BudokaiMR2
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Yup, that evil bastard Kotick is paying the devs tons of cash for development and marketing in order to ship what will probably be one of the best selling games of the generation. Again.
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Bungie are upsetting the fan base with Destiny 2
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Yup, that evil bastard Kotick is paying the devs tons of cash for development and marketing in order to ship what will probably be one of the best selling games of the generation. Again.
It's always been there, you just customize your face which is rarely seen because you're wearing a helmet 95% of the time
Wait, I thought everybody already knew this. Destiny 1 made it pretty clear to me that "the darkness" just meant "the enemies that are chasing the Traveler." Did people actually think that was going to be an enemy faction or something? What?
My understanding is and has always been that a lot of the lore behind the Traveler is shit the Speaker made up that turned into a sort of religion that humanity now follows. The "Light" that Guardians wield, the "Darkness" that we are fighting, etc. When really it's a bunch of different races we are fighting for different reasons. I kinda thought that was obvious, to be honest.
Diablohead
Member
already better story telling then bungie themselves.
MissCauthon
Member
This guy blows, should replace him.
Grimoire cards indicate the Darkness is a bit more. It is some kind of malevolent thing. I'm under impression it might be an AI of some kind, possibly some kind of space-time construct. Definitively more than just its forces.
The Greek Freak
Member
Every thread of people who think they are Mr. Elite Esports gamer god shitting on the idea of other people using matchmaking to play their precious raids says otherwise.
Pretty much everything great that has come out of Destiny was under the lead of Luke Smith. So no, don't replace him.
Yeah right
This is the reality of it.
Strangelove77
Member
Luke Smith and Bungie in general always come across as passive aggressive dicks. Like they somewhat enjoy doing or saying things that actively might upset their own hardcore fan base. They rarely if ever budge on anything.
Or maybe it's just me, I dunno.
Honestly as much as I liked the first Destiny, I'm going to wait on Destiny 2 until I hear how much content is in the base game. Maybe it's been verified, but it feels like Destiny 2 is a Destiny 1 expansion that they turned into a sequel. When something like that normally happens I'd expect for that game to be expanded upon with more content - more story, locations, loot, missions, etc.
I don't have those expectations with Bungie. They would be ok with charging $60 for a $30 or $40 expansion.
Or maybe it's just me, I dunno.
Honestly as much as I liked the first Destiny, I'm going to wait on Destiny 2 until I hear how much content is in the base game. Maybe it's been verified, but it feels like Destiny 2 is a Destiny 1 expansion that they turned into a sequel. When something like that normally happens I'd expect for that game to be expanded upon with more content - more story, locations, loot, missions, etc.
I don't have those expectations with Bungie. They would be ok with charging $60 for a $30 or $40 expansion.
the beard comment is hilarious...... please stop.
As a huge Destiny fanboy, I can't back up the decisions I'm hearing about Destiny 2 and I'm losing confidence in what's going to be delivered here...
- choosing visual fidelity over performance.
- choosing a hybrid PtP/server networking over dedicated (if it gets rid of the red bar problems and lagging out of raids then I have no problems with this).
- no forge or theater options make this feel like Halo 3 was a more advanced game.
- no new classes.
- PC delay which essentially forces the hardcore to double-dip because you know you can't sit there a month while others are enjoying the game.
- no grimoire.
- watered down end game content and no in-game LFG for advanced end game content when guided games was hailed as this huge feature.
- no option anymore for 6v6 PvP (I get the 4v4 change believe me, but you now take away the options and lower my clan group participation?)
- taking away PvP modes (no rumble?)
- reused assets or things that were most likely pegged for Destiny 1 had the engine been able to turn content out like they wanted (the Dubious Volley was farmed years ago, Cabal DLC was rumored for years).
- are we getting a new enemy here? or is the Cabal just getting some new characters?
- requested features by the community being ignored.
- are we getting our vault back? will it be better?
So what we do know we're getting:
- what looks like a pretty cohesive single player story line with more character development.
- new subclasses.
- what will be a superior PC version, so based off what they're saying it wasn't possible to optimize 1080p60fps for Xbox One X or Pro.
- new weapons, revamped weapon system.
- 1 year exclusivity for Playstation when Activision could clearly see that was pissing off a good chunk of the fanbase.
- new patrol like activities and/or quests.
- immediate travel, the director being accessible in game.
- better in-game clan integration, and clan rewards (which sound like will ultimately bring problems with it)
I'll cool my jets and wait for what Bungie has to reveal to come, but it's not looking promising to me. Every time I give them the benefit of the doubt or get excited about what Destiny 2 could bring I'm reading something that sounds like 2 steps back have been taken.
As a huge Destiny fanboy, I can't back up the decisions I'm hearing about Destiny 2 and I'm losing confidence in what's going to be delivered here...
- choosing visual fidelity over performance.
- choosing a hybrid PtP/server networking over dedicated (if it gets rid of the red bar problems and lagging out of raids then I have no problems with this).
- no forge or theater options make this feel like Halo 3 was a more advanced game.
- no new classes.
- PC delay which essentially forces the hardcore to double-dip because you know you can't sit there a month while others are enjoying the game.
- no grimoire.
- watered down end game content and no in-game LFG for advanced end game content when guided games was hailed as this huge feature.
- no option anymore for 6v6 PvP (I get the 4v4 change believe me, but you now take away the options and lower my clan group participation?)
- taking away PvP modes (no rumble?)
- reused assets or things that were most likely pegged for Destiny 1 had the engine been able to turn content out like they wanted (the Dubious Volley was farmed years ago, Cabal DLC was rumored for years).
- are we getting a new enemy here? or is the Cabal just getting some new characters?
- requested features by the community being ignored.
- are we getting our vault back? will it be better?
So what we do know we're getting:
- what looks like a pretty cohesive single player story line with more character development.
- new subclasses.
- what will be a superior PC version, so based off what they're saying it wasn't possible to optimize 1080p60fps for Xbox One X or Pro.
- new weapons, revamped weapon system.
- 1 year exclusivity for Playstation when Activision could clearly see that was pissing off a good chunk of the fanbase.
- new patrol like activities and/or quests.
- immediate travel, the director being accessible in game.
- better in-game clan integration, and clan rewards (which sound like will ultimately bring problems with it)
I'll cool my jets and wait for what Bungie has to reveal to come, but it's not looking promising to me. Every time I give them the benefit of the doubt or get excited about what Destiny 2 could bring I'm reading something that sounds like 2 steps back have been taken.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Yep; if I recall correctly it was supposed to alternate an expansion and then a sequel each year.
It sets a horrible precedent.
Doctoglethorpe
Member
Yes, people like taking half of a statement and run with it out of context.
They are going to return to the Darkness down the line. They wanted to step away from it for a bit to figure out how to better portray it. For now, they are focused on fleshing out the Cabal (also something needed) as well as the Light (also something needed).
Not to mention that early Destiny is littered with hints that the Speaker is a fraud. Since he's the one preaching about the darkness, it's been a safe assumption that what we were told (as cryptic as it was) isn't correct anyways. So Bungie had that out from the beginning.
No beards really ruffles my feathers though.
I mean the only one of those things that actually irritates me is no Free For All mode....mostly because I just don't understand why.....it shouldn't be that hard to implement yes?
But beards? Grimoire? Yeah I don't care.
And timed exclusive content is garbage, but I'm not complaining because, well, I get access right now.
But beards? Grimoire? Yeah I don't care.
And timed exclusive content is garbage, but I'm not complaining because, well, I get access right now.
LukasTaves
Member
Because that content isn't an exclusive addition to PS4 users, it's crippling the other versions which is really shitty.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Cornbread78
Member
Everyone is pissed about everything these days. I don't think there is one thing you can do right if your a dev these days because there will always be an alternate faction ready to speak out and be as loud as possible...
Chase Lebowski
Member
Same here.
Revolutionary
Member
Don't worry, Bungie will address these issues in time for DLC pack 3.
StudsMcKewl
Member
I dunno I'm still super hype for Destiny 2, I guess I'm wrong?
Chase Lebowski
Member
Twilight Gap
Member
I'm already off the D2 train and waiting for D3.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
To be fair, Destiny's character customization is extremely limited.
Waylon Drums
Member
For me, it's because it's bullshit. I don't care that I'm the one benefiting this time because it could be the other way around next time. Nevermind the fact that the exclusive strikes have sucked anyway.
People are pissed about the culmination of various things - Beards is just such a no-brainer, its been the most requested thing since literally Day 1.
that on top of so much cut things that wont be making the release like custom matches or rumble, how can you stand in front of your fans pointing at the giant 2 behind you and not have the most basic requests or features ready for launch.
Twilight Gap
Member
because that exclusive content doesn't appear in any of the playlist or gear rotations since Bungie maintains parity between consoles.The PvP map Exodus Blue wasn't an Elimination map in Year One because it was exclusive to PS.
ScriptedReality
Member
Thats not even true in this situation. Tell me how someone can be AGAINST beards? People are just asking for options.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Probably not, but it's not always just a matter of difficulty.
They might just be trying to reduce the number of matchmaking pools at launch to reduce wait times.
Dreathlock
Member
Thank god for anthem. Maybe bungie will have to actually do something for d3 now.
Todesritter74
Member
YuriLowell
Member
Everyone who is pissed will buy the game and all of its DLC.
They really don't care.
They really don't care.
Gameplay is a hell of a drug.
YuriLowell
Member
Because they can sell all of it as $40 DLC.
Honestly, I think Luke Smith is a smart guy and I know the game is in good hands with him as director but...the guy probably shouldn't be the one they have out doing these interviews. He's really unapologetic and matter of fact about things and it can come off the wrong way pretty often. There are a lot of questionable things he's said ever since Taken King.
I think they'll have 3 DLCs and a mountain of cash by the time Anthem stumbles into beta.
panda-zebra
Member
"We had no idea what it was. Straight up. We had no clue."
That got more than a giggle out of me, never expected him of all people to come clean.
As did I in an incredible 3 months+, lived that shit! Never went back, but got this pre-ordered and plan on taking things a little easier this time. And yes it was a mess, a beautiful mess.
That got more than a giggle out of me, never expected him of all people to come clean.
As did I in an incredible 3 months+, lived that shit! Never went back, but got this pre-ordered and plan on taking things a little easier this time. And yes it was a mess, a beautiful mess.
moltonasty
Member
I love posts and comments like this.
Like, how much of a disaster was this game really if you put 1500+ hours of your life into it...
Just listened to the interview with Jason. The quote in the OP isn't really fair b/c it stops halfway through Smith's answer. It was actually a pretty good answer from him that showed humility. He admitted a mistake and went on to explain how they're trying to right the ship for D2.
Here's the second part to his answer...
Here's the second part to his answer...
ookami
Member
Putting aside exclusives, I find it crazy how they changed their focus story wise. It might have been better to recruit back Joe Staten to let him finish his awesome work and save the coherence/narration of the story...
Not having the Grimoire is not really a problem if we have everything well narrated. They could even have authors write books.
Not having the Grimoire is not really a problem if we have everything well narrated. They could even have authors write books.
Pandora012
Member
Bungie has been disappointing it's Destiny fanbase since the first one.
Twilight Gap
Member
I think that's the vibe Bungie gives off anyway and therefore don't have a problem seeing it clearly stated, unlike their fluffy community managers.