Red Arremer
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To be fair tho, Social Justice Wario is pretty hilarious.
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Twitch vs Speedrun Community Drama (update: Twitch officially responds)
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To be fair tho, Social Justice Wario is pretty hilarious.
The Tofunator
Member
Ah, the [YOUR NAME HERE] the Hedgehog people...
Google your first name and add 'the hedgehog' on the end. Do you get any results?
From what i read they didn't comply.
The first posts were upvoted by multiple new accounts being created from the same IP. So it looks like the posts were removed due to vote manipulating.
The current post is probably manipulated as well but isn't removed to stop the censorship rumors.
The outrage wasn't about the icon itself, but the fact that several streamers are frustrated that their icons aren't being processed in an efficient manner.
Think about it this way. You're waiting in line at McDonalds to get a Big Mac. You've already ordered, but you're waiting for the cook to actually make it. Find out you're waiting with 20 people and instead of getting your Big Mac the cook's making a McRib while out of season for his significant other who's waiting outside.
Oh I understand exactly what are talking about.
The Tofunator
Member
Ustream is another option for PS4. I don't know about Xbone, but I'm guessing it'll have something else too.
that's a little hard to believe since there's a screenshot taken of the twitch admins saying flat out that the r/gaming mods will shut the thread down for them. i find that the most surprising part of this as well.
EdwardTivrusky
Member
God damn, G-Fex. You have said some inaccurate stuff before, but this has got to be one of the worst.
Metalmurphy
Member
You sure that's for gaming?
Hitbox.tv is used for games yes. It isn't solely for that purpose but there it is allowed.
paperboywriter
Member
I dont understand how this is even possible. Thought twitch was a professional service (never really used it much). Why are MS and Sony even use this service under such conditions?!
Starwolf_UK
Member
Does twitch have any corporate sponsors or investors? I know from the Gamespotgate incident that when corporate get involved, heads will roll...so maybe expressing their concerns about who runs the site and how inappropriate they are will get somewhere.
Bit disapointed how it seems most staff members are on side with the power abusing mod. Not sure speedrunners responded in the best way. That aside, twitch chat is basically laggy live youtube comments with silly emoticons.
Bit disapointed how it seems most staff members are on side with the power abusing mod. Not sure speedrunners responded in the best way. That aside, twitch chat is basically laggy live youtube comments with silly emoticons.
Red Arremer
Member
Sony, Microsoft, Take Two, pretty sure they've got deals with Actizzard and Riot too.
I have seen is twitch admins asking the threads to be deleted and a reddit mod even posted that they were asked to do this by twitch. But I haven't seen anything that suggests that they complied with that request.
The vote manipulation explanation seems very reasonable to me given the amount upvotes and attention this incident got. It also seems quite likely that the fans of the twitch users that got banned are angry and will do something like that.
Chris in the screenshot is saying that they will delete the posts because "I know they are reasonable" not because they promised him to do so.
Smokey Mcpot
Banned
This Horror guy reminds me of The Soup Nazi from Seinfeld
I didnt have much faith in Twitch to begin with (EU servers blowing) and this doesnt do it any better
I didnt have much faith in Twitch to begin with (EU servers blowing) and this doesnt do it any better
Metallix87
Member
"Fursona" may be the worst thing I've read this week...
I don't see your point.
Reddit mods said threads were removed due to vote manipulation and you are linking to such a thread.
Red Arremer
Member
How can you tell there is "vote manipulation"?
Someone should ask them if they support underage zoophilia and/or censorship, or something.
Nintendo is suddenly the only non-ew choice. But then they've got all the Sonic stuff now.
nephilimdj
Member
Admins can see see who upvotes items
/r/news admin famously blocked al jazeera for being anti-american like 6months ago, admins on reddit can be shifty.
I can't Reddit admins can (by checking IP addresses, and the user history).
How can you tell there is "censorship"?
The vote manipulation explanation seems reasonable to me and i don't see any reason to believe the censorship theory (it might be true, but i think it is unlikely)
Unrelated:
I found this in the reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1r49at/twitch_admin_bans_speedrunner_for_making_joke/cdjjgzw
It's a response by (probably) a twitch employee.
Higgins113
Banned
Where did they say that?
Red Arremer
Member
How can you tell this is "such a thread" where "vote manipulation happened", as you claim it is?
And how can you call an actual direct quote of a twitch admin saying that they're going to tell the r/gaming mods to censor a "theory"?
rocketskates
Member
YOURE LEO ARENT YOU
hitbox.tv is run by a lot of the guys formerly from own3d.tv.
own3d.tv being the company that went under owing streaming hundreds of thousands of dollars. so no, its not a real alternative. nobody's going to jump on that horse.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
A Gaf user in reddit made a thread, it was deleted and the user banned. The reason it gave identifying info (public Twitch names....). Another that had the names pixelated also dissapeared.
We have a picture proving that Twitch mods actively asked Reddit mods to censhorship all the threads related.
If you want to continue ignoring the dozens of threads deleted in different subreddits and the picture showing the conversation, you're free to do so, but spare us the silly arguments...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1r49at/twitch_admin_bans_speedrunner_for_making_joke/cdjf6bj
Easily.
Chris said he asked them to censor. thats a fact. The censorship theory says that the reddit mods agreed to censor - i see nothing of this sort in the screenshot. I only see Chris admitting he requested, which the reddit admins admitted as well.
Who is that, anyway?
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Two different posts about this on the front page of Reddit right now so I guess they're done trying to censor. Though one of them is tagged as false info.
Why does it matter who created the thread if it got upvoted by new/fake users?
I never disputed that. There is a post by a reddit mod confirming this as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
They later explain that the false info is about the censorship and not the twitch thing:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1r49at/twitch_admin_bans_speedrunner_for_making_joke/cdjg1pg
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'm telling you that wasn't the alluded reason, there was dozen of deleted threads no only in gamig reddit. Twitch reddit also had lots of deleted threads...
This is pretty funny. Twitch can fuck off btw, the thing was crap anyway. From what I've read how Xkeeper_ went out was the best. See here:http://imgur.com/a/5SISd
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
An ex-employee of Justin.tv called Josh.
Maybe I just didn't see enough of what was going on.
From what I have seen it doesn't look like reddit actively censored anything.
I still think reddit was flooded by a lot of fake users/trolls which caused a lot of threads to be deleted.
I really can't see why something like this would draw so much attention on it's own.
As far as I can see what happened was:
Some streamer got his emotes removed due to copyright claims.
Another streamer thought it is not just since Horror has an inappropriate emote as well, which isn't removed since he is a mod. So he decided it would be OK to make fun of Horror by telling a sexist joke (apparently this is considered normal behaviour by twitch users). So he got banned.
Lots of fans decided to defend their favorite streamer by harassing Horror and some got banned as well.
I am not saying that Horror was right or wrong . I don't think it's even relevant. The main issue here is how it was handled by the rest of the twitch staff. Instead of trying to diffuse the situation they let and even encouraged it to escalate.
Edit:
http://i.imgur.com/G1RMsbo.png
ab.aeterno
Member
I keep reading this, but it's literally the first sentences of the OP, and the imgur recap focuses on it as much or more by including fucking cropped porn of the character to incite outrage. Let's stop kidding ourselves that it didn't matter when every summary takes the time to specifically call it out and make it matter. And the reason for that is pretty obvious: focus on the salacious side involving a group everyone hates to build outrage, since most people are probably unfamiliar with anyone involved.
Which is stupid because their argument already has enough merit to stand on its own, and bringing that up only calls into question their motivation for doing so.
Ultra Magnus
Member
Lol dude that is what I'm saying. I'm so confused right now. I have never heard of a fursona before this thread.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
That's not too bad though, fairies and elves are still rather human-ish.
I guess people who wish they were Na'vi belong here?
Of course twitch admins would find a way to butt heads with one of the most harmless groups of people on earth (speedgamers.)
But even dealing with groups that "deserve" some kind of action (FGC), they tend to go about it in the shittiest way and air it out publicly in chats.
they've got that MS and Sony money now, so basically, we're fucked.
But even dealing with groups that "deserve" some kind of action (FGC), they tend to go about it in the shittiest way and air it out publicly in chats.
they've got that MS and Sony money now, so basically, we're fucked.
I don't know furries make it pretty clear that it's a fetish afaik. With otherkin, they actually believe that they are dragons or something like that.
maniac-kun
Member
So when the boyfriend is underage. Does that mean Twitch has a underage admin? If not there is an easy way to get rid of him.
I dunno, I used to see Xkeeper around tasvideos a lot when I went there, and he often came off as a dick (banned a few times if I remember correctly too). Doesn't look like that has changed.
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