons involving edge cases, 1% minimum drops and literally counting edges during cutscene cuts was a silly idea all along. Even PC GPU comparisons put the average framerates over the 1% minimum drops. A face/off should focus on which game runs the smoothest and looks the best. If you have to pixel count or find the worst performing cutscene in the game to tell your viewer which console to go with then the difference is clearly not big enough.

P.S They will continue to do Switch pixel counts because the resolution is too low. With games like the Matrix Awakens demo struggling to run even at a low 1080p on the PS5 and XSX and significantly below 533p in the XSS in DF's own counting, they might need to bring out the pixel counter once next gen only UE5 games start to come out.

 

[ReBurn]

This is really gonna screw up the console power fights.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They said that prior to this new gen launch as well they needed a better way to compare games instead of pixel counting

 

[Kacho]

This is really gonna screw up the console power fights.

Life console wars always finds a way

 

[sinnergy]

This is really gonna screw up the console power fights.

Nah there will be new fights

 

[AetherZX]

This is really gonna screw up the console power fights.

Nothing 400% zoom can't fix.

 

[Mister Wolf]

That have no choice but to when a game uses dynamic resolution scaling.

 

[rickybooby87]

But how will we WAR!!!???

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[ReBurn]

But how will we WAR!!!???

We'll just start from the assumption that they're doing it to cover for Microsoft.

 

[Sosokrates]

How are they going to articulate the differences between the SeriesS and XSX/PS5 versions then?

Are they just going to tell us the reconstructed resolutions? I guess its intent is the same, but knowing the native resolution is important.

Its odd DF are moving more away from strict technical analysis and more into the rhelm of reviews with a strong tech focus. I actually like both of these things, but I think they need to be clear in what content is.

 

[Stuart360]

Interesting that they are basically taking away the one metric where XSX would probably show an advantage in a lot of games over the coming gen. And yet people think they are Xbox biased.

Well if it stops 20 page threads of warring, its for the best.

 

[Kacho]

But how will we WAR!!!???

Set YouTube video to 144p quality, take a screenshot, post, profit

 

[SlimySnake]

But how will we WAR!!!???

Fur Wars.

 

[Fbh]

I'm sorry but how am I to know if I should enjoy a game on my console then?
Imagine I spend $70 on a new game only to find out later that there's this one cutscene where the dynamic resolution drops 10% lower than on the other console? Now suddenly I just spent $70 on an unusable piece of shit, and there's no refunds on console.

 

[Punished Miku]

Market is wide open now for the next youtube channel to focus only on pixel count.

Make no mistake, the war will continue.

 

[kyliethicc]

2000% zooms will suffice

 

[DeepEnigma]

Fur Wars.

 

[mansoor1980]

the console that had the PIXEL advantage will lose because of this

 

[rickybooby87]

the console that had the PIXEL advantage will lose because of this

First blood has been drawn!

 

[SlimySnake]

Market is wide open now for the next youtube channel to focus only on pixel count.

Unban the Anal Bits guy.

#JusticeForElAnalistaDeBits

 

[JackSparr0w]

That sucks there are people like me that love the numbers and comparing them. it reminds me those fat feminists burning their weight scales.

 

[Imtjnotu]

 

[ReBurn]

How are they going to articulate the differences between the SeriesS and XSX/PS5 versions then?

Are they just going to tell us the reconstructed resolutions? I guess its intent is the same, but knowing the native resolution is important.

Its odd DF are moving more away from strict technical analysis and more into the rhelm of reviews with a strong tech focus. I actually like both of these things, but I think they need to be clear in what content is.

How is knowing the internal resolution important?

 

[Little Chicken]

Counting anything over 1440p is redundant to me, personally.

 

[SlimySnake]

RIP DJ Khaled

 

[DenchDeckard]

Gone are the resolution wars! Maybe they will just say, it looks sharper on whatever console it does?

series s to start punching with the big boys? Ps5 to win more wars thx to higher framerates due to the higher clocked gpu? Who really cares as everything will be delayed anyway and rushed out even with delays lhaha

 

[Putonahappyface]

This is really gonna screw up the console power fights.

Nah it will evolve with Richards new techniques of comparison

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

New year’s resolution: no resolution.

If this means DJ Khaled’s presence on GAF is going to wane, I’m not complaining. We need fresh gifs.

 

[Sosokrates]

How is knowing the internal resolution important?

The same reason people find other DF technical findings important.

 

[Alexios]

I mean, if a game looks sharper and/or less aliased in this or that version, that will still be somehow articulated and shown, even if exact pixel/resolution isn't measured outside the devs themselves informing them it's such and such native/dynamic upscaled with such and such tech to whatever.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

If I had to guess, it’s probably really time consuming to scan the many versions of a game and zoom in to get pixel counts at numerous points in a game, plus it’s not really all that relevant in a lot of cases. Image quality can often be more than just raw pixel counts.

 

[ReBurn]

The same reason people find other DF technical findings important.

To fight about them. Ok I understand.

 

[sinnergy]

If I had to guess, it’s probably really time consuming to scan the many versions of a game and zoom in to get pixel counts at numerous points in a game, plus it’s not really all that relevant in a lot of cases. Image quality can often be more than just raw pixel counts.

It can not ! Ryse 900p says so ! Better textures at 900p, BS! It’s about resolution!

We need war!

 

[Clear]

NXG vindicated?

 

[Skyfox]

If they can zoom in without any processing then do back and forth swaps it should help determine which version is better.

I think they need to start getting measurements for input latency.

 

[Lognor]

This is really gonna screw up the console power fights.

They are clearly doing this because Microsoft owns them and MS is scared PS5 games will have more pixels. Clearly!

/s

 

[Physiognomonics]

It's the right thing to do but their timing is very convenient. Resolution mattered so much for them from 2017 to 2020 (during the mid-gen years) and now suddenly for that generation it doesn't matter?

 

[Sosokrates]

To fight about them. Ok I understand.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It's the right thing to do but their timing is very convenient. Resolution mattered so much for them from 2017 to 2020 (during the mid-gen years) and now suddenly for that generation it doesn't matter?

And how and why is it convenient timing?

 

[Topher]

He's not wrong

 

[Kdad]

 

[Bartski]

should start reporting visible issues that matter for a change, like pop-in

 

[alabtrosMyster]

That's sad to see analysis moving "beyond" data.... I guess we live in a post data world.

I admit that sometimes pixel count does not mean much, especially when the count is so close or that dynamic resolution is used... However, we will be stuck with generic statements like "version X is a bit more blurry on my 85' OLED, no idea why!" They could remove the frame rate counter and just go with "somehow it seems that the last gen versions are a bit more chunky in their movement, no idea why".

DF will be more like King Trash Gaming this year!

 

[HoofHearted]

How will we ever survive?

 

[Roxkis_ii]

As long as games have a difference, even slightly, there will be war. See the matrix demo power consumption thread.

 

[Sosokrates]

He's not wrong

No, but it aint only the only reason.

 

[JTCx]

 

[NickFire]

This is how the plan will end up in the end:

DF:

Son, we live in a world that has pixels, and those pixels have to be counted. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. Fanboys weep for pixels, and you curse the counters. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that pixel count, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don't want the pixel counts because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want those pixel counts -- you need those pixel counts.

We use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent counting pixels. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of knowing how many pixels that I counted and then questions the manner in which I count them.

I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a counter and count those pixels. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!

Random enthusiast board moderator:

Did you order the pixel count?

DF:

I did the job --

Random enthusiast board moderator:

Did you order the count the pixels?!

DF:

YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID!!!

 

[dcmk7]

significantly below 533p in the XSS

Damn.. Is that actually true? How low was it?