http://collider.com/sandman-movie-joseph-gordon-levitt-david-s-goyer/
Goyer might actually get it done considering he has some pull at WB.
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Goyer pitching Sandman film to WB with Joseph Gordon-Levitt
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http://collider.com/sandman-movie-joseph-gordon-levitt-david-s-goyer/
Goyer might actually get it done considering he has some pull at WB.
Prince of Space
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Yay, Sandman!
Boo, Goyer!
Boo, Goyer!
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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JGL as Morpheus? Whoa. Not familiar with Goyer's work but apparently he's terrible?
sixteen-bit
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from batman to sandman
WyndhamPrice
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JGL looks too young (even at 32) and is too short for Morpheus.
I could see him playing Lucifer though.
I've been rereading the comic recently and I think Rupert Friend from Homeland would be awesome:
I could see him playing Lucifer though.
I've been rereading the comic recently and I think Rupert Friend from Homeland would be awesome:
lol perfect
SteveWinwood
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Is Vertigo just a part of DC? There is no separation at all? Just a different label?
Also I have very mixed feelings on this.
If he can go blonde, then sure.
Also I have very mixed feelings on this.
If he can go blonde, then sure.
Ape Gone Insane
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And a lot of bad shit, plus his output of late has been extremely mediocre.
I'd prefer he wasn't attached to Sandman. That said, I'd prefer a HBO Sandman series over a film.
Wow, I agree this would be infinitely cooler.
Hesemonni
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SteveWinwood
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Every comic book adaptation thread turns into everyone wanting an hbo miniseries out of it.
I don't think that HBO is experimental enough nowadays to really pull that off but whatever.
Charmicarmicat
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I think I would actually prefer a film over a TV series. That way it will concentrate on one story, and while it will lose a lot of the comic's richness, that richness is what makes it, IMHO, completely unfilmable. Not least because you would need multiple actors to play Sandman when he appears to different people, while at the same time being the same person.
Yup.
First Walking Dead, Preacher and now Sandman. All are/will be butchered to hell and back.
Pray these bastards never notice BERSERK.
I don't think the Sandman series can be adapted into a movie, or even a series of movies. There's just too much stuff in there to get into. And it's pointless in just adapting the "main" plot as it's the side stories which made the series so memorable. Tbh I don't think it would work as a tv series series either. The Sandman universe is just too out there for an adaptation.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Goyer only wrote the co-wrote the screenplay for Begins - which is funny because that film has the best script by a mile. He got story credit on TDK (Jonah Nolan screenplay) and TDKR (Chris Nolan screenplay).
But the dude also wrote Jumper and Man of Steel. So go figure. Chris Nolan and Goyer working on Begins' screenplay together perhaps served to negate each others' weaknesses as writers by being able to bounce off of one another.
Passive Assassin
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nope.
Murder. She Wrote
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It has to be a television series or mini series. How else would they show the mini stories (like the emperor of America).
Netflix/HBO or death!
Netflix/HBO or death!
Kill it dead, Neil. Don't inflict Goyer on Sandman.
It's a plodding mess with no character arcs for anyone, an utter disregard to what heroism entails, a hilariously braindead take on Pa Kent's moral stance on Clark's powers, a complete lack of understanding of the fact that violence has consequences, no sense of wonder or triumph throughout the film aside from the very brief
, and is overall a dark, unengaging, scattered series-of-events-that-happen script without a single ounce of humanity present in it. And it all comes back to the script, which is where every flaw of the film stems from. Even as a non-Snyder fan, I don't see what else he could have done with it, since you basically know nothing more about anyone in the movie at the end than you did in the beginning. It was doomed the moment they approved Goyer's script.
One of Goyer's trademarks is the lack of thought put into why characters do what they do and what their motivations would be beyond "the plot requires this to happen." The most obvious example of this is probably Blade Trinity (which Goyer also directed), but it's present in nearly everything he writes. I have no proof, but I suspect that one reason The Dark Knight Rises is so uneven compared to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight is because the first two were primarily scripted by Jonah Nolan, while Goyer wrote most of TDKR while Jonah Nolan was busy on Person of Interest.
The fact that this project is even being pitched is some evidence that the first-look deal WB gave Goyer is their graceful way of pulling him off the DC Cinematic Universe films, which is very good for the DCCU, but apparently could have dire consequences for Sandman.
It's a plodding mess with no character arcs for anyone, an utter disregard to what heroism entails, a hilariously braindead take on Pa Kent's moral stance on Clark's powers, a complete lack of understanding of the fact that violence has consequences, no sense of wonder or triumph throughout the film aside from the very brief
learning to fly sequence
One of Goyer's trademarks is the lack of thought put into why characters do what they do and what their motivations would be beyond "the plot requires this to happen." The most obvious example of this is probably Blade Trinity (which Goyer also directed), but it's present in nearly everything he writes. I have no proof, but I suspect that one reason The Dark Knight Rises is so uneven compared to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight is because the first two were primarily scripted by Jonah Nolan, while Goyer wrote most of TDKR while Jonah Nolan was busy on Person of Interest.
The fact that this project is even being pitched is some evidence that the first-look deal WB gave Goyer is their graceful way of pulling him off the DC Cinematic Universe films, which is very good for the DCCU, but apparently could have dire consequences for Sandman.
Bobby Roberts
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Goyer should transition to production. I don't know that his talents as a screenwriter are up to snuff for this. But he has some decent credits as a showrunner/producer.
He's bound to be better at it than Akiva Goldsman.
He's bound to be better at it than Akiva Goldsman.
It's an origin story with barely any story. It's got about an hour too much of pointless explosions and fighting and when it does have moments of character and story progression it's a mixed and muddled mishmash of nonsense. It felt like it wanted to compete with Transformers, not Batman.
In Batman Begins he's just a guy at the start. You learn his past, his reasons to become more, his training, and his transformation into Batman. In Superman his transformation is an info dump for a couple minutes then "Here's your suit, you can do anything, now go" "k".
I've given this a fair bit of thought and come to the conclusion that there's no way Sandman could work as a movie, or even a series of movies. There are too many short stories that are crucial to the overarching plot that would have to be condensed into one storyline for it to work. A TV should would make a lot more sense, but it would have to have a massive budget.
Sir_Crocodile
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Goyer? Would rather it not be made then him be involved.
Considering the last four comic book movies he was involved with made WB 660 million, 1 billion, 1 billion and 450 million respectively it's not hard to see why WB trusts him.
Just imagine how much more would they have made if they got a better writer.
buckfutter
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No to Goyer. No to JGL. No all round.
Extra Sauce
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I blame Christopher Nolan for this.
Femmeworth
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Goyer? Fuck no. I don't even have an investment in this IP.
I have such mixed feelings. I want to blame Goyer for The Dark Knight Rises, but he isn't majorly responsible. :\
Forsaken82
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I have no problems with Goyer on the story and/or screenplay.
His comic book adaptions are more often than not decent. The biggest exceptions being Blade Trinity (which he also directed) and Ghost Rider 2. With that said, Blade 2, Batman Begins and even the seemingly overrated man of steel, were all decent in my opinion.
He knows comic book material and in my opinion that is what matters.
His comic book adaptions are more often than not decent. The biggest exceptions being Blade Trinity (which he also directed) and Ghost Rider 2. With that said, Blade 2, Batman Begins and even the seemingly overrated man of steel, were all decent in my opinion.
He knows comic book material and in my opinion that is what matters.
I imagine the films would not have been made since as far as I know Goyer was the one who pitched MoS and BB (though here together with Nolan). The internet hate for Goyer is hillarious.
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