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[Hypereides]

David is 100% right.

davidjaffe you don't have to be "one of us" or whatever. I think most folks just want to see a decently/conventional attractive looking female protag who doesn't have to look like she works at a strip club with exaggerated breast implants.

Disregarding Stellar blade for a minute, I honestly think the guys in the east are beating you, over in the US, in this category. Big time. You're sticking out like a sore thumb.

That also doesn't mean there shouldn't be room for non-conventionally good looking characters. However, its gotten to a point where this type fills up the character bracket more than the former by a wide margin. An imbalance has occurred. There's room for both and I want to believe, deep down, the average gamer shares that sentiment. That said, playing as a goofy sexy looking femme fatale once in a while, like in Oneechanbara for example, is fine from time to time. Its all about variety and moderation. I want to believe most can distinguish between real life and fiction when it comes down to it. I'd be bored if all female protags looked like strippers too and would push for a shake up, if that ever happened.

In the case of Wolverine, Jean Grey would've looked much better if her model looked like the image on the right:



Sony overreacted and overcorrected. They need to pull back a bit.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

just wait until you finally get a girl into bed. You'll be devastated to find out that they can look a little different in the morning than they did in the club the night before.

Who haven't drunk a little too much, found some decent looking broad, take her home, but then the next day you wake up and look at what's next to you:

 

[yurinka]

a decently/conventional attractive looking female protag who doesn't have to look like she works at a strip club with exaggerated breast implants.

I'd say not being ugly and being good looking is enough.

But people also needs to accept that there is nothing wrong in including characters who look like really attractive characters, even if they look like strippers with implants. And that there is nothing wrong with liking them and prefering them over ugly characters.

Particularly when they're adapting characters that basically looked like greek gods/godesses:

Meanwhile at Insomniac + Sweet Baby Inc they did this:

 

[laynelane]

davidjaffe you don't have to be "one of us" or whatever. I think most folks just want to see a decently/conventional attractive looking female protag who doesn't have to look like she works at a strip club with exaggerated breast implants.

Disregarding Stellar blade for a minute, I honestly think the guys in the east are beating you, over in the US, in this category. Big time. You're sticking out like a sore thumb.

That also doesn't mean there shouldn't be room for non-conventionally good looking characters. However, its gotten to a point where this type fills up the character bracket more than the former by a wide margin. An imbalance has occurred. There's room for both and I want to believe, deep down, the average gamer shares that sentiment. That said, playing as a goofy sexy looking femme fatale once in a while, like in Oneechanbara for example, is fine from time to time. Its all about variety and moderation. I want to believe most can distinguish between real life and fiction when it comes down to it. I'd be bored if all female protags looked like strippers too and would push for a shake up, if that ever happened.

In the case of Wolverine, Jean Grey would've looked much better if her model looked like the image on the right:



Sony overreacted and overcorrected. They need to pull back a bit.

In the case of Jean, it also stands out because she's considered to be very attractive in the comics. Always has been, but they still chose to deviate from that with her in-game model. The fact that many western devs have become predictable when it comes to this just says it all, really.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Who haven't drunk a little too much, found some decent looking broad, take her home, but then the next day you wake up and look at what's next to you:

Saying that most women look like roadkill in the morning just to justify Western mods shitting the bed and making women look brutal in computer games is some pure weapons grade cope.

 

[peish]

TBF to SSM, Faye while a temu Cate Blanchett/Tilda Swinton, she still is attractive enough for her character arc.... a middle age female in a harsh world without facial care products but managed to maintain her body/fats ratio.... and she just died of trauma....

Saying this as a middle age GAFfer.

ok her constant yapping sorta mis-match the age.

This is unlike "where did the meat come from" Aloy or "where did she get her steroids and gym" Abby or "Mother" Jane .... or the new entry Jean Gary

 

[Fbh]

davidjaffe you don't have to be "one of us" or whatever. I think most folks just want to see a decently/conventional attractive looking female protag who doesn't have to look like she works at a strip club with exaggerated breast implants.

davidjaffe

Seriously though, I'd be interesting to have him talk about this with Colin on their next Sacred Symbols stream/podcast. Colin is more conservative but has been pretty dismissive about the criticism aimed at Sony for the uglyfication of their female characters, then you have Jaffee who is more liberal but seems to actually get the point that many of us aren't asking for all women to be half naked and have their tits out. But we don't go to these over the top power fantasy games looking for "grounded" designs and characters, part of the appeal of fantasy has always been these larger than life characters that have cool and/or beautiful designs.

 

[Bojji]

davidjaffe

Seriously though, I'd be interesting to have him talk about this with Colin on their next Sacred Symbols stream/podcast. Colin is more conservative but has been pretty dismissive about the criticism aimed at Sony for the uglyfication of their female characters, then you have Jaffee who is more liberal but seems to actually get the point that many of us aren't asking for all women to be half naked and have their tits out. But we don't go to these over the top power fantasy games looking for "grounded" designs and characters, part of the appeal of fantasy has always been these larger than life characters that have cool and/or beautiful designs.

Colin is just a fanboy, he will defend anything with "Sony" logo on it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Insomniac's Jean Grey looks like a bloke who goes by she/her in a wig.

Full stop.

 

[Bojji]

Insomniac's Jean Grey looks like a bloke who goes by she/her in a wig.

Full stop.

At least it's better than this:

 

[DeepEnigma]

At least it's better than this:

Not by much, and something something lighting

 

[NickFire]

At least it's better than this:

That's Johnny Grey, high lord of urinals

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Saying that most women look like roadkill in the morning just to justify Western mods shitting the bed and making women look brutal in computer games is some pure weapons grade cope.

She is not THAT ugly. If she looked like fat Aloy I would see the problem, but Faye is not a gremlin. She looks like a normal women.

 

[PeteBull]

She was the perfect choice, and they could have made a great short film for Kat from Gravity Rush.

Damn Playstation.

Imagine the amount of beauty degradation playstation devteams would have to use here, they would have to be crunching for months, and those lazy woke parasites hate actual work, hence they already took washed out over the hill 41yo granny, took her pics w/o any doll up techniques and called it a day xD

 

[PeteBull]

She is not THAT ugly. If she looked like fat Aloy I would see the problem, but Faye is not a gremlin. She looks like a normal women.

She looks like normal 41yo white as a snow soccer mom, and they usually age quickly and terrible, thats what we saying, we dont want our heroine/goddess to look like ur avg 41yo (aka ugly as a sin) woman long past her prime, where tf are her tits and ass? Did she forgot to take them out with her just like her outside face
Same way kratos looks like top 1% most attractive man, we dont want bottom 30% attractive woman as our protag, we want her if not in top1% like kratos then at the very least top 10% and that was easily her look from early true blood seasons( so early-mid 20s), dolled up too.

Why u think actress uses tons of make up on the official red carpet photoshoots? Fresh of the shower she could cosplay as gollum whispering "my precious" to her make up kit xD

Since we are stuck with the actress we want at least that- clean face and skintight outfit, and if it means they gotta make her 15-20years younger and add more polygonal curves vs her current ugly self- so be it.

 

[pulicat]

 

[Gonzito]

 

[LectureMaster]

Why ain't capcom following Sony's narrative?

Claire is fighting ABCDEFG viruses zombies in apocalypse, she needs to have a "strong" appearance!

 

[Bojji]

Why ain't capcom following Sony's narrative?

Claire is fighting ABCDEFG viruses zombies in apocalypse, she needs to have a "strong" appearance!

I mean, even Ellie in post apocalyptic world (that IS realistic with no magic etc.) looks far more attractive than many current sony leads.

But of course cuckman still fucked up some character designs:

 

[Madserb2023]

More women have the facial structure of Claire Redfield than Jean Grey. Women have a different skull shape. This has got nothing to do with moving away from unrealistic beauty standards. Now if Sony had female leads that had a feminine bone structure but were a little overweight then you could argue they were just making characters that represent most women. These look like men though. Yes, there are women that are born with higher testosterone or chromosomal defects but that would be a very small percentage of women.

 

[Trilobit]

Why ain't capcom following Sony's narrative?

Claire is fighting ABCDEFG viruses zombies in apocalypse, she needs to have a "strong" appearance!

"Women need to look like as if they just woke up with a hangover!!!"

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why ain't capcom following Sony's narrative?

Claire is fighting ABCDEFG viruses zombies in apocalypse, she needs to have a "strong" appearance!

Muh lighting tho

 

[Daniel Thomas MacInnes]

Wow, you're going to be in for a shock when somebody explains to you this little thing called "the aging process."

 

[PatientGamer]

Thank you, Japan.

at least this one looks like an actual adult.

 

[Gonzito]

Wow, you're going to be in for a shock when somebody explains to you this little thing called "the aging process."

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wow, you're going to be in for a shock when somebody explains to you this little thing called "the aging process."

It's almost there's a medium where characters can stay forever in their prime and not whipping out an AARP discount card at the loot vendors.

Oh Mario, what's really in those magic mushrooms after 45+ years?

 

[PeteBull]

I mean, even Ellie in post apocalyptic world (that IS realistic with no magic etc.) looks far more attractive than many current sony leads.

But of course cuckman still fucked up some character designs:

Thats easily early to mid 20s vs late 40s look, cuckman is called cuckman for a reason after all.

 

[Bojji]

at least this one looks like an actual adult.

Claire is 19 in RE2.

 

[KanKamAndNob]

If you want an echo chamber where impopular opinions are downvoted so you don't have to seem them, there already is a place for you.

https://reddit.com

More specifically,
r/malefeminist

 

[KanKamAndNob]

Now compare the mutants we get now compared to Western women suspiciously before Anita Sarkeesian:

Would love to hear the excuses from the lurking male feminists why Western women look so vastly different without sounding like an emasculated male ally.

 

[ToneyJ]

Now compare the mutants we get now compared to Western women suspiciously before Anita Sarkeesian:

Would love to hear the excuses from the lurking male feminists why Western women look so vastly different without sounding like an emasculated male ally.

It's funny because these characters were way hotter than even what Japan is putting out today (legacy fighting game character designs like Chun-Li, Taki, etc. aside ). The bar is just so low now that Japan's modern characters just look decent compared to what the West is offering. But characters like RE2make Claire or Grace Ashford are really toned down and "realistic".

 

[Mozza]

Who haven't drunk a little too much, found some decent looking broad, take her home, but then the next day you wake up and look at what's next to you:

People be like on here... You must of walked down the street and seen an ugly chick lol..

 

[archangelmorph]

Another butchering, I mean I can't remember if someone listed this one but we should take a count now of how many times this has been done.

Here's a question for someone, what's the last true western female protag that was just normal, attractive etc? I'm old I can't remember

Lara Croft.

Literally like two days ago (SGF)

 

[Gonzito]

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Stellar Blade 2 looking awesome boiz

 

[Gonzito]

Fable females cast

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Fable females cast

Damn man

 

[xanaum]

Sheit man, I couldn't hold it in and started laughing my ass off at this shit

 

[VEZ1R]

This is not only about Sony. It's American HR problem. None of the American HR influenced studios are allowed to create a videogame without an ugly male wannabe girlboss stereotype. Every American studios and American HR influenced studios are the same. They have to obey to woke ruleset.

Rules are:

- You are not allowed to create good looking feminine female characters (like Capcom ladies).
- Every game has to have masculine male wannabe girlboss stereotype.
- Every male character has to behave like they are under HR supervision.
- You are not allowed to create characters like FC3 Vaas or GTA5 Trevor. Because these characters repesents toxic masculinity. For this reason every male character has to be HR approved politically correct male feminists. Even if narrative of the game demands otherwise.
- Traditional gender norms are not allowed. Men can not be traditional men and women can not be traditional women. They have to obey modern American woke identity politics.

Under this ruleset you can not create an authentic and relatable narrative and worldbuilding. These rules inevitably makes your game unauthentic, cringe and stupid. Every American studios suffers from this, not just Sony.
American game studios have the least creative freedom on the planet right now. Even chinese studios has much more creative freedom. Let that sink in.

 

[adamsapple]

Fable females cast

Top left looks cute in a goth-lite way.

 

[GloveSlap]

Sheit man, I couldn't hold it in and started laughing my ass off at this shit

Didn't watch. What game was it? Funniest one since Concord though.

 

[KanKamAndNob]

It's funny because these characters were way hotter than even what Japan is putting out today (legacy fighting game character designs like Chun-Li, Taki, etc. aside ). The bar is just so low now that Japan's modern characters just look decent compared to what the West is offering. But characters like RE2make Claire or Grace Ashford are really toned down and "realistic".

Yep. From the 90's to 2010's it was almost like a competition to see who can make the sexiest female characters between the East and West. It was fucking amazing before the Queen Cunt Anita Sarkeesian decided that women having feminine faces and curves = hate women and dumb fuck devs decided "yes queen".

The only relatively modern characters from the West that I can say rivals the old Western waifus would be Panam Palmer and Witcher 3 Yennefer which is funny because both of those characters are from one company. Every other character since that twat entered the gaming scene has been either a mutant, or at best safe horny (think Hades 2 females or Baldur's Gate 3). The best you can hope for is a beautiful face that isn't shaped like a Thwomp, but has literally no curves to speak of (Shadowheart).

As far as Japan, yeah, unfortunately they've toned downed the sexiness. I don't like that either, with shit like Tifa's boobs requiring a fucking "ethics" department (WTF), Dragon Quest censoring the female heroes, and like you said the changing the legacy characters. With that said, I'll take Japan over America/Europe any day of the week when it comes to at least making the women look like fucking women and not literal fucking trannies though. I still think the ranking goes: South Korea>China>Japan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>West when it comes to female character design.

Even if we ignore the ugliness of these characters, Western female design is so fucking boring that aspect aside. Every character is so predictable:

• Flat as a cutting board, or literally obese
• Black with a shitty afro or no hair at all
• Pissy/masculine attitude to convey STRONK AND INDEPENDENT personality
• Gender bend (becuase of course)
• And a face shaped like a brick

Western devs are so incompetent they can't even do ugly designs correctly because they all bleed together. You see one modern Western ugly black women with a terrible afro in one game, you've seen them all. Same with the redheads. Jesse Faden, Mary Jane, and Jean Grey are basically clones of each other if you look at them side by side.

 

[KanKamAndNob]

Damn man

I love you Hollywood Hitman, but I just gotta ask. Were you expecting anything else lol. Asking a Western dev to make a pretty/sexy female character is like asking a hippo not to spray it's diarrhea everywhere. We already know the answer to that question my friend.
(Shitting gif removed)

 

[Kacho]

Top left looks cute in a goth-lite way.

Up them standards brah

 

[Signalis]

 

[adamsapple]

Up them standards brah

Brace for Asmon, Smash JT, Ben Shapiro videos.

 

[Kacho]

Brace for Asmon videos.

Brace for Smash JT videos.

Brace for Ben Shapiro videos.

 

[Bojji]

Lara in SOTTR, no RT lighting - not ugly? It can be done?

 

[xanaum]

Eleve os padrões, mano.

Yeah. Microsoft also jumped into the ugly women awards party and came with everything.