Poimandres
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What does the PC have to do with consoles?
Nothing directly, but PC developments usually give you an insight into the kind of tech that might be used in next gen consoles.
What does the PC have to do with consoles?
Nothing directly, but PC developments usually give you an insight into the kind of tech that might be used in next gen consoles.
And evil Microsoft profited off the research being done for Cell back then.
I thought the 360 was smart precisely because it pretty much followed the PC-in-a-box approach. In a more cost effective way than the OG Xbox, but still, the familiarity of the architecture helped while the PS3's... exotic... architecture means it suffered with ports its whole life.
I'm certainly not an expert on these things, but that was my understanding.
Doesn't change the fact that the WiiU CPU is really bad.In reference to a question Marcan got on the Wii U's CPU clock at 1.25ghz...
Marcan is one of the key members of failoverflow and a lead hacker in the Wii/Wii U scene. He apparently has some sources in the know, aside from confirming the exact specs of the Wii U himself through hacking means.
Lock if old, I did a quick search and came up with nothing... but the tweet is 14 hours old so I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something.
(edit) Whoops, forgot to put the source. https://twitter.com/marcan42
(edit 2) Some clarification edits.
Not sure how to take this news. I know that a 1.6Ghz Core2Duo outperforms a 3.2 Ghz Pentium D, but still..
The Cell PPE was designed specifically for the Cell processor but during development, Microsoft approached IBM wanting a high performance processor core for its Xbox 360. IBM complied and made the tri-core Xenon processor, based on a slightly modified version of the PPE.
Xenon is not like an off the shelve PC CPU.
The Cell PPE was designed specifically for the Cell processor but during development, Microsoft approached IBM wanting a high performance processor core for its Xbox 360. IBM complied and made the tri-core Xenon processor, based on a slightly modified version of the PPE.
Xenon is not like an off the shelve PC CPU.
This information is the same as what I was told early this year. 8 cores @ 1.6ghz with 2 dedicated to the OS. You have to keep in mind that this is 8 cores @ 1.6ghz as opposed to 3 @ 1.2ghz.
Wouldn't want any heat issues and high failure rates this generation.
Nothing directly, but PC developments usually give you an insight into the kind of tech that might be used in next gen consoles.
Let the system wars begin!!
Honestly, does that mean we can calm dOwn about the Wii U CPU or what?
What's the Mhz of the PS3 and 360's CPU again?
Edit: Answered above.
Ahem...
Why would you make the CPU weaker than your own last console!?
Unless it has more threads or cores or whatnot, but in raw numbers, that to me is unheard of, but I'm no expert so...
Let the system wars begin!!
Honestly, does that mean we can calm dOwn about the Wii U CPU or what?
People judging CPU power from the clock speed alone? Am I back in the 90s?
All these rumors are just too weird with the consoles not even announced yet.
okIt's still a sucky CPU that's probably no better than Xenon, let's just leave it at that.
that's exactly what was said in the previous war though. As I said, it has just begun! ^_^There is no war wiiu is completing with the xbox360/ps3
When ps4/xbox720 coe out they will be in the next gen
Really?It's still a sucky CPU that's probably no better than Xenon, let's just leave it at that.
8 cores or 4 with 4 logical ones?This information is the same as what I was told early this year. 8 cores @ 1.6ghz with 2 dedicated to the OS. You have to keep in mind that this is 8 cores @ 1.6ghz as opposed to 3 @ 1.2ghz.
Wouldn't want any heat issues and high failure rates this generation.
People judging CPU power from the clock speed alone? Am I back in the 90s?
Really?
8 cores or 4 with 4 logical ones?
This information is the same as what I was told early this year. 8 cores @ 1.6ghz with 2 dedicated to the OS. You have to keep in mind that this is 8 cores @ 1.6ghz as opposed to 3 @ 1.2ghz.
Wouldn't want any heat issues and high failure rates this generation.
If we're comparing WiiU (not sure if you are) then it's worth noting that WiiU has a DSP for the Audio (so the CPU isn't handling that) and a separate ARM processor which may be handling the OS (unconfirmed, but if so the the CPU isnt lumbered with that either)
So its not necessarily "8 @ 1.6ghz vs 3 @ 1.2ghz".
Apparently we are. On several occasions I have upgraded my pc with a lower clocked CPU. People commenting that "that means it's worse" are just very silly indeed. Or aren't bothering to read up on the subject past the last 7 years of console specifications.
On the same point, this is exactly why the WiiU CPU isn't "bad" because it's slow. Clock speed isn't everything, its importance can be offset by other advances in CPU technology.
My current PC CPU is 3.2 GHz i5 (Sandybridge). Do these people think their 360 CPU is the same or even 'better'?
It's been a while since computers were down at 1Ghz though. Modern CPUs are efficient architecture AND 3+ GHz
Surely they're not still using the same Macronix DSP since the GameCube? Or maybe it's an enhanced version?
Yeah, plus the PPC 750 is an old design that has its roots in 1998.
I don't know if they added any new instruction sets, though.
IPS would be a good composite measurement to rate the consoles CPUs and I fairly certain that the wii u CPU barely matches up to the PS3/360 CPUs. I think it's time for people to accept that Nintendo made a GPU focused console with the CPU being mediocre. It's the same thing we were told prior to launch, all these pages of debate about nothing really isn't gonna change that.
ITT, people think clock speeds have always been increasing. Here's a fun image:
A small collection of low-end (by today's standard) CPU benchmarks.
Look how the 1.30GHz Intel Celeron 743 performs comparably to the 3.60GHz Pentium 4. Both CPUs were released exactly one year apart.
Another fun fact: the Intel Core was derived from the Pentium 3 line, ditching the Pentium 4 architecture. Deriving from an older architecture isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I call bullshit.
Should be more like six against three, or eight against five. OS background processes on Wii U seem to run on the ARM coprocessor, not the main CPU.This information is the same as what I was told early this year. 8 cores @ 1.6ghz with 2 dedicated to the OS. You have to keep in mind that this is 8 cores @ 1.6ghz as opposed to 3 @ 1.2ghz.
Wouldn't want any heat issues and high failure rates this generation.
Should be more like six against three, or eight against five. OS background processes on Wii U seem to run on the ARM coprocessor, not the main CPU.
Clock speed means nothing when there's no info about the number of cores and the architecture.So what happens if its a lower clocked CPU but with really fast RAM and a beefy GPU? Will the lower GHz really make that much of an impact if they engineer the rest to be much better?
Should be more like six against three, or eight against five. OS background processes on Wii U seem to run on the ARM coprocessor, not the main CPU.
Clock speed means nothing when there's no info about the number of cores and the architecture.
So what happens if its a lower clocked CPU but with really fast RAM and a beefy GPU? Will the lower GHz really make that much of an impact if they engineer the rest to be much better?
Yes.So really the whole thread is a bit pointless then?
So really the whole thread is a bit pointless then?
So what happens if its a lower clocked CPU but with really fast RAM and a beefy GPU? Will the lower GHz really make that much of an impact if they engineer the rest to be much better?