I don't know how it works in Brazil but if its like the US they have to because it's the retail price.
Luckily you can just change location, I think eshop exclusive games have better pricing in reais than in dollars.
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The Sony PS4 costs ~US$ 1850 in Brazil
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I don't know how it works in Brazil but if its like the US they have to because it's the retail price.
Luckily you can just change location, I think eshop exclusive games have better pricing in reais than in dollars.
Sony could ask them to stop shipping to Brazil. Will they be assholes like that? Well they could...
Yep it will. I made this back when the PS4 standalone was available on amazon.com
Import from Amazon guys, fuck Sony BR!
How much does Fedex charge for that, do you know?
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Fuck it, you'd need five for that price and sell weed on the side.
Dr. Buni
Member
But physical releases are as expensive as digital releases here in Brazil.
I actually know people who buy stuff in the Brazilian eShop. Crazy, but yeah.
Tiu Neo
Member
Yes, but a lot of their games where R$ 99 those days. Almost bought Luigi's Mansion, too.
I edited my quote to reflect that, but saw the prices have gone up again.
Ok, fuck Nintendo too.
Stone Ocean
Member
The thing is that other companies have different prices on the eShop.
Atlus fans can get their games for quite cheap, Code of Princess is like 60 reais, Etrian Odyssey 4 was 83 last I checked and SMT4 was 119 or something. Nintendo doesn't give a fuck.
Atlus fans can get their games for quite cheap, Code of Princess is like 60 reais, Etrian Odyssey 4 was 83 last I checked and SMT4 was 119 or something. Nintendo doesn't give a fuck.
Exactly. And I don't blame you. I'm pissed off too.
And to everybody talking about "trying to spin things over" and "fanboyism", you're being shortsighted. We need to stop fighting each other and realize that we all are being robbed. Our government does charge absurd tax over videogames. I couldn't care less if Brazil becomes a "PS4 or X1 land". But I do care that we pay an astonishing 70% tax overprice for most disc games, that we don't have local servers (or we have very poor ones) for online MP, that we have to make up fake NA adresses to be able to buy things on PSN or XBL, and that our people is labeled as cheaters and backstabbers. That's what pisses me off.
And instead of addressing those issues, we're wasting our time insulting each other, and saying things like: "oh, that's greedy Sony/MS's fault, huehuehueBRBR!".
Damyen
Member
It's a lie.
If we import from Amazon for example, pay FedEx, pay 100%(not 60 or 70) in taxes, it will cost the half price of the USA.
There's no logic in this price here in Brazil.
It's UPS. All costs are included in the price. Nothing else will be charged, delivered to your door in about 7 business days.
I'm sure you have full customer protection if you import from amazonglobal. You are actually buying directly from amazon, so I expect their great customer experience.
Supaidaman
Member
I doubt you need to worry. It's shipped through a courier system, in 7 business days the console will be at your door. It's very easy, really.
As for warranty, it's pretty much inexistent around here.
There's an in Soviet Russia joke somewhere in there.
No problems, no surprises (since we pay the taxes beforehand).
Pre-ordered Vita on Amazon back then, will get PS4 the same way.
Damyen
Member
The price we will pay here in Brazil, if the PS4 get break, import another one, it will be the same cost of buying one here for U$1800.
KaidoRacer7
Member
Tell me more about "pay the taxes beforehand"
Chiaroscuro
Member
Sony does not want to sell it here this year. Or they do not have enough consoles allocated. That is the only explanation. There is no reason for such a high price, no one will buy it on the normal market, they will import (hell, I have my Amazon pre-order with shipping and all duty taxes already payed for US$ 820) or buy it at the grey market.
Freeman
Banned
I wish it was only video games, its everything, everywhere, all the time. We are being crushed by a government that doesn't believe in the free market or individual liberties.
And everyone seem to love, because even when they go protest in the streets they ask for more government intervention ore some exclusive benefit.
The only way out is to study and move to a decent nation.
SpecialAgentZ
Member
Chiaroscuro
Member
Amazon uses carrier companies, like USPS and not normal mail to ship goods. They calculated and pay in advance every possible tax to the Brazilian goverment. Usually that makes their price 100% higher but even so it is less than the official price here.
If I buy electronic stuff in Amazon to ship to here, my order will be like:
- price of the good,
- taxes
- shipping
I have to pay the total in advance in order to Amazon to ship the package. It is worth because the package goes smoothly and very fast through customs.
I honestly do think it's greed, and Sony is doing it because they think they can get away with it. It's what businesses do.
eg: In Australia the PS4 is $550 vs $600 on the Xbox1. $50 price difference.
Much smaller than the $100 price difference in the US after exchange rate.
Price difference in parent countries (UK And EU) is even larger than $100 AUD.
eg: In Australia the PS4 is $550 vs $600 on the Xbox1. $50 price difference.
Much smaller than the $100 price difference in the US after exchange rate.
Price difference in parent countries (UK And EU) is even larger than $100 AUD.
When you buy something from amazon you pay all the taxes to them, and they will handle all the papers and shit. If the actual taxes are less them you payied, they will give you the difference back afterwards.
Chiaroscuro
Member
That is gold. Even the retailers are mocking Sony. That will not end well.
Amazon charges the import fees along with the product.
Check skybabys's invoice: 400 for the PS4, 10 for shipping and 390 for the import fees (those are then paid to Receita Federal by the courier service that'll handle the shipping/delivering).
You pay the 800 USD, the PS4 gets to your door, nothing else is charged.
And if the fees turn out to be lower than 390 dollars (kinda hard, their estimatives are somewhat accurate), they'll give the difference back. If it's higher, it's their loss.
Prime crotch
Banned
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KaidoRacer7
Member
I didn't know that. Last time that I ordered something using FEDEX, brazilian customs opened my package and messed with everything on it (plus, it took two weeks stopped there). How many days it take to arrive?
You're wrong. Sony imports the console as a legal entity, not as a natural person. The taxes on Amazon are for a simplified importation (60% importation fee + ICMS on top for the delivery service). Sony pays a smaller tariff for importing, but still has to pay lots of other taxes.
Of course it's no excuse for the price, even with every tax included a $400 console couldn't cost as much as that here, all I'm saying is that your comparison is incorrect.
The last time i bought something on a saturday, and it arrived on thursday. They say 7 working days.
KaidoRacer7
Member
Wow... it changed everything to me now O_O
Damyen
Member
No, you're wrong.
The PS4 costs 399 USD.
Pay 50 USD for FedEx or UPS.
Pay 100%(look the normal is about 70, but i placed 100) in taxes: plus 399 USD.
Total: 848 USD
I repeat, there's no logic in this price.
natkingcoleslaw
Neo Member
Doesn't Brazil have a huge current account deficit?
Sounds like you need higher taxes on imports.
Sounds like you need higher taxes on imports.
Dehumanizer
Member
Sony forever
Peterthumpa
Member
There's absolutely no explanation for this besides stock issues. As someone else already pointed out, even Apple prices are lower in Brazil.
These are stock constraints, there's no other understandable explanation.
Watch this price going down at least R$ 1000 after the first 6 months.
These are stock constraints, there's no other understandable explanation.
Watch this price going down at least R$ 1000 after the first 6 months.
Dehumanizer
Member
What part of "Sony doesn't import as a natural person" you didn't understand?
Chiaroscuro
Member
What he means is that there is a simplied taxing model for importing goods when you are a person (60% import fees plus ICMS plus some minor taxes, which rounds the value around 100%). When a company is importing goods they cannot go that route, there is another chain of taxes.
But even that tax route does not end at 100% taxes. Sony Brazil is clearly messing with PS4 price here.
I know it's cheaper to do that, but Sony pays different taxes when importing, not to mention the ones they have to pay after selling it here.
MrChocolate
Member
And yet somehow Argentina and Chile gets their PS4 at way lower prices?
Yeah, I´m calling BS on that one.
Sony would be stupid to overcharge 400% over the standard price without any reason.
I like this one
https://twitter.com/pontofrio/statuses/390813474542329856
"With less than RS4000, you can buy 1 oven + 1 fridge + 1 TV + 1 cellphone + 1 tablet + 1 christmas tree"
They're not losing it, they're charging what the market will bear. People will buy it at this price; there's a lot of people with more money than sense (though I imagine R$4000 is a bit much for some people's credit cards).
Peterthumpa
Member
Yep, you're right, I completely forgot about nearby countries. I guess that's just Sony being greedy then.
This is probably an amalgamation of different issues.
As mentioned earlier, Brazilian taxes are absurd. You can't apply the Individual Import taxes (60% or 100%, depends who is sending you the stuff - another individual or a company, and the region you live in) to a company - they pay different taxes, with a bunch of deciding factors that we're not aware of.
There's the fact that videogames fall into the gambling taxes bracket (computers do not, for instance).
But tax alone can't be the culprit here. It probably has to do with lack of actual stock and the fact that Sony Brasil knows that everybody will buy the illegally imported one anyway, so instead of charging 2899 or whatever is the actual cost of the machine, they just said "fuck it" and put it at 4k.
There's people that will buy it at that price, and the people that are going to buy the illegally imported ones would never buy the officially released one, as they could never get the official price down enough to match an illegal imported unit, that doesn't pay taxes at all.
As mentioned earlier, Brazilian taxes are absurd. You can't apply the Individual Import taxes (60% or 100%, depends who is sending you the stuff - another individual or a company, and the region you live in) to a company - they pay different taxes, with a bunch of deciding factors that we're not aware of.
There's the fact that videogames fall into the gambling taxes bracket (computers do not, for instance).
But tax alone can't be the culprit here. It probably has to do with lack of actual stock and the fact that Sony Brasil knows that everybody will buy the illegally imported one anyway, so instead of charging 2899 or whatever is the actual cost of the machine, they just said "fuck it" and put it at 4k.
There's people that will buy it at that price, and the people that are going to buy the illegally imported ones would never buy the officially released one, as they could never get the official price down enough to match an illegal imported unit, that doesn't pay taxes at all.
Damyen
Member
Dude, i undertood that, what i'm saying is, even with another taxes, it's dont match 100% of the price, i guarantee to you.
MrChocolate
Member
But why being greedy only in Brazil?
Do you have anything to back up your "Sony is greedy" argument?