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VITA NEW MODEL Announced with built in 1GB memory!!
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Wouldn't be Sony's first bad move for the Vita. TBH it won't really matter what Sony does with this revision if they aren't going to back it up with games.
FlyingTeacup
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i wonder how much the current vita stock does sony has.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Plasma tech has indeed come a long way. But I warn you now, if you look at a modern plasma then try to go back to an LCD, it's pretty rough. The motion blur of an LCD paired with all these shaky cam movies makes the screen literally un-watchable to me. It's a blurry awful mess. Plus unless your willing to spend $1500+ on an LCD, your black levels are probably actually grey levels. Movies and games like Pirates of the Caribbean or Batman are comically worse. Once you get used to the advantages of better screen tech, it's really quite jarring to go back.
I had to finish watching Breaking Bad on my Vita because of how many dark scenes there were lol.
RedNumberFive
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#teamOLED
Dimensional Weave
Neo Member
its part of the elimination of the middle class.....people, so know u can stop icono-lowclassin it.
Not for handheld gaming though. Gaming in sunshine or even strong light is still a problem for OLEDs. One that not many seem to care about here, but for the average handheld consumer, I suspect the backlight will be more welcome than deep black levels.
In the real world, a lot of people are just going to see the brighter screen and prefer it and not really care about the contrast levels.
Hugs my OG Vita although I'm happy Sony is taking the steps to make the Vita and concept of Vita accessible to more people.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
See but here's where things get downright weird. Everyone talks about how bad OLED is in direct sunlight, but they say it as if LCD is "good" in the sunlight, which it isn't. You go from bad to less bad. Your going to struggle to play games in sunlight due to reflections on your panel, plus diminishing brightness. LCD isn't good in the sunlight, just brighter and whiter lol.
I use an iPhone 5 and really wish Apple would scrap the LCD in favor of oled. Will never happen, though. :-/
We need color e-ink screens with sub-millisecond response times and no input lag
ChronotriggerJM
Member
I jumped on the Nexus 4 because of it's cheapness for an unlocked phone. My biggest regret is that it isn't OLED.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
We need color e-ink screens with sub-millisecond response times and no input lag
E-ink is actually amazing in the sunlight lol. Much better for book reading than any of these tablets IMO.
We need color e-ink screens with sub-millisecond response times and no input lag
I would buy any tablet or gaming device with this. It is my holy grail.
Define dirt
Dark scenes on my Vita are ruined by the black splotches and patchy streaks which Sony considers acceptable and won't replace. It's hugely distracting and frankly ruins the screen for me.
Anyway, only CRTs beat lightboost monitors for motion clarity so I respectively disagree that that LCD's are "rubbish for gaming." The smoothness is a night and day difference compared to my 9g Kuro e-lite.
Also, as long as OLED's continue to use sample-and-hold displays, they will continue to have motion blur no better than the best (TN) LCDs and Plasmas despite their near instant pixel response times.
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
OLED is expensive compared to LCD. People want cheaper handhelds. It makes no sense to sell a handheld at almost the price of a full on console.
This is the right move by Sony. They are addressing everything that is wrong with the Vita, including the price. Until a month ago, you couldn't make me buy one, but now after all these changes I'll buy one by Christmas this year.
This is the right move by Sony. They are addressing everything that is wrong with the Vita, including the price. Until a month ago, you couldn't make me buy one, but now after all these changes I'll buy one by Christmas this year.
ChronotriggerJM
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See but I game on my Vita, then hop over to my PS3 (which is hooked up to an LCD) and just shrug. I'll be getting a 50" plasma soon, but man that day can't come soon enough. I'm sick of looking at bland displays. I watch so much netflix and amazon with my girl that I have no reason whatsoever to not have better black levels.
I suppose for your standard consumption device that revolves around reading articles and such, it's not the biggest loss. But for anything gaming / movie / tv related. It's a deal breaker.
Damn dude, sorry to hear that.
I'm not a tech guy but it seems like a huge minus to not include a oled screen. It really does make everything pop. There's a good selection of stuff out now and a lot of interesting indie stuff coming down the pipe.
I'd take another couple of days to think it over though.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
But now your talking more specialized equipment. Obviously some of the best LCD displays on top end monitors are going to be great. But generally (as in most LCD tv's), the display is junk for gaming. OLED and Plasma are just better for your standard purposes, and those "black splotches" on the vita still leaves the screen darker than your typical LCD panel.
"Smoothness" on a Plasma's 600hz refresh is not something to scoff at. I agree, it's night and day.
Light boost requires work on the input side. It's not something the LCDs will handle on their own.
This is simply not true. I've used the browser a lot and I have no burn in. I bought my vita on day 1 and there are no issues with the screen. Maybe people don't have it auto turn off after use?
rockmanjoe
Member
Hmm, this might be the model I'd buy if I ever get a Vita.
The specialized equipment is a simple offshoot of one of LCD's primary strengths though, it's present day LED brightness. The technology is here TODAY and has been mass produced for nearly two years. It isn't widespread in large part because the CE industry and customers don't care about display response times. Why else would we have so many junk LCDs as you mentioned. As John Carmack said, something is wrong when you can send a packet around the world faster than the typical lag on a TV.
We've hyped OLED's for over a decade now and are still waiting for all the promised benefits. Why can't we acknowledge what the mature LCD tech can still achieve?
The night and day difference was between my lightboost lcd or FW900 crt compared to my Kuro. I admit it's unfair comparing 120 and 140hz to 60hz though.
Well, they're addressing everything except the most important thing...
Captain Tuttle
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Thanks for the info, seriously, interesting stuff.
I understand that this stuff is important to the enthusiast but does it matter to the general population (the group that anyone needs for long term success)? I mean, the vast majority of people are playing games on LCD TV's. I think it doesn't and that's why Sony went with LCD.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
I absolutely agree with your point, I'm more just focused on the technology itself and it's inherent strengths and weaknesses. Good LCD displays are in fact quite good. Just the inherent flaws with LCD versus OLED or plasma are pretty much what I've been focusing on.
I wouldn't be so opposed to the new vita if it were packing a Triluminous display, as that helps with some of the shortcomings of LCD tech, but if were talking your run of the mill display, count me out lol. Standard OLED > Standard LCD. Maturity aside, OLED is better technology than LCD.
RibbedHero
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Ignore.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Sony cuts the weight of the Vita, and OLED, and iy´s still selling it at $200? I thought they would lower the price further with this new model.
Hmm, maybe. I've heard that somepeople don't have it set to sleep after a while, and/or they just browse for hours at a time.
It looks like splattered bodily fluids under a blacklight.
Sorry for the grossness, but that's the best description I can give it.
Good thing is that it only shows up when the screen goes black in games. So it doesn't really happen during the game.
probably cheaper to make. They just dropped the price recently so this will bring up their profit margin again.
Requiem173
Neo Member
Yep. That's a really accurate description.
...and that's why Lightboost is not an acceptable solution. It requires a lot of muscle on the hardware side and leaves out a LOT of content.
It's not an inherent feature of the screen. If we can achieve Lightboost quality motion without a refresh rate requirement I would be more excited by it. Oled pretty much delivers the same quality of motion natively.
H_Prestige
Banned
The price cut was made with this model in mind. The OG vita was barely breaking even at $250.
ChronotriggerJM
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To my knowledge it's because Sony went with a cheap display. Inherently OLED's are supposed to be off when displaying no color. So the screen in theory would be a uniform black, but the "mura" effect is because the OLED's are still receiving power and are still active. I've heard the Mura effect diminishes over time and or changes lol. Interesting regardless, but it really is a non-issue (to me anyway). I'd rather have spots that are lighter on black screens than have the whole screen just be lighter.