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Calling fellow Playstation lovers - do the right thing and call out Sony!
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DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
Meh that Horizon 2 footage was probably running on a PC to emulate the ps5 experience xD
TBiddy
Member
Agreed. This is a major rip-off.
Flintty
Member
Agreed. Avoiding engagement in the first place would be the ideal course of action!
The Bloody-Nine
Member
I thought you can use the DS4 to play PS4 games on PS5?
Kazza
Member
VFXVeteran alt?
DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
Whats a VFXVeteran alt ?
PlayStation obviously have mislead us.
They Demo’d Spider-Man last year stating that he couldn’t swing faster due to the slow Hard-drive. Assuming they’ve taking advantage of the SSD in the PS5 morales version, how does this bode for the PS4 version?
I’m really looking forward to seeing how it looks/runs on PS4
They Demo’d Spider-Man last year stating that he couldn’t swing faster due to the slow Hard-drive. Assuming they’ve taking advantage of the SSD in the PS5 morales version, how does this bode for the PS4 version?
I’m really looking forward to seeing how it looks/runs on PS4
shubik
Member
As a Sony fanboy I really don´t care. Both games look incredible and I can truly say for myself this looks next-gen. The only problem people had with Microsoft's approach, was the fact that they never showed any gameplay running on the system and Halo looked like crap. That combined with the 4TF base console created a feeling in people that the next gen is beeing held down by the base console of microsoft.
If the SONY first-party titles in the first year are cross gen but still use all the power of next gen, thats fine for me. The PS4 allready proved itselve a s a mashine cabable of displaying top of the line visuals. I have no daubt this will be the case for miles and Horizon as well.
If the SONY first-party titles in the first year are cross gen but still use all the power of next gen, thats fine for me. The PS4 allready proved itselve a s a mashine cabable of displaying top of the line visuals. I have no daubt this will be the case for miles and Horizon as well.
supernova8
Banned
Yeah now that they have confirmed that (at least some) games will be coming to PS4 anyway, is there really any excuse? I highly doubt there are any uses of the Dual Sense that would be game-breaking if removed.
Raonak
Banned
I mean, demons souls is a launch exclusive. Some games are crossgen. Other are not. Would've been nice if Sony were more upfront, but they never said that all their games are only on PS5. They said they believe in generations, and Demons Souls is a prime example of that.
It's a big difference compared to MS and their "all of our first party games are crossgen for the first 2 years"
MS's problem was that Halo looked underwhelming, and people blamed it on being cross gen. When infact it looks meh because of development troubles.
It's a big difference compared to MS and their "all of our first party games are crossgen for the first 2 years"
MS's problem was that Halo looked underwhelming, and people blamed it on being cross gen. When infact it looks meh because of development troubles.
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sandkiller
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Dear fellow Playstation lovers,
Just like you, I've been enjoying the last few months shitting on Xbox for their cross-gen antics. I've been relishing the opportunity to throw yesterday's PS5 showcase in the face of Xbox fans as a 'AHA TAKE THAT BITCHES' moment but after that we find out that at the very least, Horizon Forbidden West and the Miles Morales game are coming to PS4 as well as PS5.
I'm stoked as much as you are for PS5 but come on. Although they didn't necessarily say those games would be PS5 exclusive, the messaging very strongly hinted at it and for them to now mention, almost in passing as if they don't want to draw attention to it, that two of the key first party titles aren't actually next-gen exclusive.................. it's just a bit of a slap in the face.
Do you not hate being lied to? I know I do. Sure it's not lying if they never technically said those games wouldn't come to PS4, but it's effectively the same thing. They've been riding the wave of hate towards Xbox and it turns out what they're doing isn't really much different. If we try to hide behind the fine print then we're doing what the 'other side' did.
So, again, calling all fellow Pureisuteishon lovers, let's call it out because if we don't do it then we're just as bad as the Xbots who blindly support the likes of Aaron Greenscreen and Phil Spritzer.
note: If you think I'm posing as Playstation lover to whip up a frenzy, check my post history - I've been shitting on Xbox for months
I missed that (guess it was not mentioned during the presentation) - do you have a link where it's oficial?
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ZywyPL
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Just a gentle reminder:
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www.theverge.com
I feel like Ryan has become the public enemy no. 1 since yesterday with his 180 spin from the previous narrative. Actually the more and more I read through the forum I feel that yesterday's presentation did more harm than good, that 399 is completely overshadowed by 69-79 games prices, and the games are coming to either PS4 or PC anyway, so there's close to no reason to jump on the PS5 yet, and Ryan says that we should expect the cross-gen period to last even 4 years, double of what Spencer said, by 4 years time the consoles will be already dated and people will be already looking forward to PS5 Pro/PS6...
Sony confirms PS5 will have exclusive games playable only on next-gen hardware
Marking a departure in strategy between Sony and Microsoft.
www.theverge.com
Jim Ryan said:
I feel like Ryan has become the public enemy no. 1 since yesterday with his 180 spin from the previous narrative. Actually the more and more I read through the forum I feel that yesterday's presentation did more harm than good, that 399 is completely overshadowed by 69-79 games prices, and the games are coming to either PS4 or PC anyway, so there's close to no reason to jump on the PS5 yet, and Ryan says that we should expect the cross-gen period to last even 4 years, double of what Spencer said, by 4 years time the consoles will be already dated and people will be already looking forward to PS5 Pro/PS6...
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
I'm not planning to get either of these games (haven't played the previous ones, either) but I'm glad that Sony is trying to support the PS4. Hopefully we still get "3 or 4 years" out of it like they said, but I'm only holding my breath for 1-2 max (which includes third parties).
That said, both of these open-world games will most directly benefit from the SSD. Some cross-gen games will be like choosing between the 30 fps version of MGS5 with long load times or the 60 fps version on PS4 or X1, and other games will show less of a boost, like PS3/PS4 versions of Guilty Gear Xrd and Persona 4. It's definitely "cross gen".
That said, both of these open-world games will most directly benefit from the SSD. Some cross-gen games will be like choosing between the 30 fps version of MGS5 with long load times or the 60 fps version on PS4 or X1, and other games will show less of a boost, like PS3/PS4 versions of Guilty Gear Xrd and Persona 4. It's definitely "cross gen".
supernova8
Banned
PlayStation 5 launches in November, starting at $399 for PS5 Digital Edition and $499 for PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-Ray Disc Drive
New games announced at PS5 Showcase, including Final Fantasy XVI, Hogwarts Legacy, and a new God of War title
blog.playstation.com
ripeavocado
Banned
At least Killzone was a real next gen title and so were many third party games available at launch.
Infamous Second Son, one of the most beautiful games this generation and solid ow action, released only few months later.
This time even NBA 2K looks exactly the same as before and it's a mtx shitfest.
I would be literally buying PS5 to play Cyberpunk 2077 but because I have both Xbox One X and PS4 Pro the benefits minimal.
So I am not buying next gen consoles for a while.
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MasterCornholio
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If they pull a Craig on us I will complain.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Lol this is beyond stupid am I supposed to be upset that PlayStation is releasing their cross console games hahaha.
This shit is hilarious. They “lied to us” LOOL. Y’all really like to play Fantasy Game Company Director or something? Funny as hell.
This shit is hilarious. They “lied to us” LOOL. Y’all really like to play Fantasy Game Company Director or something? Funny as hell.
Hostile_18
Banned
I agree. Also charging for a Spiderman PS5 patch is shocking. Hardly setting a good example to 505 games 
Alphagear
Member
Yes Sony deserve all the stick they get.
Have no issues with supporting last gen. Always happened in the past with Sony consoles but we always saw a clear definition each generation.
Got all PS consoles Day 1 but will not on this occasion.
Especially not with those 70 pound new releases.
Not to forget I have a huge backlog of PS4 games still remaining.
I might just simply get the console at Christmas simply to play my PS4 backlog and purchase the PS5 games used when the price drops.
Have no issues with supporting last gen. Always happened in the past with Sony consoles but we always saw a clear definition each generation.
Got all PS consoles Day 1 but will not on this occasion.
Especially not with those 70 pound new releases.
Not to forget I have a huge backlog of PS4 games still remaining.
I might just simply get the console at Christmas simply to play my PS4 backlog and purchase the PS5 games used when the price drops.
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Dontuseducks
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That's really not the point. The point is that supposedly cross-gen will hold back next-gen per se. People who said it is just a scaling thing got a lot, and i repeat, a lot of hate.
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namekuseijin
Banned
no VR, no buy
that's all, bye
that's all, bye
Raonak
Banned
The reason Halo got hate was because it looked rough, and people blamed it on it being crossgen when infact it was due to development troubles.
Miles morales and Horizon 2 looked so good that people didn't even realise they were crossgen.
Dontuseducks
Member
Sorry but that is not true,, Yes Halo looked like shit, but the discussion was purely about MS having cross-gen titels for 1 or 2 years and that it will hold back next-gen. That started way before the gameplay reveal of infinite.
Raonak
Banned
There's a big difference between having no next gen exclusives and having some crossgen titles.
And MS could have shut up the narrative by just showing amazing looking crossgen titles, but completely failed to do it.
Dontuseducks
Member
I'm not sure why you keep defending something i haven't even said. It feels a lot like moving the goal posts. Did you even read what i've said?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Sony does believe in generations and we are still getting PS5 only releases like demons souls remake, ratchet and clank:rift apart and deathloop. I wouldn't be surprised if God of War Ragnarok is also a cross gen title next year. Though I am a tad bit disappointed because my hype was a bit over the roof thinking these are true next gen experiences. They are rather highly polished current gen experiences taking advantage of shorter load times and higher resolution for the PS5 versions. I guess these god of war,spider man true ps5 exclusives won't happen before 2022
Blue Spring
Read my tears about xbox here --->
I could understand why Spider-Man was cross-gen but who made the decision for Horizon to be cross-gen as well? Guerilla Games are graphical powerhouses in the industry and a perfect fit to showcase your next gen system.
Legit curious who makes those decisions. Was it yoshida or layden?
Legit curious who makes those decisions. Was it yoshida or layden?
I love the mental gymnastics now that Sony went with the cross gen approach.
I don't play on any console or plan to get one. But I would like the media and fans to be equally harsh with Sony as they were with MS here.
I don't mind cross gen games. I believe they make sense for 2021 at least, and now more than ever taking the global recession into account.
Sony seems to be getting good PR no matter what they do and I hate that.
I don't play on any console or plan to get one. But I would like the media and fans to be equally harsh with Sony as they were with MS here.
I don't mind cross gen games. I believe they make sense for 2021 at least, and now more than ever taking the global recession into account.
Sony seems to be getting good PR no matter what they do and I hate that.
Kazza
Member
VXFVeteran is a much loved Neogaf member who loves to come into Playstation threads and educate people about the value of PC gaming. He's especially famous for talking about Playstation console exclusives coming to PC and looking much better than the console versions, the Horizon Zero Dawn series in particular. He is currently banned and your comment sounded like something he would say, so I just made a little joke about you being an alt account he is using to get around the ban. No offence meant
ZywyPL
Banned
'No One Should Be Disappointed at PS5 Exclusives Also Launching on PS4', Says Sony
PlayStation boss Jim Ryan said no one should be disappointed at the news that some PS5 exclusives are actually also launching on PS4.
wccftech.com
Jim Ryan said:
Entroyp
Member
It’s great for PS4 owners, and Sony is legendary for supporting its systems way after a new console launches, which is great.
The only thing I’m pissed at is HZD. I thought we were getting a new gen exclusive and that wasn’t true at all. Fuck.
I sure hope GoW is next gen exclusive because I want it to be the best game it could be, and I will be extremely dissatisfied if that’s not the case.
On the other hand, what can I do? game on Xbox? lol...
The only thing I’m pissed at is HZD. I thought we were getting a new gen exclusive and that wasn’t true at all. Fuck.
I sure hope GoW is next gen exclusive because I want it to be the best game it could be, and I will be extremely dissatisfied if that’s not the case.
On the other hand, what can I do? game on Xbox? lol...
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Shhhh just buy new product.
Business
Member
In case PS5 is quieter and loads faster it can be a great new PS4 Pro, but that’s an incredibly sad reason. Fuck you Jim.
Jaxcellent
Member
Well st least they make some games for us to play, I cant really fault them for selling games to the installed user base. besides, I overslept and missed the chance to preorder, ill still be fine when ill get my ps5 early 2021...
hyperbertha
Member
Well the atmosphere seems to be changing at Sony. Bring back the Japanese HQ, and put some traditional Sony CEOs back in place. Jim Ryan is going to drive it into the ground I fear.
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
A bunch of games will be cross gen. Like many generations before. Who cares? This sounds like some childish shit people are whinijg about.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Just apply thermal paste to your pro.
Flintty
Member
I agree. Also charging for a Spiderman PS5 patch is shocking. Hardly setting a good example to 505 games
This is kind of a valid point. If Spidey was an Xbox game, you’d be able to buy it for the last gen system and be able to play the enhanced version for no charge on the next gen system. Charging again for the same game on PS5 is taking the piss when the competition are moving to a smarter (dare I say consumer friendly) way of selling games.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Read the thread, hell the OP itself. webelieveingenerations
(you) do as you posted here.
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
At this point, protesting against a current gen version of these games sound the most dumb thing You could do
At the Very moment they officially announced these games are comming to ps4, It became clear that the whole development process was not meant to make them only possible on PS5. Maybe thats the reason why on the developers talks vídeo of Horizon, they only mentioned the ssd as a great tool for Just no load times and not for New and different game design and mechanics possibilities (like the one in Ratchet).
With that in mind, we must think that If these games were always intended to run on PS4, why not release ir for It? It doenst make sense. Unless You want to delay It and make It development process centered on ps5 like It happened with Halo. But that would take few more years and I personally want a strong LINE up for the first years of ps5
At the Very moment they officially announced these games are comming to ps4, It became clear that the whole development process was not meant to make them only possible on PS5. Maybe thats the reason why on the developers talks vídeo of Horizon, they only mentioned the ssd as a great tool for Just no load times and not for New and different game design and mechanics possibilities (like the one in Ratchet).
With that in mind, we must think that If these games were always intended to run on PS4, why not release ir for It? It doenst make sense. Unless You want to delay It and make It development process centered on ps5 like It happened with Halo. But that would take few more years and I personally want a strong LINE up for the first years of ps5
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