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Doctor Who: Time Of The Doctor |OT| 11's hour is over now... The clock is striking 12

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Capaldi actually looks pretty good in 11's clothes. Surely they'll have to spill his costume soon, right? Otherwise we'd get it out of set leaks.

His hair kind of reminds me of the 3rd Doctor.

Quick Mustard said:
Ah just think, this time next year we'll all be discussing Peter Capaldi's first Christmas Episode.
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Directed by Peter Jackson, hopefully.
 
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I liked the Christmas Episode, Smith got a really nice send-off [although I hope Capaldi will not use this type of screaming speeches when confronting random alien armadas, we got enough of that].

Pre-regeneration speech was fucking awesome. He went happy into 12th regeneration, much better than crying Tennant.
 
Jexhius said:
Yeah well hmm you see time stuff and well seasons also River in Library skeleton backwards spoilers and then Amy but before that there was a war and a giant Tardis but Clara and then an evil intelligence also snow but luckily that all got sorted however Silents and stuff. Let's not forget cracks and Roman boyfriends also the universe exploded but it's okay now because something Blue.
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Sounds like anime.
 
RedShift said:
Don't speak too soon, he could pull an Ecclestone.
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He's signed a deal for 13 episodes, and rumours suggest Series 8 is only 12 episodes to avoid a double-bank (a Doctor-lite, ala Love & Monsters/Blink/Turn Left/The Girl Who Waited), so he'll very likely be in the role next Christmas at least!
 
Did the truth field break because he lied to that kid? "I have a plan."

Regarding the episode
shite across the board. Nothing - as always - felt earned. I expected no less.
 
Much as I liked it, the more I think & read about it the more I think this episode is the firm signal it's time for Moffat to do one and move on. He's good, but change is good.
 
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Clara and Rose LIVE ON THE SAME ESTATE CLARA IS ROSE

There's probably only one filming-friendly council estate in Cardiff.

(And I say "filming friendly", but this is an estate I believe where a woman famously walked through the shot shouting "Piss off, BBC gay-lovers" and let her dog piss on the TARDIS during The End of Time filming!
 
APZonerunner said:
Much as I liked it, the more I think & read about it the more I think this episode is the firm signal it's time for Moffat to do one and move on. He's good, but change is good.
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I just feel personally with Moff that I can't get excited about any of his season long stories or recurring arcs or motifs as S5/S6 and now S7 wrap up 'reveal' episodes have been seriously disappointing narratively (not a reflection of Smiths good work)

'But its the journey' many will say. To that I would agree - but Moff throughout S5-S7 has placed waaaaay to much emphasis on the cracks/exploding tardis/trenzalore/the silence/the fake out death of the Doctor in S6 as part OF that journey. These mysteries drove the plot of many, many episodes so I'm sorry but their resolution DOES matter.

Moff is an extremely talented writer but as showrunner on a project the size of Who, I think he's spinning more plates than he can handle.
 
Perhaps I'm easily pleased, but I was satisfied with the answers to long lingering questions in this episode. In fact I'm surprised they were even tackled at all, so props to Moffat for delivering the answers in a way I enjoyed.

I was rewatching Silence in the Library the other day and Tennant says at the end something to the effect of "There's only one reason I would ever say my name... there's only one time I could". Considering River knows his name by the end of season 7 I'm guessing that we'll never learn how/why that could be?

GentlemanCrow said:
Did the truth field break because he lied to that kid? "I have a plan."
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Hah, good catch.
 
I really think in writing school rule #1 for students should be 'Never introduce the notion that a character/characters can't lie because you will trip up, no matter what'.
 
APZonerunner said:
Much as I liked it, the more I think & read about it the more I think this episode is the firm signal it's time for Moffat to do one and move on. He's good, but change is good.
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I find that this episode is getting mixed reactions but to call him to leave for that is interesting because for the 50th episode people the reactions were great and people wouldn't be saying that.

Whoever the next lead writer is its just going to be fights on people claiming that RTD or Moffat episodes were better. Its just doctor who fans just have different ideas on who the character should be because he has been around for the longest time.

So him leaving is not going to solve anything. Also, he doing something right because the show is catching fire right now in America.
 
Liked the episode, a very touching send-off for Matt (but thankfully not a soul-crushing one like Tennant's). I was surprised by how abrupt Capaldi's appearance was. My mom's first reaction to seeing him: "Ugh!" :lol

I'll have to give it some more time to sink in, but I felt it was better paced than Moffat's other finales - which I guess says more about his writing than anything else. The answers were nice, but there was clearly no reason for them to be kept secret for so long.

Even with the (off-hand) answers though, there was still a healthy amount of character moments, emotional beats, and nice music. Yeah it was a bit rushed, but everything from Clara's final return to the ending was pitch perfect - and for a regeneration story, that's all I really care about.

All in all, I enjoyed it. Sad to see Matt go but it was a (mostly) well-done ending and I'll be interested to see where we go next.

RedShift said:
I'd like to extend a big FUCK YOU to Fiktion for posting 11's last words in this thread a couple of days ago and then getting mad when people asked him not to.

Seriously what the fuck.
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Co-signed. Posting untagged spoilers is annoying enough, but shitting on people for getting upset about it and even claiming that they're wrong is the icing on the Fuck You cake.
 
GentlemanCrow said:
Did the truth field break because he lied to that kid? "I have a plan."

Regarding the episode
shite across the board. Nothing - as always - felt earned. I expected no less.
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I'm going with the theory its possible his plan was to die, technically not lieing, technically not saving them.

(It's all I've got)
 
DrForester said:
As nice as the speech was, I would have preferred him to have showing up as Capaldi when Clara entered the TARDIS. That ending at the top of the tower would have been great.

Bit with Amy was nice, but didn't really ad anything.

Clara not wanting this Doctor didn't really sit well with me since she has actually interacted with ALL the Doctor's past selves and knows it's not the end.
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Clara fancies Eleven though. She knows the Doctor will live on, but not as her Doctor.
 
Blader said:
Clara fancies Eleven though. She knows the Doctor will live on, but not as her Doctor.
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Euggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh. Either have an unprecedented daddy issues crush on Capaldi or scrap it. Either will be refreshing, I've hated the nonsense a Doctor crush brings post-Rose. They handled it sort of well with Amy, Clara it just feels like they did it because they could. I was hoping for a Donna type character.
 
RedShift said:
There's one other most people here will hate:
in the Name of the Doctor the post Library River sticks around after Clara, who she was mentally linked with, is gone. When the Doctor asks why she says 'spoilers'.
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I always thought the implication there was just that if River is still there, Clara must be alive and have survived the jump into the timestream.
 
Blader said:
I always thought the implication there was just that if River is still there, Clara must be alive and have survived the jump into the timestream.
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That's not implied, it's just what that was. River will come back, but she's not linked with Clara. Enough, I think, with assuming Moffatt is clever enough to pull something that subtle and clever off.

The cracks explanation is kind of bogus; you fixed these incredibly detrimental and destructive cracks in time, but some just still kinda exist as "scars". Makes very little sense.
 
somedevil said:
I find that this episode is getting mixed reactions but to call him to leave for that is interesting because for the 50th episode people the reactions were great and people wouldn't be saying that.

Whoever the next lead writer is its just going to be fights on people claiming that RTD or Moffat episodes were better. Its just doctor who fans just have different ideas on who the character should be because he has been around for the longest time.

So him leaving is not going to solve anything. Also, he doing something right because the show is catching fire right now in America.
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Well, people have been saying it for 18 months now and the voices seem to be getting louder. The 50th was great, but in this year, for instance, it's the outlier in a sea of mediocrity, I think. Clever ideas, but I feel like he's burned out, a lot like RTD in the back end, really. I felt it was too soon when people were calling for it in the middle of Series 6, but with a new Doctor I increasingly am beginning to feel the show is ready for a tonal shift. About four years - maybe five - is about right for one tone and one vision, and just as with the Doctor himself, the talent at the top should change to keep that fresh. It's not a shitty Moffat/RTD war thing, it's just about when the right time is for one set of ideas to be expired and the next to be explored.
 
I feel like if the 50th didn't have the novelty factor & John Hurt & David Tennant we'd be poking equally large holes in it. It's certainly the best episode of 2013, arguably the best episode of Doctor Who since 2010, but it has the same Moffat attitude to plot that is basically "Fuck it, I'll get to it later, if at all"
 
Blader said:
I always thought the implication there was just that if River is still there, Clara must be alive and have survived the jump into the timestream.
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Oh was that it? That's a bit disappointing I guess.

I still think the Library won't be River's final death. In fact, if the Doctor can get more regenerations, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she did too.
 
Wow, that wasn't even bad. It was fucking nothing.

RedShift said:
I still think the Library won't be River's final death. In fact, if the Doctor can get more regenerations, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she did too.
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The whole point of the death at the library was that it was something that couldn't be regenerated from. It'd fry you right up before you could. Doesn't matter if she has one or one hundred.
 
I actually quite liked this episode. I wouldn't put it in the 'great' tier, but it was certainly a good episode and among the best of season 7's second half. Almost all the plot lines were resolved with answers that made at least a reasonable degree of sense, Matt Smith got an incredibly good send-off that was an excellent tribute to his character and much better than what Tennant got lumped with, Clara actually got a few character scenes (!), the regeneration was handled nicely - I loved the speed of it, etc. The episode really needed another 30 minutes just to relax and be itself, but I still rate it quite well.

That said, I agree it's time for Moffat to leave. This episode, really, was a tribute to Moffat just as much as it was to Smith. It was an encapsulation of the way he runs the show, and an example of it at it's best, but it's also clear we've seen the depths available to him and we've reached the end of them. I think he's been great, and delivered us the best season since the reboot with 5, but it's time for new blood.
 
It's funny I always start watching the show and thinking this is great and then there's a moment where it's like "oh yeah, this is kind of corny and not very good" that breaks the immersion.

I can't be the only one that hates the Dalek design though? I understand they're like the originals but they look like such a goofy relic that doesnt belong on the show
 
So if I've got it right, this is the timeline for the Silence:

-starts out as the Church of the Papal Mainframe, Silents are genetically engineered priests

-they pick up the "Doctor Who?" signal from Trenzalore and seal the planet off before anyone else can investigate

-Doctor goes down to the planet, war on Trenzalore wages for the next 300 years, church renames itself Church of the Silence in line with their new belief of ensuring silence will/must fall on Trenzalore

-Kovarian's group breaks off from the church, blows up the TARDIS at an earlier point in the Doctor's timeline in an attempt to kill him, inadvertently create the very cracks that started the war

-Failing that, Kovarian's group kidnaps Melody, raises her as their assassin to try and kill the pre-Trenzalore Doctor again --> basically S6 happens here

-Back on Trenzalore, Tasha and the church are killed and replaced by Daleks, war wages for another x00 years, everyone dies, Doctor regenerates, hearts break
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Some of this episode was really really bad.

Loved the Clara/Doctor moments, but the rest was not very good at all. Loved the ending to bits, though.

Sad to see another Martha situation where she's madly in love with him, but he's like "let's just move on, shall we..." ha
 
Best episode in a long while.Smith was given a emotional exit and i loved the quick regeneration.I can't wait for Capaldi in the next series.
 
The snippet of 13's theme sounded pretty good.

I also have hopes that Clara plays a more prominent role in the Doctor's life now that we have a new one. I agree with the sentiment that she's a hang over from Amy. But new Doctor new rules.

Matt Smith was incredible as the Doctor. Sad to see him go, but I have high hopes for Capaldi.
 
The Dalek design is like the spirit of the whole show: Ridiculous and campy on its own, but in context - and after some warming up - it completely works.
 
KingKong said:
It's funny I always start watching the show and thinking this is great and then there's a moment where it's like "oh yeah, this is kind of corny and not very good" that breaks the immersion.

I can't be the only one that hates the Dalek design though? I understand they're like the originals but they look like such a goofy relic that doesnt belong on the show
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They're badly misused. The Dalek from "Dalek" in S1 was actually pretty intimidating regardless of the design because of the portrayal. Unfortunately, Daleks suffer from a chronic case of the inverse ninja rule.
 
Blader said:
The Dalek design is like the spirit of the whole show: Ridiculous and campy on its own, but in context - and after some warming up - it completely works.
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After having been up close to one I can confirm they're strangely unnerving in person. For most Doctor Who villains its the opposite- the Silence, for instance, on TV are a lot scarier than when you see their rubbery selves in real life. But I think it's hard to see just how tank like the Daleks actually are. And they're such a beautifully unique, alien design.
 
I liked it, it answered most of the questions from past seasons which in hindsight now seem small in scope and simplistic in context.
 
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