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Actor Philip Seymour Hoffman found dead in Manhattan apartment.

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Arrogant Bastard said:
Gotta love all the judgmental freaks out there. Obviously it is so fucking easy to kick an addiction, especially opiates. You have no idea what that drug does to the body/mind of someone who has used it. It consumes your every waking moment, to make matters worse we as a society have convinced ourselves that opiates are not that dangerous. After all, they are prescribed by doctors. The majority of people who die from opiate addiction got their start in a doctors office. They got their start because of a surgery or illness. Then they started consuming more and more, eventually moving onto higher doses and finally turning to heroin.

I hope the individuals in this thread who are saying horribly insensitive things never have their lives or the lives of their loved ones destroyed because of an addiction that starts with a trip to the doctors office.
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I think people judge the fact that you first take opiates to begin with. But sometimes you have no choice. Plenty of people have to take opiates for an injury. What they don't realize is the absolute hold it can have on you after getting off it. As I said earlier, it's not just physical. It plagues your mind and drops you to your deepest despair. You will lose all will to live. You have no motivation, and every day is a private hell. You could be a person that is always happy and has never been depressed. It will take you through the ringer and make you feel and think things you would never imagine.

So people cave in and take more because they don't think they can survive it. In their current mind set they think it's permanent and they will always feel that way. Even someone logical who is self aware and knows the withdrawal is causing these feelings, and is temporary if you wait it out, even that person will find themselves wrestling with their own thoughts. Giving in to the thoughts and emotions.

I'm not going to debate drug use, and how people feel about those that get hooked. I've never abused drugs myself, or been depressed to the point of seeking them out (or felt the need to use drugs for thrills). But the actual effect it has on you after you stop using is immense. And addiction is another complex matter all together (as I said, staying sober for years doesn't mean a person can't be susceptible to relapsing).
 
No no no.

Please tell me this is a joke. This is a Joaquin like hoax for a PTA movie, right?

:(

(heart or drugs or both, but I never took him for a drug guy)
 
Fuck this news.

Yesterday it was between PSH and Joaquin Phoenix as best living actor.

R.I.P. So many good memories. Blown away by his performances every single time.

Lest we forget Owning Mahowny
 
Azula said:
I think people judge the fact that you first take opiates to begin with. But sometimes you have no choice. Plenty of people have to take opiates for an injury. What they don't realize is the absolute hold it has in you after getting off it. As I said earlier, it's not just physical. It plagues your mind and drops you to your deepest despair. You will lose all will to live. You have no motivation, and every day is a private hell. You could be a person that is always happy and has never been depressed. It will take you through the ringer and make you feel and think things you would never imagine.

So people cave in and take more because they don't think they can survive it. In their current mind set they think it's permanent and they will always feel that way. Even someone logical who is self aware and knows the withdrawal is causing these feelings, and is temporary if you wait it out, even that person will find themselves wrestling with their own thoughts. Giving in to the thoughts and emotions.
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Yeah, getting off my pain meds for my double knee replacement was an extremely difficult thing, and that was only after like 3 weeks or so. The addictive power of opiates is insane. Also something that really can't be adequately explained to people who have never had to deal with it.
 
There are still plenty of great American actors working today.

Casey Affleck,
Matt Damon,
Stanley Tucci,
Mark Ruffalo,
Sam Rockwell

list goes on.

None of them are as good as PSH, but, it's not like we've got a dearth of talent or anything.
 
The Culture Vulture said:
Thankfully I don't. I assume he knew he had a problem and had money to seek help. It's sad what happened but friends and family have a right to be angry over the choices made by the deceased.
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You admit you have no idea how addiction works but you're going to judge the guy based on your own admittedly flawed understanding? That seems inconsistent at best, outright malicious at worst
 
I would say THE actor of his generation without hesitation. As someone said upthread, his looks were the only thing that held him back. That's ok, though, because he brought so much in supporting roles, in addition to some great lead performances.

It sounds like he was in a bad place. Most people have a time in their life like that, and regardless of the contributing factors, many of us are fortunate to overcome and make it through to better times. I am tremendously sad that Philip did not, and he will be missed. RIP.
 
Azula said:
I think people judge the fact that you first take opiates to begin with. But sometimes you have no choice. Plenty of people have to take opiates for an injury. What they don't realize is the absolute hold it has in you after getting off it. As I said earlier, it's not just physical. It plagues your mind and drops you to your deepest despair. You will lose all will to live. You have no motivation, and every day is a private hell. You could be a person that is always happy and has never been depressed. It will take you through the ringer and make you feel and think things you would never imagine.
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A doctors pen is how I started opiates, I'm sure it is that way for the overwhelming majority of individuals who start opiates. It was prescribed, I was in pain and the doctor was all to happy to prescribe. I'm not trying to blame doctors, but there needs to be a shit ton more education out there for people. People who have never personally used opiates have zero idea what it does to the human body. I'm just glad I did not have the means to obtain heroin. Which is part of these situations.

A normal individual normally does not have the ability to easily obtain higher and higher doses of opiates. Nor do they have the immediate means to obtain heroin. People like PSH have those means. It is easy to say someone with money shouldn't be dying from opiate addiction, but honestly it is much much worse. Money, status, etc. makes addiction much worse.
 
Wow. He had a presence onscreen that was truly unmatched. I had looked forward to a long and exceptional career for him.

R.I.P.
 
The only role I can remember him in was the villian of Mission Impossible III, specifically the bathroom scene where he's telling the guard to GTFO.

RIP
 
Allegedly clean for 20+ years until 2012 makes this even sadder. Had apparently attempted rehab in May to keep the wolves at bay.

Opiates are serious shit.
 
StopMakingSense said:
Yeah, getting off my pain meds for my double knee replacement was an extremely difficult thing, and that was only after like 3 weeks or so. The addictive power of opiates is insane. Also something that really can't be adequately explained to people who have never had to deal with it.
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Yep. I had a really bad injury and I was on pain meds for 3 months. I would take the absolute minimal and would never go above 1 a day (I'd even force myself to go days in pain just to space them out).

Even then, after being absolutely cautious and paranoid. When I finally got off them, I went through absolute hell for 12 days. The mental toll it took on me was something I'd never experienced. It was enough of a nightmare that it scared me off for life. Obviously if I'm in surgery or in critical condition. But I'd rather deal with the pain then go through that it again.

I can't even imagine what it's like for those that abuse it and use it heavily. It's scary to me, that my experience was so bad given how cautious I was. And how little I took ( I say little in comparison to the amount a drug abuser takes).

Arrogant Bastard said:
A doctors pen is how I started opiates, I'm sure it is that way for the overwhelming majority of individuals who start opiates. It was prescribed, I was in pain and the doctor was all to happy to prescribe. I'm not trying to blame doctors, but there needs to be a shit ton more education out there for people. People who have never personally used opiates have zero idea what it does to the human body. I'm just glad I did not have the means to obtain heroin. Which is part of these situations.

A normal individual normally does not have the ability to easily obtain higher and higher doses of opiates. Nor do they have the immediate means to obtain heroin. People like PSH have those means. It is easy to say someone with money shouldn't be dying from opiate addiction, but honestly it is much much worse. Money, status, etc. makes addiction much worse.
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Some doctors are way too loose with what they prescribe. In hindsight I do think that I needed the medication for my injury. But I also think there were alternatives. And I think because my doctors couldn't figure out what my injury was ( initially ), they figured they'd just deal with the pain and have me wait it out. Thankfully my injury did in fact heal. But it scares me that doctors will default to this instead of putting in more work. I had to do research myself and figure out my own injury (and how to cure it).

This was years ago for me. But I'll never forget what it mentally felt like getting off it. It was hell. Simple as that. And so I empathize.
 
This sucks. I don't understand why this keeps happening. So many talented people.

PSH is easily one of my favourite actors. I can't remember a roll he played that he didn't nail. More tragic though is that now his kids have no father.
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
There are still plenty of great American actors working today.

Casey Affleck,
Matt Damon,
Stanley Tucci,
Mark Ruffalo,
Sam Rockwell

list goes on.

None of them are as good as PSH, but, it's not like we've got a dearth of talent or anything.
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Really nice list. Those are all great actors.
 
Don't know what to say, really. Such a big, valuable part of American film over the past few decades.
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
There are still plenty of great American actors working today.

Casey Affleck,
Matt Damon,
Stanley Tucci,
Mark Ruffalo,
Sam Rockwell

list goes on.

None of them are as good as PSH, but, it's not like we've got a dearth of talent or anything.
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I know you made this post with good intentions, but the fact you chose to mention the people you did, for me, just highlights the general mediocrity of Hollywood actors.
PSH was probably better than all of them put together.
 
Secret_Riddle said:
...Who the fuck moves on to heroin, though? Seriously, I know lots of people that do lots of drugs. I'd say a couple of them might even have addiction problems (especially with prescription pills), but they all know never to touch heroin. The prospect is so stupid, that it's almost a joke.

His death is sad, and as a film fan I'll really miss his work, but the heroin bit is the only thing that sort of leaves me saying wtf? No, that doesn't mean I think he's an idiot.
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You'd be surprised. The crackdown on prescription drug abuse has moved a lot of those users to heroin, it's become a huge problem lately.
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
There are still plenty of great American actors working today.

Casey Affleck,
Matt Damon,
Stanley Tucci,
Mark Ruffalo,
Sam Rockwell

list goes on.

None of them are as good as PSH, but, it's not like we've got a dearth of talent or anything.
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i hope you are joking...
 
Man, hard to believe the first movie I remember seeing him in was TWISTER!

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Blader said:
You'd be surprised. The crackdown on prescription drug abuse has moved a lot of those users to heroin, it's become a huge problem lately.
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Yah, I have no real knowledge or expertise in this area (beyond personal anecdotes). I just find it upsetting.
 
RIP

Thought one of his more underrated roles he ever played was in The Incredible Mr. Ripley. One of the most believable complete-asshole characters, ever.
 
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