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[B-universe]

I mean the companies are used to choose key employees to deny the crushing all the time... that was already being a thing in several others companies accused of the same behavior.
BTW the info from the crushing come from own company employee too... it is anonymous to safe secure no harm to the employee.

Listen, I know what you mean, as you've already shared the exact same tirade elsewhere. You've been offered countless arguments, which you never ever address.

And, because - yet again - you seem to have completely misunderstood the quotes, they are not denying Crunch. At all.
Please read the original article before posting.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Crunch happens in all industries.

 

[regawdless]

It's like most things in life, it's not black and white. Crazy crunching employees to their limit and using the position of power to force them is not desirable of course.
But working in development myself, sometimes shit just needs to get done. The best managers in the world cannot plan for certain things. And especially in IT projects, a lot of unforeseen stuff happens.
It's all about the balance. Are people being compensated properly? How often does it happen, how hard and long is the crunch? How is the overall work environment etc.

Stuff is always more complicated than it seems at first.

 

[Deleted member 740922]

That thing soon...

 

[ethomaz]

Listen, I know what you mean, as you've already shared the exact same tirade elsewhere. You've been offered countless arguments, which you never ever address.

And, because - yet again - you seem to have completely misunderstood the quotes, they are not denying Crunch. At all.
Please read the original article before posting.

So why did you make I repeat myself if my original post was clear to you? lol

An employee coming to public to say he likes the crunch does look a lot like a PR deal.

 

[kretos]

more crunch please so you don't spend 5-6 years until we get the next game

 

[OmegaSupreme]

That thing soon...

Harsh. You right tho. Movieblob and he have some of the worst genetics ever.

 

[supernova8]

Our accounting department has mammoth crunch every year around March. Shit happens. Surely people go into game development knowing there will be crunch. It's not like they have to stay if they don't want to.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Damn BTFO'd Jim too.

 

[Fart Knight]

If you dont like overwork go do something else.

 

[Ailike]

Crunches are bad! Devs should unionize!

Unless its for a game I want.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I have projects where I have to crunch all the time. No need to save people that literally make video games. It's not like they're not being compensated.

 

[ExpandKong]

At the risk of making a broad generalization, isn't it funny how people like Schrier and Sterling and the dangerhairs at Era complain about crunch when they don't look like they've worked a day in their lives?

You've gotta work hard sometimes to get ahead, or to make something you're proud of, or to survive. Cry more bitches.

 

[Nymphae]

This is such a tiring topic, they're not slaves.

 

[Doczu]

Your username perfectly fits the pic you posted.

 

[mckmas8808]

I mean the companies are used to choose key employees to deny the crushing all the time... that was already being a thing in several others companies accused of the same behavior.
BTW the info from the crushing come from own company employee too... it is anonymous to safe secure no harm to the employee.

But do we know if most of those employees are being hurt?

 

[Whitecrow]

Crunch sucks.

BUTT.

You cant be on the top of game development if you are not willing to crunch. Success comes at a cost. That also applies to anything about programming.

And to succeed, you need one of those things:
-Lots of luck.
-Lots of money to buy it.
-Earn it by your efforts.

If everything you want is to make your 8 hours and go home, you wont get too far. That's how it is.

 

[ethomaz]

But do we know if most of those employees are being hurt?

That is the right question... at least the employees that shared the info to the journalist together with the screen of the email sure have some issue with that.

Now a employee on twitter saying he is fine with crunch some days after the news broke up feels weird... to not say controlled damage control.

 

[OldBoyGamer]

I can only offer my own experience as a Uk based game dev.

crunch occurs for several reasons:
1. An unforeseen circumstance occurs that cannot be helped and the only way to overcome is to crunch.
Usually this is the most honest type of crunch if I can use that word. And also it often is short term. Weeks maybe a month or so until the issue is solved

2. crunch is built into the development schedule - usually secretly. This isa scummy crunch if I can use the term and the most dishonest. Usually this is the type that lasts for many months in the last year of the project

3. mismanagement. This can be anything from production Were Incompetent and failed to plan properly to the ‘visionary’ behind the game demanding more and more and more. This is the shittiest form of crunch if I can use that term simply because it’s down to people in authority either being shit at their job or being egotistical arseholes.

trying to think of a 4 and 5.

 

[Umbral]

If I’m passionate about something, I’ll work until it’s done. Often these CEO’s and execs work longer hours than the normal employees. It’s not like they’ve got their legs kicked up on the desk daydreaming. I’ve worked overtime without anyone having to ask me because I wanted to get it done and do it well.

Schreier and Sterling need to go work in a coal mine for a bit and see what real work is.

 

[petran79]

Leaked image of CDPR workers after days of crunching..

They (miners) are fortunately better paid too

 

[pr0cs]

Just reaffirmation that Shrier and Stirling are shit journalists like most journalists these days.
There are so few good game journalists.

 

[DESTROYA]

And people will all forget about it once the game comes out...this is such a non issue and happens with everything.

 

[LisaMariaMartin]

I am a software dev (not in gaming) and we always crunch when a project nears its end. Its normal. Do I like it? I dunno. I don't give a fuck. We usually get 70% of the pay when doing overtime and a 100% nighttime bonus + additional vacation days.

Those companies aren't idiots. They don't want to work their developers to death. You usually get huge incentives for crunching. At least where I work.

I don't have a family to come home to so other people might experience crunch differently. It's definitely strange how Schreier is fighting for better work conditions while STILL purchasing those games effectively rewarding upper management.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Damn BTFO'd Jim too.

Is that his wife's pegging stick?

 

[Doczu]

I do not have any insider info, but i know from a dev that the crunch isn't as bad as the media portray it and it was needed to complete the game without further delays. Most of the team was ok with it and the ones that aren't are a pain in the ass in the teams.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

yes. i do think there is something ideological behind the whole "oh the poor workers" schtick. it's part of the socialist fantasy that the left/media writers (let's be honest, they are one and the same) share. they always have to be glorious heroes, it's part of the ego game, the way they sooth the fact that their lives are built around glorifying consumerism and corporate product. (imo this is also why they secretly hate themselves)

imo there is nothing wrong with putting in long hours for a project you believe in. that's something even historical communists can agree to.

look at the shelf full of plastic consumer garbage behind this obese man. these are the people telling us to be socialists. fat pigs who live off glorifying consumer product.

these socialists are all fake and full of shit. they wouldn't lift a finger to help a stranger out.

 

[MrS]

Jason looks like a squeezed cock. Sick of his blatant agendas and left-wing bullshit. If he hates how the sausage is made, perhaps he should go vegan and get the fuck out of the industry. Good to see CDPR come out swinging.

 

[Doczu]

nothing wrong with putting in long hours for a project you believe in. that's something even historical communists can agree to.

Don't give them ideas. Last time the commies crunched they achieved Chernobyl's yearly power quota in a few minutes.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Is that his wife's pegging stick?

He's married?

 

[DESTROYA]

Is that his wife's pegging stick?

His husbands boyfriends pegging stick.

He's married?

To twinkies.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He's married?

His husbands boyfriends pegging stick.

Hmmm, maybe not.

James Stephanie Sterling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In a video from November 2015 on Fallout 4, when talking about the polyamorous relationship options he stated that he is "not a monogamous guy, nor [...] a straight one either."[20] He openly identifies as pansexual[21] and queer.[22] In June 2020, he became a naturalized United States citizen.[23] In August 2020, Sterling came out as non-binary, saying he accepts all pronouns.[24]

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Hmmm, maybe not.

James Stephanie Sterling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In a video from November 2015 on Fallout 4, when talking about the polyamorous relationship options he stated that he is "not a monogamous guy, nor [...] a straight one either."[20] He openly identifies as pansexual[21] and queer.[22] In June 2020, he became a naturalized United States citizen.[23] In August 2020, Sterling came out as non-binary, saying he accepts all pronouns.[24]

Yeah I can't anymore with such fuckery.

 

[GrayChild]

Hmmm, maybe not.

In a video from November 2015 on Fallout 4, when talking about the polyamorous relationship options he stated that he is "not a monogamous guy, nor [...] a straight one either."[20] He openly identifies as pansexual[21] and queer.[22] In June 2020, he became a naturalized United States citizen.[23] In August 2020, Sterling came out as non-binary, saying he accepts all pronouns.[24]

Why am I not that surprised?

 

[The Fartist]

The devs stand to make 50K bonuses on average, the average CDPR dev gets paid 70k per year, the average median household income in Poland is just over 5K. CDPR is a private, self funded company.

FUCK OFF JASON.

 

[Miles708]

Don't like it, quit.

Many people would kill to work on shit like that.

I mean, yeah, living under a brige (or 1000 km from home) is a valid choice I guess.

"You're doing a non-shit job so you can crunch and shut up about it" is a reasoning I can't really understand.
Life is outside of work, more work means less life.

For a damn game, nontheless.

I have projects where I have to crunch all the time. No need to save people that literally make video games. It's not like they're not being compensated.

Again, you should be sorry for your position instead of wishing to drag everyone with you.

 

[Maddux4164]

So weird how no one cared or raised eyebrows when I worked 6 days per week everyday for 7 years, and without the benefit of “overtime” pay.

So fuck it. Don’t care. I’ll enjoy the game. Don’t like it? Quit. Someone else will be willing to do the job.

 

[Denton]

Adrian Chmielarz is so damn awesome:

A reliable journalist will not only check exactly how things are, but also listen to all interested parties. As Marcin's comment shows, the case is not as obvious as they present it. I therefore find calling these political activists ′′ journalists ′′ unauthorized.

Spot on.

 

[GrayChild]

Adrian Chmielarz is so damn awesome:

He is. Actually, he was banned from OldGaf due to not siding up with the far-left loonies that were leading the parade back then.

 

[Umbral]

I mean, yeah, living under a brige (or 1000 km from home) is a valid choice I guess.

"You're doing a non-shit job so you can crunch and shut up about it" is a reasoning I can't really understand.
Life is outside of work, more work means less life.

For a damn game, nontheless.



Again, you should be sorry for your position instead of wishing to drag everyone with you.

For some people their life is their work. Highly industrious people don’t think the the way you do and I don’t want to restrict their productivity. Why chain down the John Carmacks and Elon Musks of the world?

 

[Arun1910]

Only people who are really complaining about a well paid 6 week crunch are non developers.

 

[Miles708]

For some people their life is their work. Highly industrious people don’t think the the way you do and I don’t want to restrict their productivity. Why chain down the John Carmacks and Elon Musks of the world?

This is a destructive way of thinking and honestly must be stopped.
Not everyone's life is work, but if the baseline is the workaholic people, the entire enviroment gets un-livable for normal humans standard. If you also want a life, that is.

Find an hobby, goddamnit.

 

[StonedRider]

I don't understand this crunch outrage. Every engineering project has crunch period, especially major one. Rocket launches, factory openings, software implementation. One could argue game development does not worth overtime, but it's the same project as any other, it earns money, in should be completed in time to reduce expenses or PR damage.

 

[Umbral]

This is a destructive way of thinking and honestly must be stopped.
Not everyone's life is work, but if the baseline is the workaholic people, the entire enviroment gets un-livable for normal humans standard. If you also want a life, that is.

Find an hobby, goddamnit.

You don’t get to control other people and their personalities. If Elon Musk wants to work 80 hours a week, not feel obligated to, but wants to. You don’t get to tell him he can’t and I would never dream of trying to restrain him or others like him. They move us further forward than most of humanity.

If you want to work 25-40 hours a week, fine. I‘m not a super industrious person; I’m middling. I’m not gonna pull them down to my level so I can feel better. People are wired differently.

 

[SumJester]

As long it's paid overtime and people can leave to take care of some sort of emergency that might happen, i'm fine with it.

Myself, i don't do overtime. (I'm not paid for it)

 

[regawdless]

Unfortunately, it's often not possible to discuss these topics neutrally and consider multiple perspectives. Too often, it's poisoned by ideology, trying to show pseudo moral superiority by demonizing decision makers in those companies while victimizing the poor worker.

I see the same pattern over and over again:
Always blame some abstract general systematic reason (capitalism for example) while completely ignoring individual responsibility.
It's such an easy way out of actually trying to solve issues. Stuff is damn complicated, improving things is difficult.

 

[Denton]

He is. Actually, he was banned from OldGaf due to not siding up with the far-left loonies that were leading the parade back then.

Oh I know. I got juniored once right on this forum (hi Bish!) because I posted an interview in which he went against The Narrative. How the times change.

 

[ZywyPL]

I wrote in the thread about Cp2077 crunch thread already that nobody from the dev team will bat an eye, it's just a month of sacrificing your Saturdays, while still working normal 8h a day in the week, so still being able to have a perfect work-life balance. There is an enormous difference between crunches that are planned/announced in advance, like, you know you'll be doing extra hour or two everyday for the next 3 or 5 weeks, or extra Saturdays for the next month, or there will be night shifts in the next 2 months etc., versus coming to work not knowing when you'll get out of it, and how long such situation will persist (in such cases it'll mostly persist forever as it means the management is not capable/doesn't want to handle the issue). Almost all companies around the world from all industries there are eventually go through some hard times where that additional working time is needed, the question is how it is being managed and what/if the management is going to do about it.

 

[B-universe]

This is a destructive way of thinking and honestly must be stopped.
Not everyone's life is work, but if the baseline is the workaholic people, the entire enviroment gets un-livable for normal humans standard. If you also want a life, that is.

Find an hobby, goddamnit.

Must be stopped?
Who asked for your permission?
Who elected you Kim Jong Un of the Game development Industry?

There's a solid chance you're right about how workaholism is ultimately unhealthy, but it's not for you to decide, is it? And because it's not for you to decide, because it's none of your business, stick to offering pieces of advice instead of phrasing it as though you were prescribing the ultimate recipe for human happiness to AAA teams.

If, for whatever reason, even against their own best judgement and interests, developers want to crunch they absolutely have the right to.

You're still welcome to rally online against it, though.

 

[mikefrails]

I’ve been in multiple positions where depending on the situation we worked harder than usual. Only in video games do people put up this kind of portrayal like it’s slavery.