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MarkMe2525
Member
I am not a fan of an OP consisting of only a video. Do you have a summary, criticism, support arguments, counter arguments?
Anyways, since I won't be clicking the link, I'll add that I agree with the video title. Halo is a tragedy, for the most part.
Anyways, since I won't be clicking the link, I'll add that I agree with the video title. Halo is a tragedy, for the most part.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
If you put halo on PlayStation it’s maybe bigger today.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Not any Halo game made by 343i.
343i Halo games have problems that have nothing to do with the platform the games launched on. The fact you would attempt to claim this is utterly bizarre and baffling.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
35 minute video with no synopsis from the OP.
How do you expect most people to have a comment that contributes to the conversation?
I can guess what was said but im not watching the whole video in order to come up with this comment, so if I'm totally off it's the OP's fault.
The tragedy in Halo comes from a couple of sources. First, the industry has largely outgrown the way Halo plays. With games like COD and Apex, battle-royales and the like taking over the shooter genre, Halo has done little to nothing to try and adapt to the new audience.
Secondly, Halo has yet to nail a full salvo of game modes since Reach. Halo 5 was good multiplayer, bad campaign. Infinite was good campaign, lackluster multiplayer, no co-op at launch and no Forge.
Toss in some mediocre Seasonal content for the first 2 seasons and no update on the campaign, Halo's last hope is the revitalization using UE5.
That about sums it up, Bob.
How do you expect most people to have a comment that contributes to the conversation?
I can guess what was said but im not watching the whole video in order to come up with this comment, so if I'm totally off it's the OP's fault.
The tragedy in Halo comes from a couple of sources. First, the industry has largely outgrown the way Halo plays. With games like COD and Apex, battle-royales and the like taking over the shooter genre, Halo has done little to nothing to try and adapt to the new audience.
Secondly, Halo has yet to nail a full salvo of game modes since Reach. Halo 5 was good multiplayer, bad campaign. Infinite was good campaign, lackluster multiplayer, no co-op at launch and no Forge.
Toss in some mediocre Seasonal content for the first 2 seasons and no update on the campaign, Halo's last hope is the revitalization using UE5.
That about sums it up, Bob.
MarkMe2525
Member
Everything that person posts is bizarre and baffling. I'm convinced it's a chatbot. Look through posts history for some "wtf" moments.
March Climber
Member
I thought Halo standardized/popularized it but it wasn’t the first, right? I still remember the jank of PS2/GameCube/Dreamcast shooters before Halo, and there were way more missses than hits when it came to control schemes.
nkarafo
Member
N64 fps games had d-pad for movement/strafe and analog for aim ever since it's first fps, Turok. Pretty much ALL N64 fps games have that scheme, just not as the default all the time.
Goldeneye even has a real dual analog mode.
tylrdiablos
Member
I remember N64 games (GoldenEye & Perfect Dark mostly) using the C-Buttons for look-up/look-down and side-stepping, but not sure the D-Pad was used much?
nkarafo
Member
Just hold the controller from the left side. And use the 1.2 Solitare scheme from the options.
Congrats, you are now playing Goldeneye like a modern shooter (left thumb = move+ strafe, right thumb = turn + aim, right index = shoot, left index = crosshair).
That's how i was playing FPS games since 1997. Modern dual analog controls were a second nature to me since then.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
It wasn't the first, there was an Alien game on PSX and TimeSplitters on PS2, but it definitely popularized it.Video is already spewing false facts early on. Claims the controller scheme was a Halo first.
So basically this
March Climber
Member
I was expecting you to say something like Medal of Honor on PS1/PS2 or something man lol. Of all the examples you use, the N64 is one of the worst. It didn’t standardize anything but using a 3d joystick for movement. First person shooters had to be built differently on it because of how oddly that controller was built. I remember how awkward games like Doom 64, Turok, and Goldeneye/PD felt even though they had really good level design. Also the dual joystick thing doesn’t work if you’re playing with 4 players….That entire console’s control scheme felt experimental at best.
nkarafo
Member
For you maybe. Your fault for never checking the control options.
I played zero N64 FPS games like this. I played all of them with D-Pad for movement and the analog for aim/turn.
This is funny.... Because of the way it's built, the N64 controller is the ONLY single analog controller that can do this scheme.
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March Climber
Member
Then you would have to blame the millions who didn’t too. You can’t do math like this based on exceptions. You have to factor in the averages. The average person would not change the control scheme to a dpad-based one, plug in two controllers, or turn their controller to the side.
That’s good for you and you alone.
nkarafo
Member
They added all these different options for me alone? They knew me?
I'm honored.
Also in Turok, that was the default way to control the game so...
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
March Climber
Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
But yes, Bungie with Halo refined the controls and deadzone for consoles where it felt fantastic in comparison to some other games.Thank you,DeepEnigma for the solid answer.
ResilientBanana
Member
What the fuck even is this thread.
Guerilla Munch
Member
I miss the original trilogy with slow movement speed and half a dozen weapons. Simple to play, difficult to master. I tried getting into Infinite and it was a bunch of shitty maps with zoomers grapple spamming and using superpowers and dabbing. What a convoluted bag of shit this franchise has become.
Darkmakaimura
Member
What's going to happen with the future of Halo?
I've heard rumors that it's pretty much done for and that there's nothing really new going to come to Halo Infinite.
This used to be the flagship title of Xbox. The games in the lore really cool so it's sad to see what's happening with it because of mismanagement.
I've heard rumors that it's pretty much done for and that there's nothing really new going to come to Halo Infinite.
This used to be the flagship title of Xbox. The games in the lore really cool so it's sad to see what's happening with it because of mismanagement.
Halo never really reinvented itself like other flagship long-standing franchises. It's all kind of the "same game." Compared to Final Fantasy or Zelda, Halo has just always just been the same shit every time, like Dynasty Warriors. Even basic dumb person games like CoD or Battlefield will dramatically shake up their settings to try and keep things fresh.
Darkmakaimura
Member
I would like a soft reboot. They should go back to the time of the ancient humans and make a game about that.
tylrdiablos
Member
Oh man, the other day I was trying to think which game was earliest to introduce a sensible dual-stick movement scheme.Red Faction on the PS2 used analogs.
And never forget!
I could remember Halo 1 having it, and being comfortable to play, but I was sure there were FPS/dual stick games before it.
Ape Escape made a big deal about use of the dual-shock (?) sticks but the left stick was to move the character and the right stick was for whichever gadget you had equipped.
Wasn't there a Quake (2?) on PSX? Christ... down the rabbit hole I go...
Barakov
Gold Member
Red Faction on the PS2 used analogs.
And never forget!
Hudo
Member
No one knows. But suddenly Playstation somehow plays a role.