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Doctor Who: Time Of The Doctor |OT| 11's hour is over now... The clock is striking 12

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I did not foresee this problem when picking this name.
This is indeed an interesting turn of events...

From this moment forward, you shall be known as Fiction Proper and you shall be Fiktion with a K.

Oh god really? Fuck that's .... well not exactly not good but it could end very badly. Only signing Eccleston to one was a terrible mistake. Much as I love him as the Doctor (he's my favourite of the new lot) I wish they'd taken on someone more committed instead.
Eh, no. Eccleston hated working on the show. Locking him into a longer contract would have resulted in a lot of mediocre performance from him. Plus it was a reboot that they were unsure would work so they wanted to start small in case they needed to change it later. I believe Eccleston was brought in to grab a specific audience and get people to watch. Once they had people hooked, it was okay to change actors when they needed to. I'm sure Capaldi will stick around if people love him enough. A short contract doesn't mean it can't be extended later.
 
Somebody spoke to me this morning (as the most invested Who fan they know) about their desire for Phil Glenister to be The Master opposite Capaldi. He'd, er... be bloody good, I think. I like this idea.
 
Oh god really? Fuck that's .... well not exactly not good but it could end very badly. Only signing Eccleston to one was a terrible mistake. Much as I love him as the Doctor (he's my favourite of the new lot) I wish they'd taken on someone more committed instead.

my biggest worry isn't necessarily him bailing after a year, its more that he is an in-demand actor, and they might piss about with the scheduling (again) to work around his other commitments or in order to keep him in the role past that first year.
 
I have to say I'm a little disappointed that Matt's finale
is so big. Considering Moffat kept hitting the reset button on the Doctor's reputation (making everyone think he's dead, having Clara erase him from the Dalek memory banks), suddenly everyone in the universe knows who he is again and is coming to kill him all at the same time? What happened to making the Doctor a 'small deal'?

My favourite 11 moments have all been small scale, like him talking to Amy in the garden in The Eleventh Hour and telling Amy to stop trusting him in The God Complex. I'm not sure I want my last memory of him to be effing and blinding on top of a hill while the entire universe is throwing rocks at him.

Also re: Capaldi for a year:

I think it could work. Another short regeneration to set a new tone for the show and cleanse the palate after Matt, Moffat out at the end, new showrunner, new Doctor.
 
Somebody spoke to me this morning (as the most invested Who fan they know) about their desire for Phil Glenister to be The Master opposite Capaldi. He'd, er... be bloody good, I think. I like this idea.

Yep Phil would be a good choice, I thought of him too. It's him or John Hanna.
 
I think a Master now should be young like Matt was, cool counter to the new Doctor being the oldest in a while.

Someone like Robert Sheenan.
 
Yep Phil would be a good choice, I thought of him too. It's him or John Hanna.

Well, they've had Sam Tyler, it only makes sense...

I like the idea of Phil because if he played it with a similar sort of rough and tumble Northerner quality to Gene Hunt he could actually basically be the Master's equivalent of the 9th Doctor, which would be cool.
 
Sort of looking forward to this, Eleventh Doctor's run started out so fucking fantastic but has been such a mess for the majority of the episodes, hopefully Moffat can end on a high note.
 
Just picked up the latest Doctor Who Magazine which has some interesting quotes and one from The Time of The Doctor.

Obviously only read if you want, not a massive spoiler, but still interesting.

Clara: "But you dont die, you change... you pop right back with a new face."
The Doctor: "Not forever, I can change 12 times. 13 versions of me. 13 silly Doctors."
Clara: "But your number eleven, so-"
The Doctor: "Are we forgetting Captain Grumpy? I didn't call myself the Doctor during the Time War, but it was still a regeneration."

The magazine goes on to mention that we've seen Hurt have a long life between eight and nine and on top of that Tennant used a regeneration in Journey's End. Which means Matt Smith really is body number 13.

Moffatt also says this regarding Capaldi:
"Sometimes if you want to increase the tension, the only thing you can do is to get the Doctor out of the way". "I've just done that in Peter Capaldi's first one. I just realised that there's no way you can make the scene interesting while the Doctor was in it."

The magazine itself is filled with lovely articles on Matt and the 11th Doctors reign as well as 50th stuff, Well worth a pick up.


Mark Gatiss also tweeted earlier that the soundtrack to An Adventure in Space and Time is going to be released!
 
I notice in the pictures that the Silence have ditched the era-appropriate shirt-and-tie from The Impossible Astronaut and are now rocking a rather hipster-looking black turtleneck, which I can't help but find slightly hilarious.
 
Just picked up the latest Doctor Who Magazine which has some interesting quotes and one from The Time of The Doctor.

Obviously only read if you want, not a massive spoiler, but still interesting.

Clara: "But you dont die, you change... you pop right back with a new face."
The Doctor: "Not forever, I can change 12 times. 13 versions of me. 13 silly Doctors."
Clara: "But your number eleven, so-"
The Doctor: "Are we forgetting Captain Grumpy? I didn't call myself the Doctor during the Time War, but it was still a regeneration."

The magazine goes on to mention that we've seen Hurt have a long life between eight and nine and on top of that Tennant used a regeneration in Journey's End. Which means Matt Smith really is body number 13.

Moffatt also says this regarding Capaldi:
"Sometimes if you want to increase the tension, the only thing you can do is to get the Doctor out of the way". "I've just done that in Peter Capaldi's first one. I just realised that there's no way you can make the scene interesting while the Doctor was in it."

The magazine itself is filled with lovely articles on Matt and the 11th Doctors reign as well as 50th stuff, Well worth a pick up.


Mark Gatiss also tweeted earlier that the soundtrack to An Adventure in Space and Time is going to be released!

That dialogue seems unusually awful. Moffat's usually decent at that, even if he's lost the ability to string a coherently plotted storyline together.
 
I notice in the pictures that the Silence have ditched the era-appropriate shirt-and-tie from The Impossible Astronaut and are now rocking a rather hipster-looking black turtleneck, which I can't help but find slightly hilarious.

You can't fault them for being stylish. Kinda wish they'd gone for a nice white tux for Christmas, but doing up a tie with those fingers has gotta be a bitch.
 
Did they ever release a soundtrack with the current opening theme? I like it quite a bit, that extra bit of oomph at the beginning.
 
Did they ever release a soundtrack with the current opening theme? I like it quite a bit, that extra bit of oomph at the beginning.

Not yet :/

Its probably something to do with rights to it, but I'm hoping it comes with the probably 50th and Christmas soundtrack in the new year.
 
Since this is apparently the Doctor Who thread of the moment, let's talk about

The Aztecs

SPOILERS TO FOLLOW

I decided to start watching some classic Who, despite the terrible selection available on streaming services. This episode is the only Hartnell serial available on Amazon Prime, and I believe Hulu Plus as well.

The Tardis materializes in the past, inside an Aztec burial chamber, during a time when the Aztec empire was still alive, well, and engaging in human sacrifice. They find a stone door in the wall, and Barbara walks out (followed later by the others) to find herself surrounded by Aztec priests. There they mistake her for a reincarnated priest/goddess, since the burial chamber door can only be opened from the inside. Whoops.

So now the team is stuck in ancient Aztec society, with Barbara impersonating Yetaxa and everyone else trying to figure out a way to get past the stone door and back to the Tardis while reporting back to "Yetaxa" as her "servants". The Doctor is sent to the gardens with the old people, where he has a sweet little friendship/romance with a nice Aztec woman named Cameca; Ian has a violent rivalry with Ixta, the chief warrior; Susan does basically nothing except learn in the seminary and become a damsel in distress.

The main meat of the story from a character perspective is Barbara's attempt to change history and the ultimate fate of the Aztec empire by abolishing human sacrifice, in direct opposition to the Doctor's advice not to muck up the timeline. This brings her into conflict with Tloxtl the High Priest of Sacrifice, the big bad of the story, and his ally Ixta. The story basically becomes Tloxtl's attempts to undermine/kill "Yetaxa" and her servants, while Barbara tries to use her connection with Autloc, the High Priest of Knowledge, to change Aztec society.

She fails. Spectacularly.

There are pretty good plot twists, a lot of plans being made by our heroes and the villains, and everyone (except Susan) gets their turn to look smart or badass. Barbara plays the part of the priest/goddess well, acting as though she is totally in command, even though she's frustrated at every turn by her inability to change things. The Doctor sweet talks Cameca into finding out more about how the temple is built, so he can figure out a way back into the burial chamber. At one point, he decides to have a cup of cocoa or something with her, not knowing it means "I want to marry you."

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Ian and Ixta immediately dislike each other, and have smaller arguments and physical confrontations all through the serial, leading to a tense showdown moment at the end where Ian and Ixta square off and fight each other at the top of a pyramid. The leadup to the fight is particularly good, as Ian (now wearing a guard's uniform with an eagle-looking helmet) stands silently at the top waiting for Ixta (in Jaguar gear) to climb the steps; Ixta reaches the top and they just look at each other silently for a moment, staring each other down before they both remove their cloaks and bring weapon and shield to bear. I really appreciate that neither of them has anything left to say, and they both know it.

The fight ends when Ian fucking murders Ixta by throwing him off the pyramid. We even get a nice shot of his corpse on the ground.

Classic Who don't give a FUCK.

The episode ends with the good guys losing, basically. They manage to escape to the Tardis, but the Priest of Knowledge has exiled himself to the wilderness after a crisis of faith, leaving the Priest of Sacrifice in charge. The last we see him, he's shouting to the gods during an eclipse while performing yet another human sacrifice. Barbara is saddened by her inability to change the past, while the Doctor tells her it has to be that way.

Surprisingly good serial I wasn't expecting much from. It makes me kind of wish we had some more historical episodes in nuWho, where the problem wasn't some sci-fi wibbly wobbliness, but the Doctor and his companion going through some standard adventuring in history.
 
During his introduction ceremony Capaldi did the Hartnell lapel hold, I wonder if he's going to incorporate that into his Doctor.
 
If you guys remember that dude who made that fake 50th trailer a couple months ago, he's back and he made a Sherlock and Doctor Who crossover and it is FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC.

WHOLOCK

I always thought it was a waste that Moffat showed no interest in a Sherlock vs Doctor Who special. It's the one good thing that could come out of having his attention divided.
 
People are going to see that and think it's real. It's cool, it sort of works in the way you'd want it to. I mean there's bits where it hits a bit uncanny valley, but yeah, that was definitely something, I don't think I have all the words for it yet, might take a while. Hmm.
 
If you guys remember that dude who made that fake 50th trailer a couple months ago, he's back and he made a Sherlock and Doctor Who crossover and it is FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC.

WHOLOCK

Holy shit, you can see the tricks in the tradis conversation, but its amazingly well done for one fan, better than some of the CGI in Doctor Who at least.
Really, really well done.
 
Somebody spoke to me this morning (as the most invested Who fan they know) about their desire for Phil Glenister to be The Master opposite Capaldi. He'd, er... be bloody good, I think. I like this idea.

He would definitely be great in the role, and would probably work wonderful opposite Capaldi.

Surprisingly good serial I wasn't expecting much from. It makes me kind of wish we had some more historical episodes in nuWho, where the problem wasn't some sci-fi wibbly wobbliness, but the Doctor and his companion going through some standard adventuring in history.

The Aztecs is a true classic; I really love the whole story and it does a great job at really fleshing the characters out in the early going of the show. All three of Lucarotti's stories are great, which is why I'd really like to see the other two turn up in the next batch of recoveries like they're rumored to.

And I agree about missing the pure historicals from the early seasons (essentially abandoned early in Season 4). Some sci-fi historicals can be nice from time to time, but I really love the majority of the early season historical stories, and they allow for a lot of interesting moments with the characters.
 
Ugh, it wouldn't be the same with Capaldi and Cumberbatch. I really wanted to see Matt Smith and Benedict play off each other. It would be hilarious.
 
Ugh, it wouldn't be the same with Capaldi and Cumberbatch. I really wanted to see Matt Smith and Benedict play off each other. It would be hilarious.
They could easily bring Smith back for it while Capaldi is doing the regular series. Hell, bring Karen back too. She'd pair better with Watson. Gingers.
 
The Aztecs is a true classic; I really love the whole story and it does a great job at really fleshing the characters out in the early going of the show. All three of Lucarotti's stories are great, which is why I'd really like to see the other two turn up in the next batch of recoveries like they're rumored to.

And I agree about missing the pure historicals from the early seasons (essentially abandoned early in Season 4). Some sci-fi historicals can be nice from time to time, but I really love the majority of the early season historical stories, and they allow for a lot of interesting moments with the characters.

What are his other two stories?
 
The Aztecs is a true classic; I really love the whole story and it does a great job at really fleshing the characters out in the early going of the show. All three of Lucarotti's stories are great, which is why I'd really like to see the other two turn up in the next batch of recoveries like they're rumored to.

And I agree about missing the pure historicals from the early seasons (essentially abandoned early in Season 4). Some sci-fi historicals can be nice from time to time, but I really love the majority of the early season historical stories, and they allow for a lot of interesting moments with the characters.

I enjoyed the Aztecs too, TV from that era tends to be quite slow by our standards but it raised some nice ideas about the consequences of time travel, modern vs historical morality and how religious belief affects reality. Even by today's standards, I think Hartnell is a great Doctor, already more clearly defined in the broad strokes of the character he would become than the 'bash a caveman's head in' version from his first serial (which, the magnificent Unearthly Child aside, is pretty dreadful). I really, really enjoyed The Daleks (serial) as well, it's no surprise they went on to become such a phenomenon with just the right blend of creepy and ridiculous that sadly veered much too strongly in the latter direction as the series went on.
 
What are his other two stories?

Marco Polo and The Massacre, both of which sadly have no episodes around right now (but rumors are abound about both).

Marco Polo was the first real historical of the series, and it was just a wonderful travelogue focused on character development over the entire story. The Massacre was a dark character piece from the third season involving the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre from 1572. That story actually makes The Aztecs looks like a lighthearted romp by comparison, especially at the very end.
 
If you guys remember that dude who made that fake 50th trailer a couple months ago, he's back and he made a Sherlock and Doctor Who crossover and it is FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC.

WHOLOCK

Who is the wizard making these fan trailers? This is incredible editing. I love Sherlock's question. "Where are we?" Loved his TARDIS CG to. This dude needs to be working on Doctor Who somehow.
 
Can't wait.

Speaking about Christmas, I recently realized I was feeling ambivalent about gifting a Doctor Who DVD set to a kid I know (must be about 10 years old). He's seen a few episodes and liked it, but did admit he was feeling pretty scared at times (which is par for the course, of course). But the more I thought about it, the more I felt like a few episodes from Moffat's run where pretty grim and adult-themed (The Girl Who Waited, and most episodes about Amy's abduction). Then again I might be forgetting about the lighter moments and focusing too much on the darker themes.
 
Can't wait.

Speaking about Christmas, I recently realized I was feeling ambivalent about gifting a Doctor Who DVD set to a kid I know (must be about 10 years old). He's seen a few episodes and liked it, but did admit he was feeling pretty scared at times (which is par for the course, of course). But the more I thought about it, the more I felt like a few episodes from Moffat's run where pretty grim and adult-themed (The Girl Who Waited, and most episodes about Amy's abduction). Then again I might be forgetting about the lighter moments and focusing too much on the darker themes.

Eccleston's year remains the best balanced between scariness and more tongue in cheek stuff IMO, although RTD's era is more child-friendly in general. Matt's first year is comfortably the best in that regard under Moffat's stewardship.
 
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