Sure lets resort to personal attacks because I just plain disagree with you.Wow, you really are invested in Nvidia.
Sure, let's completely ignore that AMD (and Intel) have to cram their iGPUs onto the same die as the CPU. Let's ignore how little power iGPUs use. Let's ignore that the entire point of iGPUs is to be 'good enough for most people'. Let's ignore that dGPUs get their own section of devices for cooling (often with separate cooling these days). Let's ignore that the additional cost of APUs over CPUs is tiny compared to a dGPU. Do you know what there are for people who want to try and play at/near max settings? dGPUs.
Nvidia (and AMD, and in the future Intel) all have greater power and heat envelopes for their dGPUs as they aren't next to the CPU/APU.
You come across as very dishonest. You know that iGPUs and dGPUs are different things and why both continue to exist. Well, perhaps you don't and are an idiot, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you obtuse.
I don't know what planet you are on, but I suggest you come back to Earth.
Am I invested in Nvidia? Remind me again, how many options are out there that advertise products for gaming?
Oh that's right two. So if AMD is fucking over its customer base I have one reference point of competition to point to. Suuure that is being dishonest.
- Does Nvidia whack off 50% of their TDP envelope to fit a enthusiast class GPU into a mobile footprint and TDP envelope? Sure do.
- Did AMD shrink their nodes form 7nm to 6nm freeing more overhead for thermal footprint. Sure did.
- Does AMD have a 16 CU desktop card that they KNOW they could fit into an APU and offer 1080p/60 gaming without a cheap shot to their customers? Do they instead choose to offer it as a desktop discrete GPU for $200 instead of losing profit by pairing it with a Ryzen inside a single option? Sure do.
- Could they reduce the overhead from 8c to 6c on the CPU side to make room for more GPU cores? Sure could.
- Do morons such as yourself resort to personal attacks because information is one click away, and instead don't want to double check their history / benchmarks of AMD's historically abysmal gaming performance in their APUS. Sure do.
- Who is being dishonest here? Is AMD being continually dishonest by marketing these APUs as gaming capable when they barely break 20fps at 1080p in everything but esports titles? They sure as fuck are.
Intel is no less to blame whenever they try to slap gaming capable marketing shit on their APUs because they can get to a menu screen of a game but nothing they have would be called gaming capable.
But shit here you go a competent review of an AMD APU at the high end from last generation.
Looks like AMD is stuck in 2015 when it comes to APU gaming performance. Never mind the games that can run on a tablet such as R6 and Fortnite. GTAV and Cyberpunk really tell you just how much gaming performance these supposed gaming APUs have. Now figure in the 65% uplift to RDNA2 and you are still at the performance level of a dGPU from 2015. THIS is where I get my whole argument that AMD is holding back and milking a market devoid of any real competition, just like Intel did for 10 goddamn years before they got their comeupins in 2017. But hey,