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At what point a game becomes too old for you to play ?
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MidGenRefresh
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It's a 2D game. There are a lot of timeless 2D games and DOOM is one of those games.
rodrigolfp
Gamepads 4 Life
Doesn't matter for GZDoom mod the game being 2D or not. It works.
Captain Toad
Member
Super Mario World will be a good game 100 years from now.
MidGenRefresh
Member
O lol, this forum, man. Love it. This tells me you know fuck all.
rodrigolfp
Gamepads 4 Life
Nice argument. Bet you never used or even knew about GZdoom free look until now.
MidGenRefresh
Member
Do you understand that GZDoom was released sometime in mid 00s and the original DOOM was released in 1993?
Hardware limitations?
A fork of the original code?
2 completely different things?
Refer to my previous post if you want to know what I think about your opinion. This forum... man
Comandr
Member
Really depends on the game and mechanics. Wizardry 7? Still fun. Wizardry literally anything else? Dog shit.
Old games that don’t respect the players time. Dragon Quest 7 ps1 is just too fucking long for its own good. The 3ds one is still long for sure but doesn’t feel like as much of a slog.
I do find it harder to find the patience for NES and older titles whose only merit was their difficulty to try to pad out the play time.
I’m married with a family now. Any game I can play that has save states or quick suspend/resume is a god send.
Old games that don’t respect the players time. Dragon Quest 7 ps1 is just too fucking long for its own good. The 3ds one is still long for sure but doesn’t feel like as much of a slog.
I do find it harder to find the patience for NES and older titles whose only merit was their difficulty to try to pad out the play time.
I’m married with a family now. Any game I can play that has save states or quick suspend/resume is a god send.
rodrigolfp
Gamepads 4 Life
Then why did you use the word timeless? Thanks for proving our point.
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MidGenRefresh
Member
What point. You don’t have a point. “You can’t aim up or down so the game is not fun”. Is that your “point”?
I used timeless because that’s what DOOM’s gameplay is. It was fun in 1993 and it is still fun today.
rodrigolfp
Gamepads 4 Life
By your logic everything is timeless if I am having fun.
synchronicity
Member
I still play tons of ancient games. I have no issue with any games age - if I like it, I like it.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Of course, however doesn't change that it limits the gameplay dynamics vs most other first person shooters - not that hard to understand.
MidGenRefresh
Member
Does it make it not fun to play? (hint: no) Too old to play? (hint: of course no) Isn't it that's what the thread is about? So either get back on topic or GTFO.
Super Mario World is still one of the best platformers ever made. Hell, Nintendo to this day makes 2D Mario games. I wonder why are they doing it? 2D "limits the gameplay dynamics" so why would they do it?
I know what game I will be replying in few years. And it's not going to be Killzone Shadowfall. It will be original DOOM with its "limited gameplay", lol.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Does it make it not fun to play? (hint: no) Too old to play? (hint: of course no) Isn't it that's what the thread is about? So either get back on topic or GTFO.
Super Mario World is still one of the best platformers ever made. Hell, Nintendo to this day makes 2D Mario games. I wonder why are they doing it? 2D "limits the gameplay dynamics" so why would they do it?
I know what game I will be replying in few years. And it's not going to be Killzone Shadowfall. It will be original DOOM with its "limited gameplay", lol.
Your post is rediculous on so many levels. My responses are a direct reply to the thread topic, you disagree with what I said so I'm so supposed to gtfo? Beyond silly.
Never once said it wasn't still fun to play, or that I didn't like it. I said it doesn't measure up to modern fps in terms of raw gameplay, and that's true.
As far as super mario goes, I agree, it's still a blast to play and does in fact hold up well.
I won't play killzone either. But I would play doom 2016 or doom eternal over many times before I play doom because they are much better.
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I went decades making clean breaks when new consoles dropped. Things have changed a lot though. Clean breaks are definitely over. Now it seems I play mostly PS5 versions, with a couple PS4 games mixed in from time to time. And I'm still open for occasional doses of pure nostalgia on occasion. Short of nostalgia reasons, last gen is as far back as I will be going.
MidGenRefresh
Member
You are entitled to your (
) opinion, like here:My problem is that when asked why all you have to say is:
Yes, DOOM is missing modern day mechanics (thanks God) or 3rd dimension. Does it make it "not great to play"? Nope. Just like in case of SMW and dozens of other classic 2D games. They are still extremely enjoyable. There are entire communities dedicated to OG DOOM (I recommend you this YouTube channel, educate yourself). I wonder how many there are dedicated to Doom 2016. My guess is exactly 0.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
You are entitled to your (
My problem is that when asked why all you have to say is:
Yes, DOOM is missing modern day mechanics (thanks God) or 3rd dimension. Does it make it "not great to play"? Nope. Just like in case of SMW and dozens of other classic 2D games. They are still extremely enjoyable. There are entire communities dedicated to OG DOOM (I recommend you this YouTube channel, educate yourself). I wonder how many there are dedicated to Doom 2016. My guess is exactly 0.
We get it, you love the og doom. Some games hold up, others don't, they aren't directly tied to your self esteem, you know?
No need to lay an egg.
The game is just ok by today's standards, but you can continue living in 1993 if you want.
I'm not required to write an essay to you substantiating my opinion, don't have that kind of time. Plus you wouldn't agree even if I did.
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MidGenRefresh
Member
No, I wouldn't agree with you. Hard to treat seriously someone who has no clue. Even harder with someone who's blatantly lying.
Have a good day, sir.
paprikastaude
Member
I would say anything before NES, but admittedly I haven't given much this old a chance.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I still enjoy Adventure on Atari 2600. Mode 3 - full kingdom with random object placement is super challenging and plays well. Missle Command, Asteroids, Centipede, Tempest all still hold up well to me and I still enjoy playing them.
Graphics are nice in modern games but there's a lot to be said for gameplay that holds up for decades.
Graphics are nice in modern games but there's a lot to be said for gameplay that holds up for decades.
MasterDerico
Member
Never!
What we love never gets old.
What we love never gets old.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Lol, so a person who has a different opinion than you is a liar and no clue? What a closed off world you live in. And your seriously in the wrong forums if you can't handle a different opinion.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
My arbitrary line in the sand is 7 years before I was born.
anothertech
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German Hops
Gold Member
I can't do Atari, man.
Gambit2483
Member
Outside of strategy, puzzle and sports...
It has to at least have some semblance of a (good) story and/or kick ass gameplay mechanics, otherwise age doesn't matter
It has to at least have some semblance of a (good) story and/or kick ass gameplay mechanics, otherwise age doesn't matter
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hououinkyouma00
Member
I started gaming around the late 90s. My first console was a PS1 though I also played PC games during that period.
Honestly anything prior to the 5th gen outside of JRPGs aren’t really fun for the most part for me. There’s exceptions of course.
Honestly anything prior to the 5th gen outside of JRPGs aren’t really fun for the most part for me. There’s exceptions of course.
Neff
Member
If we're talking home consoles, then yeah, the 2600 is my breaking point. While interesting and important for the time, the games hold no enjoyment for me due to being so visually and mechanically basic. Atari had some fine arcade titles though.
gamerEMdoc
Neo Member
For me I'd say PS3/360 era is about as far back as I'd go for most things. The graphics are just so dated when you go back to the PS2/Xbox era, I just can't deal with how basic the visuals are. It's crazy to me how big of a jump there were between those generations. The original halo which looks horrible now and TLOU were one generation apart. Crazy how far generations changed things in those days, compared to the difference in the PS4/5 generations where the leaps just aren't seemingly that big visually.
fart town usa
Member
I too have never been able to get into Deus Ex and I think the first time I played it was 2004, it felt archaic back then even.
I'm also a complete dumbass when it comes to how certain PC games play and control. It was probably 75% me, 25% the game.
Same applies to System Shock 1 & 2, just can't get into it.
I'm also a complete dumbass when it comes to how certain PC games play and control. It was probably 75% me, 25% the game.
Same applies to System Shock 1 & 2, just can't get into it.
daveonezero
Gold Member
Yeah I don’t think Deus Ex ever had amazing feel to the combat.
It was always more of an rpg where you happened to be shooting. Stats and tactics and choices were what make is fun.
It was always more of an rpg where you happened to be shooting. Stats and tactics and choices were what make is fun.
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lachesis
Gold Member
It’s actually the other way around for me… that sometimes I feel too old for the game and it’s intended audience. Old games and new games, and anything in between. No country for old man, indeed.
But on to the main point - my threshhold os 8bit and before. I used to love and still love old games, but I don’t play them till ending like I used to do. I get the quick fix, and move on for a good while.
But on to the main point - my threshhold os 8bit and before. I used to love and still love old games, but I don’t play them till ending like I used to do. I get the quick fix, and move on for a good while.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Banned
It just has to be good. It may be great to look at or great to play but it just has to have that "it" feeling when playing or sharing.
DaGwaphics
Member
Agreed.
I have a hard time playing 3D games I have no prior experience with that were released before the PS360 era (PS1/DC/OG Xbox/PS2). If it's a game that I have some nostalgia for, something I played a lot at the time, it's completely different and I can go back and play those for hours.
The weirdest thing is I can go back even further to 2D and I can enjoy games I had not played.
Any old school 3d game with no 2nd analog stick to control the camera. I remember trying to play some of the game sthat came with the ps mini like twisted metal, jumping flash, etc. Having to press a button to rotate the camera left and right was utter shit, dont know how i did it when i was a kid.
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MidGenRefresh
Member
I don't know why I'm wasting time on you. On page 4 you said:
And on page 5 you said:
So which one is it? Seriously, don't even bother replying. Bye.
anthony2690
Banned
I wouldn't say there is a point age wise.
It's more the case how the games have aged.
It's more the case how the games have aged.
_Idea_of_Evil_
Member
Ehhhh. I mostly agree with all who've said if a game is good, it's always good.
I played the original FFVII, Xenogears, and Chrono Trigger for the first time during peak COVID lockdowns and they were incredible. If anything, the quality of the games despite their age made them blow my mind even more. And while I do enjoy classic DOOMs and DOOM 3, I can't get enough of 2016 and Eternal to go back and play the older titles.
I played the original FFVII, Xenogears, and Chrono Trigger for the first time during peak COVID lockdowns and they were incredible. If anything, the quality of the games despite their age made them blow my mind even more. And while I do enjoy classic DOOMs and DOOM 3, I can't get enough of 2016 and Eternal to go back and play the older titles.
jayj
Member
I find NES games and anything older to be hard to go back to. I enjoy checking them out sometimes, to see more simple takes on games and where we came from, but anything pre-90's just feels too "before my time" for me to have any real nostalgia and there was also a big shift in the quality of games from the 90's on. Like if you see how these old NES games were on AVGN so many of them had janky design or just straight up stupid cryptic stuff going on. Feels like games got a lot easier to enjoy later.