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Doctor Who: Time Of The Doctor |OT| 11's hour is over now... The clock is striking 12

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I have nothing to add except that I hope Mos Def becomes the next Doctor. Dude killed it in Hitchhikers.

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Is that a problem with the Doctor or the Companion, though? Rose & Donna admittedly both had the "empty lives" thing going on, but those two were at least believable, real-feeling woman who I think were actually both fantastic role models for young girls. The thing about Rose is while she might have had that boring no-life council estate and chips life, that life has more in common with the average British young woman than not, really.

And Martha's fantastic for that - there's the icky unrequited love thing, but she's a go-getter, a career woman, and the glue that holds her family together. Amy and Clara have been a bt more blank, but that's been bloody discussed to death.

No doubt the companion relationship needs to change, but I think that's entirely unrelated to the Doctor gender/sexism debate other than the fact that if we actually had stronger and more outstanding female lead characters in Doctor Who there'd probably be a lot less clamouring for a female to be cast as the Doctor. I think a lot of the noise around the latter is a response at least to a certain degree for the former.

Well, I'm not saying the Doctor should be a lady because the companion/Doctor relationship is bad, just that your concern that the companion relationship dynamic might have to change isn't a big deal to me because I think the relationship dynamic needs to change anyway (which you seem to agree with!)

And even if the show had better female characters (and boy, the show should certainly have some more), I'd still want a female Doctor. But I'm not sure I'd want any of the current writers to do it.
 
Apropos of nothing, I'm so glad Matt's going at a different time than Moffat so that Moffat doesn't feel the need to taint his Doctor's leaving with his own emotions about it.
 
The way things are working out I'm probably going to have to wait a day to watch this. I will be dodging spoilers like a motherfucker.
 
Apropos of nothing, I'm so glad Matt's going at a different time than Moffat so that Moffat doesn't feel the need to taint his Doctor's leaving with his own emotions about it.

You just know that when Moffat leaves he's taking Capaldi with him :P

To be fair it's probably nicer to give whoever takes over a clean slate like RTD did.
 
You just know that when Moffat leaves he's taking Capaldi with him :P

To be fair it's probably nicer to give whoever takes over a clean slate like RTD did.

Nah, I think an overlap is better. Much as having a companion along for the regeneration ride is better. And I think there's a very conscious attempt to avoid doing the same Showrunner+Doctor+Companion switch all at once thing that happened at the end of RTD/Tennant's end of tenure. My money's on Moffat leaving at the end of the next season, personally.
 
It won't happen again, at least not with Moffatt. He's said repeatedly how nerve-wracking Series 5 was for him because it was all so new. Don't think he'd be as cruel to do that to the next guy...

... then again, it IS Moffat we're talking about.
 
Nah, I think an overlap is better. Much as having a companion along for the regeneration ride is better. And I think there's a very conscious attempt to avoid doing the same Showrunner+Doctor+Companion switch all at once thing that happened at the end of RTD/Tennant's end of tenure. My money's on Moffat leaving at the end of the next season, personally.

I'd be inclined to agree, but that Moffat ego, though. Part of me believes he'll want to take his Doctors with him and will stick it out until Capaldi is ready to go. More than that, I at least partially believe he might already be gone if it wasn't for the fact he a) likely wanted to be the man to do the 50th, b) wanted to have "as many Doctors" as RTD and c) wanted to be the longest-running new Who showrunner. Those are the kind of numbers he counts! RTD was just a sentimental wet blanket, but Moffat has a big fat ego. Which is worse? We shall see...!
 
Isn't Capaldi only signed on for one year?

He is. Which is weird as Smith & Tennant both signed on 3 year deals with the option of a fourth year (which both of them took, technically, but not 'in full' as they both only did half years with their last year).

If I had to guess, it's either the BBC being nervous about casting an older guy again or Capaldi not wanting to lock himself down too tight because he's frankly more in demand than any actor to play the Doctor since 2005. I imagine he'll still do at least 2 years. He's a fan.
 
All this talk about a female Doctor... I don't know.

I think the Doctor is fairly unique among fictional role models for young boys. Batman or Superman claim to hate violence, and try and shore that claim up by making a half assed attempt to only brutally maim and not kill their enemies. The Doctor does use violence when he has to, but he hates it. He's all about being angry and scared but desperately trying to overcome that and do the right thing.

The only other character I can think of with a similar mindset for young boys to look up to is Aang from The Last Airbender. Who incidentally, now I think of it, has actually regenerated (or reencarnated) into a girl.

Maybe that didn't make much sense. But I think having that character to look up to means a lot to young boys. I think it helped me when I was a gangly nerdy pre teen. I think creating a new female role model character would be better than going FemDoc.

As for a black Doctor, if I could pick anyone to play him it'd be that guy who played the Operative from Serenity. He would be perfect. I guess after 12 Years a Slave he'll be way too famous for it though.
 
All this talk about a female Doctor... I don't know.

I think the Doctor is fairly unique among fictional role models for young boys. Batman or Superman claim to hate violence, and try and shore that claim up by making a half assed attempt to only brutally maim and not kill their enemies. The Doctor does use violence when he has to, but he hates it. He's all about being angry and scared but desperately trying to overcome that and do the right thing.

The only other character I can think of with a similar mindset for young boys to look up to is Aang from The Last Airbender. Who incidentally, now I think of it, has actually regenerated (or reencarnated) into a girl.

Maybe that didn't make much sense. But I think having that character to look up to means a lot to young boys. I think it helped me when I was a gangly nerdy pre teen. I think creating a new female role model character would be better than going FemDoc.

As for a black Doctor, if I could pick anyone to play him it'd be that guy who played the Operative from Serenity. He would be perfect. I guess after 12 Years a Slave he'll be way too famous for it though.
I don't see why young boys can't look up to a female Doctor. The Doctor being male hasn't stopped young girls from admiring him.
 
Watched The Parting Of The Ways ahead of Matt's regeneration. It's such a perfect final episode for Nine, a wonderful showcase for the actor and the character and his relationship with Rose, the woman who salved his survivor's guilt. There are so many of those lovely, insanely broad emotional beats which RTD, despite his innumerable storytelling deficiencies, could hit out of the park every time.

"If you want to remember me, you can do one thing. Just one. Have a good life. Do that for me, Rose. Have a fantastic life."

"I think you need a Doctor."

"And you know what? So was I."

I don't even mind the deus ex machina, vortex-powered Bad Wolf Rose is badass to the point of madness. Also great is how the Daleks are genuinely dangerous and don't hang around instead of killing people. Best regeneration episode of the series, classic and new, for me: Wilf's four knocks for Tennant were moving and powerful, bringing Ten's battle between his ego and his compassion to the perfect conclusion, but 90% of the episode surrounding it was a complete mess.
 
Granted I'm only wrapping up the first season of Smith's run, but every encounter with the Daleks has sucked compared to the final showdown with Eccleston's Doctor.
 
I really think that the Daleks will become inadequate as an enemy with Capaldi's Doctor. Capaldi is about ten times as intimidating as that race can ever be. They need to bring in the Master. Can you imagine Capaldi's fiery Doctor playing off of Cumberbatch's cool Master? Unf.
 
I really think that the Daleks will become inadequate as an enemy with Capaldi's Doctor. Capaldi is about ten times as intimidating as that race can ever be. They need to bring in the Master. Can you imagine Capaldi's fiery Doctor playing off of Cumberbatch's cool Master? Unf.

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Matt is awesome, but at the same time I've never been more excited about a new Doctor. With Tennant and Smith I was nervous.
Its the best part about the show, I'll miss Matt for sure, but I'll enjoy the new one, there hasn't ever been a Doctor I've outright disliked (I can never choose a least favourite tbh). I just want Doctor Who to continue and I'll watch it forever.
 
Its the best part about the show, I'll miss Matt for sure, but I'll enjoy the new one, there hasn't ever been a Doctor I've outright disliked (I can never choose a least favourite tbh). I just want Doctor Who to continue and I'll watch it forever.

Matt will always be remembered for being the Doctor that broke Who in the States.

And while I don't dislike any of the doctors either, I can definitely name my least favorite.
it's Davison, btw
 
Matt will always be remembered for being the Doctor that broke Who in the States.

And while I don't dislike any of the doctors either, I can definitely name my least favorite.
it's Davison, btw
If I was forced to choose a least favourite it would be him, for a long time it was Hartnell, but going back now as an adult I can say I enjoy him a fair bit. Just something about Davison I don't like, I dunno he feels useless at times.

That said I look at all the Doctors as I look at Zelda games, all amazing but any other game series standards, but some just are a step above the rest.
 
So I started watching this (the 2005 Dr. Who, I mean) a couple of weeks ago and am really enjoying it. Too bad it's going to take me quite a while to catch up (I'm at S2-2 right now).

There's no Dr. Who non-spoilers thread, right? I should probably not step into this thread at all, but I had to say I'm really liking the show and can't believe I waited so long to watch it.
 
If I was forced to choose a least favourite it would be him, for a long time it was Hartnell, but going back now as an adult I can say I enjoy him a fair bit. Just something about Davison I don't like, I dunno he feels useless at times.

That said I look at all the Doctors as I look at Zelda games, all amazing but any other game series standards, but some just are a step above the rest.

He was just miscast. He's almost as serious as Pertwee, but without any of the badass and swagger. And I loathe his costume. It's like he's dressed in an early 90's PC case. So beige.
 
I don't think Davison is bad - I think all the Doctor actors were at least decent, regardless of the material they were given - but his Doctor just isn't terribly interesting. There was nothing particularly unusual or unexpected about him, while even Colin Baker had a certain imperiousness and the comparative novelty of being quite unlikeable and inept in many ways. Davison was just, sort of, there.
 
Davison suffers to an extent from following Tom Baker, who had become THE Doctor to many (myself included). In some ways, his blandness marks out his differences from Tom, along with a kinder disposition than Baker showed. He and Colin suffered from the silly costumes, but I find him a fine Doctor. I haven't watched any 5th in a while, I should remedy that...
 
It's an upgrade though.

I don't really view it that way. It's something new from a very high caliber actor, but I'd rank Matt among the top Doctors and we'll see about our newest chap. Can't really say if he's an upgrade or not until he's had some time under his belt to prove it. Often times assumed expectations of lighting in a bottle don't work out like people think they might.
 
Isn't Capaldi only signed on for one year?

Oh god really? Fuck that's .... well not exactly not good but it could end very badly. Only signing Eccleston to one was a terrible mistake. Much as I love him as the Doctor (he's my favourite of the new lot) I wish they'd taken on someone more committed instead.
 
Oh god really? Fuck that's .... well not exactly not good but it could end very badly. Only signing Eccleston to one was a terrible mistake. Much as I love him as the Doctor (he's my favourite of the new lot) I wish they'd taken on someone more committed instead.

Agreed, but if his hearts' not into it than I would rather he leave. It seems that he's still very excited for it, so that's good.

Also, what you're not a mod anymore!? Or did I imagine that?
 
He was just miscast. He's almost as serious as Pertwee, but without any of the badass and swagger. And I loathe his costume. It's like he's dressed in an early 90's PC case. So beige.
Calling me stupid, I actually prefer Colins costume to Peters. And yeah I think thats it, he wants to be serious, but you just can't take him serious, seems like a huge pushover. Would have loved to have seen him as a more darker manipulative Doctor I think.
I don't think Davison is bad - I think all the Doctor actors were at least decent, regardless of the material they were given - but his Doctor just isn't terribly interesting. There was nothing particularly unusual or unexpected about him, while even Colin Baker had a certain imperiousness and the comparative novelty of being quite unlikeable and inept in many ways. Davison was just, sort of, there.
Colin was a good Doctor, just saddled with some of the worst stories ever. Had the writing been up there during his run I think he would have lasted longer. That said I'm glad he ended/forced out when he did because we got McCoy and McCoy was awesome.
 
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