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Doctor Who: Time Of The Doctor |OT| 11's hour is over now... The clock is striking 12
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Quick Mustard
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Loads. It's a mixed bag though.
aHebrewMenagerie
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FRANK, i didn't know you visited whogaf?
It's true though, they can be hit and miss. Usually miss for me.
Who people forget also played Doctor Who.
I used to be in a Doctor Who fan club that met every week in a hotel in Edinburgh. And this was during Peter Davison era. You kids today don't know you're born.
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I found this on Facebook last night.
But respect. I thought I remember you talking about Doctor Who somewhere before Halo 4 came out, actually I think i made a connection when Jess compared you to a Sontaran in a bulletin or something.
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Cushing has those sunken cheeks that make him stand out.
I think one of my favorite jokes in "The Fiveish Doctors" was Barowman making the Peter Cushing joke when someone asks him who his favorite Doctor was.
I think one of my favorite jokes in "The Fiveish Doctors" was Barowman making the Peter Cushing joke when someone asks him who his favorite Doctor was.
I think the root of the problem is that there was just no way they could properly convey the scope of horror and destruction that's implied by something like the Time War "burning the universe across all time and space" in a family-friendly format. They really didn't even try.
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Cause I was killing people and things and seeing horrors for hundreds of years and was then about to commit genocide on two races (one of which was my own), I wouldn't be so jolly.
Also, the feelings/behavior/memories of the 9th doctor should be a continuation from the "War Doctor." Yeah I get that each doctor behaves in his own way, etc., but clearly #9 was traumatized by the actions of the War Doctor, but the War Doctor wasn't?
The implication is that his grave on Trenzalore no longer exists and was erased when the Time Lords intervened.
What I meant was, if Moffat wanted Hurt to be angry like Nine was, he would have written the War Doctor as an angrier character. Slotting Eccleston into that role wouldn't make a difference if that wasn't what Moffat was going for.
I thought the War Doctor's characterization was one of the better surprises of the 50th, actually. I liked that he wasn't an angry, sadistic, killer but was really just sad and tired and wanted the whole thing to be over already.
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and what I meant was, I closed my eyes and imagined if Eccleston literally read the same lines as Hurt did as the angry-9th doctor. It puts things in an entirely different light:
- The monologue when he was bringing the Moment to the cabin would have been far more substantial with Eccleston. He had plenty of such lecturing examples during his tenure. Hurt's version was more of a reading ...
- The way he shooes the Moment from the cabin before he realizes who she is ala 9th shooes Rose early on
- The "you're me?" moment would have worked better because Eccleston was nothing like Tennant and Smith in terms of behavior. The contrast would have been a lot more believable. Hurt was too much like a jolly old doctor.
p.s., since I'm American and had never heard of Hurt before the special, I'm probably being more critical of his performance than most
Mutanthands
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He was burnt out and weary. Numbed by all the death and destruction. I could see it.
Tizoc
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I accidentally wrote 'all of us' in my post so I'm fixing it now.
Eh well whatevs, the final scenes with 11 are the saddest I've been since 9 and 10's regeneration T^T
How many months til I can see Capallidi's awesomeness as The Doctor?
August/September, though there's a rumor that they may try to get the first episode out as an Easter special. No idea how credible that is though.
At the BFI screening where they were celebrating 11's era someone asked Moffat that same question, and he didn't really give an answer. He mentioned that they didn't even start filming yet, but at the same time he also said that he obviously can't answer rumours like that. That's not a no.
My guess: they might be looking into the possibility of airing an earlier special, but it'll be difficult, and nothing is set in stone right now.
I agree. It was cheesy and weird even for Doctor Who standards. I'm not the biggest DW fan, but I enjoy watching it. This one didn't do anything for me.
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aHebrewMenagerie
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Nick Hurran needs to direct every episode of Who, ever.
Whoa. But technically this isn't official canon?
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I can see it being played angrier like you preferred, but I think it also works the way they did it. The whole point is that he isn't yet the man who committed the genocide of two races, he's the man contemplating that act. He's beaten down by his own failures and what they've driven him to consider. He's in a state of grief, plenty of time for anger later.
And you don't have to be British to have seen Hurt's work. He's certainly done his fair share of work in Hollywood.
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I hope so. Doctor Who is the reason for every season.
funkystudent
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I am digging Capallidi's crazy eyes.
At the very least he is going to be awesome at looking at people and things
At the very least he is going to be awesome at looking at people and things
First thing that came to mind when I watched the episode:
Tom Baker was the king of creepy stares.
I'm expecting a mix between 1, 4, and 5. Based purely on appearance obviously, so who knows.
So nobody agrees?
If there is one thing I hate more than children it's children.
aHebrewMenagerie
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It's almost impossible to have a strongly-written child part.
paradox121
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You know, as much as there's been some justifiable complaining about Clara's character I think seeing her interaction with Capaldi is one of the things I'm most looking forward to next year.
It's almost like setting the writers a challenge of not just having her give the Doctor doe eyes and having the Doctor respond with a hug. Capaldi doesn't seem like a hugger. In some ways that introductory episode will not only have to prove why they cast Capaldi (which shouldn't be too hard) but also has to show why his particular Doctor would keep Clara around. And just seeing the two of them together should be quite sweet. I can see her taking more of an Ace role with a student-teacher vibe.
It's actually fascinating how a cross-Doctor companion subtly changes their own character to match the Doctor. I think that's probably why a lot of people, myself included, find S1 Rose fine and S2 Rose near insufferable.
It's almost like setting the writers a challenge of not just having her give the Doctor doe eyes and having the Doctor respond with a hug. Capaldi doesn't seem like a hugger. In some ways that introductory episode will not only have to prove why they cast Capaldi (which shouldn't be too hard) but also has to show why his particular Doctor would keep Clara around. And just seeing the two of them together should be quite sweet. I can see her taking more of an Ace role with a student-teacher vibe.
It's actually fascinating how a cross-Doctor companion subtly changes their own character to match the Doctor. I think that's probably why a lot of people, myself included, find S1 Rose fine and S2 Rose near insufferable.
It could be a teenager than.
Well it won't be a normal child, but a couple hundred year old Time Lord that happens to look like a child.
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Even in Series 2, Rose is alright early on. The shift for her comes after Mickey is gone - from The Idiots Lantern on they're overconfident, rude, borderline flippant about the gift the TARDIS gives them, and insufferable. They were on their way to that as early as Boom Town - where they end up is the natural conclusion of their "and off we go! Adventures in Time! Woo! And Space!" in that episode, where they're high fiving and dancing around the TARDIS - all three of them - and Mickey goes, "My god, have you seen yourselves?"
That's all by design, of course. I guess that had been set in stone early on; they wanted a prettier Doctor, they wanted it to become a love affair and then rip them apart painfully, and the groundwork to begin that was in place a few stories before the change to Tennant, really.
I mention this as I'm really curious where the Clara stuff will go, as she's been if anything more familiar and girlfriend-y in the last two episodes (there's something bizarrely close about that final scene with him in Day of the Doctor for instance), but I wonder if that'll continue or be sharply dropped, with Moffat only doing it to squeeze that particular lemon dry before Matt went?
An interesting side note - Blink was based off a story that appeared in a 2006 Doctor Who annual for kids. In that, Sally Sparrow was 8. Moffat did interviews at the time and said to Doctor Who confidential "Kids like watching older kids and adults. They don't necessarily like watching kids their own age. In fact, they very often don't at all." And I think he's right! Besides, there's still thirty-some years between Georgia Moffet & Capaldi. Capaldi is only two or three years younger than her real dad, so I'm sure those two could have a very believable father/daughter relationship if they ever bring her back, which I think they should.
thequickandthedead
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Wait, so did they retcon that line in SJA where 11th says he can regenerate as many times as he wants?
He was lying.
Rule #1: The Doctor lies.
paradox121
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I wholeheartedly agree with all that stuff, particularly the Rose comments. But as you say, the idea of Clara fancying the Doctor was definitely laid on thickly in this episode and the last couple. I get the feeling Clara's mostly being used as the audience surrogate for those who are primarily used to a young, fanciable Doctor (which to be fair has been the standard for 8 years now). I think to some degree there will be some heavy underlining of the fact that this is the same, adventurous, mad guy just in a slightly older body come episode 1. And having Clara there should help articulate those feelings, particularly if we're led to believe that she developed a crush on 11. Plus if it helps separate her out from him, and if it makes her actively disagree with 12 on issues, all the better.
i think some of it is but i can't remember what
regardless, if timelord reproduction ever gets brought up in the show, it should be the loom interpretation because the timelords really need to be a bit more... alien
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Thankfully the show pissed the idea of looms off when it showed a young Master in series 3.
No, she's just an excuse for Moffat to keep writing River now that she's had her goodbye. There's no actual link between the characters.
He's in one of the most iconic scenes in cinema history which I'd be amazed if you've never seen it.
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He's not really an actor you'd only see on British TV.
He also went out of his way to make the conditions that would lead to him dealing with it, including inventing a whole new Doctor and making Handy an official regeneration when he wasn't considered one before. I suspect if we hadn't had the Hurt Doctor he'd have somehow tied it in to the ways he and River have exchanged regeneration energy instead.
oh fucksakes, forgot about that
it's a real shame the best stuff happening with the doctor who universe generally goes on outside the show
The looms didn't create 'adult' sized beings though, AFAIK. They were still children sized, physically.
8th had a northern companion, Lucy Miller. Obviously there's the War Doctor between them now but still.
It's definitely my headcanon that 11 regenerated into someone with a Scottish accent because of Amy.
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