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[Senua]

Holy shit, that's actually an amazing middle-end offering. Well done, AMD.

Middle end!?!?!

 

[Rentahamster]

From what I can tell, it's a nice value, but will probably fall short of the 4090 in pure top performance, but that doesn't really matter for people looking for a reasonable price/performance card at the high end. Good showing.

 

[GHG]

Because everyone loves marketing charts:

 

[thuGG_pl]

The 4090 isn't in danger. There's a reason AMD called the 7900 XTX the best GPU "under $1000". The 4080 though is even more of a farce than it already was.

They didn't imply that. They said, the best GPU -- under 1000.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

According to the Hamersnexua video, AMD did some tricky math on the 8k being misleading as it wasn't a true 8k being an ultra wide 2160p resolution. The same thing Nvidia did with the 3090 and they got roasted for.

 

[Kazekage1981]

I think they will be pretty much on par with 4090 performance with 3-D V-cache RDNA 3 early next year. These 2 cards seem like appetizers, and you are waiting for the main course to come....

 

[ShadowLag]

Damn, that is a LOT of Gamecubes

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Because everyone loves marketing charts:

Ray tracing at playable framerates: meh, not all games support it. Who cares.

Buying a new DP 2.1 monitor so you can play in 4K 700 FPS with low settings: the killer app!

 

[GHG]

I think they will be pretty much on par with 4090 performance with 3-D V-cache RDNA 3 early next year. These 2 cards seem like appetizers, and you are waiting for the main course to come....

Yep there's still room for another card in the product stack if the rumours are to be believed (which they should be because they were spot on for the 2 cards announced today).

They are probably waiting to see what Nvidia do next year with any potential 4080 ti or even a 4090 ti before making their move. With their current product stack they have all bases covered so they can sit back and wait.

 

[01011001]

AMD really was basically forced to price their cards below 1000 bucks.

they are ridiculous in terms of raster performance at that price for sure, but their raytracing literally became worse comparatively... they didn't even keep the performance delta vs Nvidia the same, they lost ground with this generation.

the XTX is a solid card tho, due to the amount of CUs basically brute forcing current games that support Raytracing to be in a relatively decent spot in terms of performance.

the power consumption and card size also help the card.

all in all, the cards are disappointing in terms of technology, but surprisingly good in terms of pricing and power consumption.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Middle end!?!?!

If you consider 4090 high-end then this is middle-end.

 

[benno]

I see, he's not running everything at ultra. I'm running mostly extreme settings. Appreciate the link. I'd like to see how similar rigs run it at extreme. I also don't run RT since it's redundant right now. The DLSS update should be interesting to the game.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I'm sold. My next card

To Nvidia I say this

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

As a 4090 owner, this is great news. If these perform like it seems they do, Nvidia is getting some real competition this time around. Fantastic news for PC owners.

 

[DenchDeckard]

$900 as middle-end… feels bad man. What has PC gaming become.

same world as £500 consoles and £550 console VR headsets.

 

[SABRE220]

AMD really was basically forced to price their cards below 1000 bucks.

they are ridiculous in terms of raster performance at that price for sure, but their raytracing literally became worse comparatively... they didn't even keep the performance delta vs Nvidia the same, they lost ground with this generation.

the XTX is a solid card tho, due to the amount of CUs basically brute forcing current games that support Raytracing to be in a relatively decent sport in terms of performance.

the power consumption and card size also help the card.

all in all, the cards are disappointing in terms of technology, but surprisingly good in terms of pricing and power consumption.

Were there any improvements in terms of efficiency over their rdna2 in terms of their RT performance per core? They claim this is their next gen RT pipeline but from the numbers RT seems inferior to even the 3xxx series.

 

[M1chl]

mmmh ofc we have to wait for reviews, but it kinda looks like the 4080 is fucked at first glance.

lol no

 

[Draugoth]

With a card costing much less, consuming much less power and being much smaller? I highly doubt that t o be honest. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Just saw the benchmarks and specs, sadly it wont be good as the 4090, but it should give the 4080 a run for it's money

 

[Fredrik]

Ray tracing at playable framerates: meh, not all games support it. Who cares.

Buying a new DP 2.1 monitor so you can play in 4K 700 FPS with low settings: the killer app!

Lol he did say it was marketing charts
Didn’t Nvidia do something silly with the graphs too, only showing an easily missed thin line for AMD charts? It’s always this way. Reviews will show the real benchmark results.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

According to the Gamersnexus video, AMD did some tricky math on the 8k being misleading as it wasn't a true 8k being an ultra wide 2160p resolution. The same thing Nvidia did with the 3090 and they got

 

[BattleScar]

Just saw the benchmarks and specs, sadly it wont be good as the 4090, but it should give the 4080 a run for it's money

At the 4080's price, the 7900 series is unequivocally better value.

 

[SolidQ]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-re...tuf-series-with-triple-8-pin-power-connectors
Seems reference models like ECO mode, AIB's will push 400-450watt, which maybe will give like 15% additional

 

[Silver Wattle]

Very good pricing, makes the 4080 look even worse than it already did.

The power and clocks on these cards look very conservative, suspiciously conservative.
I can easily foresee a 450W 7950XTX 3D clocked closer to 3Ghz.

Great day for everyone not emotionally invested into NVIDIA.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

AMD to nVidia

 

[Fredrik]

As a 4090 owner, this is great news. If these perform like it seems they do, Nvidia is getting some real competition this time around. Fantastic news for PC owners.

Yup AMD will sort out this pricing craziness, Nvidia will need to go low with the ”4080” and next gen things have hopefully stabilized to sane levels for everyone again. I could even see Nvidia lower the price on 4090. Depends on the review benchmarks.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I see, interesting. We still have differing settings as I'm running 4xMSAA too.

 

[Guilhermegrg]

I'll still cruise with my RX 580 in 2023 but its good to see all this progress. We need a 150 USD card with PS5 performance at the low end. Its time.

RX480 here

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm sold. My next card

To Nvidia I say this

Yup just be in the same area code as the 4090 and

 

[SantaC]

If you consider 4090 high-end then this is middle-end.

5-10% slower isnt going from high end to middle end you dofus.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

5-10% slower isnt going from high end to middle end you dofus.

Show me the benchmarks.

 

[chromhound]

 

[01011001]

Were there any improvements in terms of efficiency over their rdna2 in terms of their RT performance per core? They claim this is their next gen RT pipeline but from the numbers RT seems inferior to even the 3xxx series.

the RT improvements are 1.5x faster than RDNA2, that's not much... and yeah it seems like slower than RTX30.

the price of the cards is saving them tho as the sheer amount of RT accelerators in the 7900XTX amd 7900XT should be enough for decent performance over all

 

[Celcius]

I hope all of these high VRAM cards last gen and this gen lead to higher res textures for PC games

 

[SantaC]

Show me the benchmarks.

You can do the math from the slides...someone aleady did. 7900XTX came up 3-10% slower depending on title

 

[OZ9000]

Show me the benchmarks.

COD MW2 4K

4090 = 139 fps
7900 XTX (1.5 x 6950 XT) = 133 fps
6950 XT = 89 FPS

Watch Dog Legion 4K
4090 = 105 FPS
7900 XTX = 96 FPS

Cyberpunk 2077 4K
4090 = 71.2 FPS
7900 XTX = 66.3 FPS

 

[SABRE220]

the RT improvements are 1.5x faster than RDNA2, that's not much... and yeah it seems like slower than RTX30.

the price of the cards is saving them tho as the sheer amount of RT accelerators in the 7900XTX amd 7900XT should be enough for decent performance over all

Well thats rather disappointing was hoping for atleast a slight improvement over 3090ti in RT since all next gen engines are moving to RT pipelines. I don't see AMD gaining any real market share from nvidia considering the people spending 1000$ on gpu's arent going to care for weak excuses for why RT isnt important.

Even intel was competitive with 3xxx series at the same card tier at their first damn try with terrible drivers...

 

[GHG]

COD MW2 @ 4K

4090 = 139 fps
7900 XTX (1.5 x 6950 XT) = 133 fps
6950 XT = 89 FPS

It makes me laugh that so many people forget the 6950 XT was the best performing card in a lot of titles last gen. It's like the ray tracing performance overshadowed everything.

 

[SolidQ]

4090 = 139 fps
7900 XTX (1.5 x 6950 XT) = 133 fps
6950 XT = 89 FPS

Watch Dog Legion @ 4K
4090 = 105 FPS

More interesting when aib will show 400W+ cards and more clocked

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Here’s 6950XT ray tracing #s.

AMD’s slides showed 47%-84% improvement so that would put it around 22.2 - 27.8 fps on this chart. So roughly around 3090 Ti ray tracing performance.

That seems pretty decent for a $1000 GPU.

 

[64bitmodels]

yamaci17 thoughts?

 

[GHG]

Here’s 6950XT ray tracing #s.

AMD’s slides showed 47%-84% improvement so that would put it around 22.2 - 27.8 fps on this chart. So roughly around 3090 Ti ray tracing performance.

That seems pretty decent for a $1000 GPU.

Yep, should make most ray tracing titles actually playable on AMD cards now, even more so if the game also supports FSR 2.0 or above.

 

[octiny]

Just some maths via TechPowerUp 4090 FE review (includes 6950 XT founders)

1.6x 6950 XT Doom Eternal 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 138fps vs 128fps 3090 Ti

7% faster than 3090 Ti RT (TPU benchmark removed for 4090 )

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1.5x 6950 XT Metro Exodus 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 69fps vs 72 fps 3090 Ti.

4% slower than 3090 Ti RT (55% slower than 4090)

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1.5x 6950 XT Resident Evil Village 4K RT puts the 7900 XTX @ 126 fps vs 102fps 3090 Ti

21% faster than 3090 Ti RT (35% slower than 4090)

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1.7x 6950 XT CP2077 4K rasterization puts the 7900 XTX @ 66fps vs 72fps 4090

8.5% slower than 4090 (33% faster than 3090 Ti)

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1.5x 6950 XT Watch Dogs Legion 4K rasterization puts 7900 XTX @ 96fps vs 105fps 4090

9% slower than 4090 (34% faster than 3090 Ti)

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That said, amazing price for the 7900 XTX @ $999. Meh, for the price of the 7900 XT. $100 for the upgrade is a no brainer. 4080 16gb @ $1199 is a tough sell at this point. Already was beforehand considering how insultingly neutered to the 4090 it is.

Looking forward to seeing how far I can push the 7900 XTX past a 4090 in raster w/ MPT.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Ffs, there's me all in on the founders edition 4090 but this card got me thinking about going with AMD for the first time in 15 years....I need real benchmarks ASAP.

Hopefully my 4090 doesn't become available before reviews. When's the embargo up?

 

[The Fartist]

So, uh, anyone wanna buy my 3070?

 

[GHG]

From reddit:

So much for "mid range".

 

[RoboFu]

I’ll pay 1k for that.

 

[AGRacing]

I think most expected a larger claimed increase in ray tracing performance...

But you can't criticize that flagship price in this market.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

$1000 for a card that is very likely competitive with the 4090 at rasterization on slightly faster at RT than a 3090 Ti.

Seems like a win to me, a big win.

 

[VN1X]

Does this mean the 6800 XT will be affordable now? I only care about 1440p gaming at high framerates.

 

[Elios83]

AMD did the right choice here, these cards are by far the best deal with an excellent price/performance ratio.
1000$ just for a GPU is still a lot but at least it's reasonable for the high end market.
nVidia and their greedy CEO will finally get some competition, it's going to get more difficult for them to get rid of the 3000 series stock as well.