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[violence]

Even the critical drinker has to talk about it. Furiosa at least had a different title than Mad Max.

 

[near]

I still can't get over how this look ridiculous.

Target audience = teens/young adults particularly girls into magical fantasy.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Yes, please do think, that would be helpful.

Don't be an ass man. You seem to be trying to argue that I said I did not call it a tribal echo chamber (hence you attempted gotcha quote). That is not what I was denying. Nor was it my question.
The question is, where did I say an echo chamber is defined as something less than 50/50?

 

[Banjo64]

Never seen PS pre-emptively try to damage control.

Guessing they are spooked.

 

[archangelmorph]

Ahhhh - Gentleman, I we've found the demographic of "Men" that Tim Walz was connecting with during the 2024 presidential cycle

You lot are so retarded.

Miss me with your bullshit American binary tunnel vision worldview nonesense.

Not everyone is a raging woke tard or a right wing racist manosphere incel.

Just because you're trying desperately to fit into one of these shitty boxes doesn't mean everyone else is.

Some of us are just well adjusted, balanced, normies, living life, raising our families and trying to get by in life, trying to enjoy our gaming hobby whilst doing our best to keep our heads out of the bullshit Russian bot-farm catalysed internet zeitgeist shitshow.

But by all means stay retarded. It's probably more fun for you since you can't get no pussy.

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

Hopefully gamers vote with their wallets.

 

[Saber]

I still can't get over how this look ridiculous.

You should imagine how this thing came into fruition in the board meeting.

"Hey, what if Faye partner was not a male, but a jelly cube that is silly and jokes all the time? Kids loves Marvels humor these days!"

 

[calico]

Rethink your thinking about what's happening here with the announcement that The Witcher 4's protagonist is a female secondary character.

Look at the Witcher 4 threads. Notice there's not as much fuss?

Why do you think that is?

Here's a hint... imagine for a moment that the game includes this:

PlayStation Studios

PlayStation's thorough transition to a girl brand has become a force multiplier for issues like this now I think.

I do agree Wokecher 4 has been getting off easy in comparison, and in some ways it's worse because Geralt > Kratos and because GoW had already fully embraced woke before Laufey.

 

[samoilaaa]

You lot are so retarded.

Miss me with your bullshit American binary tunnel vision worldview nonesense.

Not everyone is a raging woke tard or a right wing racist manosphere incel.

Just because you're trying desperately to fit into one of these shitty boxes doesn't mean everyone else is.

Some of us are just well adjusted, balanced, normies, living life, raising our families and trying to get by in life, trying to enjoy our gaming hobby whilst doing our best to keep our heads out of the bullshit Russian bot-farm catalysed internet zeitgeist shitshow.

But by all means stay retarded. It's probably more fun for you since you can't get no pussy.

 

[ElFenomeno]

From badass Blades of Chaos to .. pink ribbons. Yeah, definitely the Greek DNA is all over this game.

 

[Three]

This doesn't even make sense when she is trying to kill Begste but its just porn brainrot of a certain crowd I guess. Now you'll be randomly calling Kratos a cuck while simultaneously begging to play as him.

 

[Gexxy1]

Don't be an ass man.

-Tells me "to think."
-Says "don't be an ass" when I return the phrasing

Pot meet kettle.

You seem to be trying to argue that I said I did not call it a tribal echo chamber (hence you attempted gotcha quote). That is not what I was denying. Nor was it my question.
The question is, where did I say an echo chamber is defined as something less than 50/50?

Okay lets break this down since everything has gone way over your head.

You said it was an echo chamber, and that it was BS. This isn't a gotcha, it is literally your claim.
Okay cool, you didn't say, with exact phrasing, that the viewpoints needed to be 50/50. But I'd love to hear your explanation on what makes this place an echo chamber without somehow working into said explanation that there is an unbalanced type of opinions, aka "not 50/50."

 

[Boneless]

Curiously, in your opinion, what makes the Nier Automata character cool vs Faye?

She is a blindfolded android with two bigass sumarai swords, clearly cool.

 

[calico]

The funny thing is if you removed all of the extreme censorship elsewhere you'd rapidly have the same majority opinion in those places too.

 

[John Wick]

Then why not piss off to the purple place?


Most of your posts seem to be taking shots at the members here. You clearly have a pretty low opinion of this community, so I'm not sure why you spend so much time arguing with people who enjoy discussing things here.

Most people here are pretty level headed. Just because our views and opinions don't align with yours doesn't mean we're clowns.

No I'm not taking shots at the members here. I'm taking shots at the clowns. Especially those with an agenda. I didn't realise having a woman as a lead character would stir up so much hate and hypocrisy.
Too many fly by shit posters to have a decent meaningful conversation about the actual game.
I like she can jump. Maybe she can hover and fly?
Production values are high. Remember the spit and polish is done near the end of Dev.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

-Tells me "to think."
-Says "don't be an ass."

Pot meet kettle.


Okay lets break this down since everything has gone way over your head.

You said it was an echo chamber. This isn't a gotcha, it is literally your claim.
Okay cool, you didn't say the viewpoints needed to be 50/50. But I'd love to hear your explanation on what makes this place an echo chamber without somehow working into said explanation that there is an unbalanced type of opinions, aka "not 50/50."

You're still not answering what I asked.
I never said anything about a 50/50 split—you introduced that yourself and keep arguing against it like I did. My point is that a space can be an echo chamber without needing some exact ratio. It's about how viewpoints are handled and whether opposing ones actually get engaged with.
If you disagree with that, fine—but argue against what I'm actually saying, not something you made up. I'm leaving it alone. Not interested on going in circles. Besides. I don't think there is anything I could say to make you agree anyway.

 

[Traxtech]

Does anyone else get DmC vibes from parts of the combat, the Ninja Theory one

 

[violence]

No I'm not taking shots at the members here. I'm taking shots at the clowns. Especially those with an agenda. I didn't realise having a woman as a lead character would stir up so much hate and hypocrisy.
Too many fly by shit posters to have a decent meaningful conversation about the actual game.
I like she can jump. Maybe she can hover and fly?
Production values are high. Remember the spit and polish is done near the end of Dev.

I think if you played a male lead in the tomb raider universe, you would need to call it something else as well.

 

[R6Rider]

Hopefully gamers vote with their wallets.

Exactly. I'll be getting it around launch most likely. Depends on what else is releasing.

 

[Musashipan]

God of woke is real

 

[delirium trigger]

Some of us are just well adjusted, balanced, normies, living life, raising our families and trying to get by in life, trying to enjoy our gaming hobby whilst doing our best to keep our heads out of the bullshit Russian bot-farm catalysed internet zeitgeist shitshow.

This is gold.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

To be fair about one thing. As much as everyone is having fun with Laufey. At least Laufey is infinitely better looking than the Fable one who looks like a dude from a Somali pirate ship.

 

[nightfly]

More like Mom of War am i rite!?

 

[Saber]

To be fair about one thing. As much as everyone is having fun with Laufey. At least Laufey is infinitely better looking than the Fable one who looks like a dude from a Somali pirate ship.

I don't think is comparable. That thing from Fable is like a fucking troll, I was honestly surprised they actually stopped that and brought a character creation. Still looks ugly and clanky though, but its something. Hopefully they fix that.

 

[Boneless]

More like Mom of War am i rite!?

God of Kitchen.

 

[John Wick]

On "this" site?
Why you bad mouthing gaf members?

Not all Gaf members are equal

 

[semiconscious]

I think if you played a male lead in the tomb raider universe, you would need to call it something else as well.

this. we've gone from what used to be called 'spin-offs' to 'expanding the franchise'. but, yeah, there's no reason to expect that such efforts will result in universal approval among fans...

 

[John Wick]

He's probably only here cause he got banned from there.

I've always been here first. But I did get banned over there for being anti woke and transgender.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Most people here are pretty level headed.

 

[Moondoggy]

I've always been here first. But I did get banned over there for being anti woke and transgender.

Not all Gaf members are equal

That's a shame to hear, seems like you fit in better over there.

 

[laynelane]

That is part of it for sure, but I think it's also about what would happen if they spoke up (in the event that they do actually believe they were downgraded as opposed to simply believing bs excuses like 'rendering is hard') - they'd be blacklisted by all the other activist devs/publishers and would be put smack dab in the middle of the culture war. It's probably just easier to accept the cheque and move on.

 

[John Wick]

That's a shame to hear, seems like you fit in better over there.

I just call bullshit out whether it's here or there.

 

[Moondoggy]

I just call bullshit out whether it's here or there.

Sure thing

 

[Prodyhig]

PlayStation's thorough transition to a girl brand has become a force multiplier for issues like this now I think.

I do agree Wokecher 4 has been getting off easy in comparison, and in some ways it's worse because Geralt > Kratos and because GoW had already fully embraced woke before Laufey.

But Ciri is explicitly portrayed as a lesbian in The Witcher 3.

How come Kratos embraces woke culture and The Witcher doesn't? lol

You have a double standard depending on the developer and your own tastes; you're not objective at all.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

You lot are so retarded.

Miss me with your bullshit American binary tunnel vision worldview nonesense.

Not everyone is a raging woke tard or a right wing racist manosphere incel.

Just because you're trying desperately to fit into one of these shitty boxes doesn't mean everyone else is.

Some of us are just well adjusted, balanced, normies, living life, raising our families and trying to get by in life, trying to enjoy our gaming hobby whilst doing our best to keep our heads out of the bullshit Russian bot-farm catalysed internet zeitgeist shitshow.

But by all means stay retarded. It's probably more fun for you since you can't get no pussy.

That's alot of buzzwords in there my dude

 

[Fabieter]

I would say people see agendas everywhere these days, even when there are none, because that's where their head is at. And this game... is a clear example of something like that.

Dont know man. The purple colour grading speaks volumes. It actually hurts my eyes.

 

[mrqs]

would love to know the average age of people replying to this thread

 

[laynelane]

Even the critical drinker has to talk about it. Furiosa at least had a different title than Mad Max.

He makes an interesting point about how after years of emotional investment in the series, fans get this (Kratos sidelined in his own series) all so devs can feel good about being inclusive. He also thinks that Sony has started a fight they can't win.

I get the emotional investment part. As a long time fan, seeing a jello cube, a talking ribbon, and GoW starring someone else instead of the actual God of War - I'm just very disappointed. It's also sad seeing a new GoW game being ridiculed and that mockery being deserved.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That is part of it for sure, but I think it's also about what would happen if they spoke up (in the event that they do actually believe they were downgraded as opposed to simply believing bs excuses like 'rendering is hard') - they'd be blacklisted by all the other activist devs/publishers and would be put smack dab in the middle of the culture war. It's probably just easier to accept the cheque and move on.

100%

Hence the emotional and ideological blackmail.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Uncanny....

 

[DeepEnigma]

Uncanny....

Pink is too gender normative,

 

[Bernardougf]

You know what this boils down to for a lot of people?

It's not her "fuckableness" - yeah, sure, there is a small percentage who probably genuinely care about that - but it's what COMES ALONG WITH it. We know why these devs are visually representing their females leads this way. We know why these devs are out here talking about "how she is equal to Kratos as a warrior".

It's the masculinization of women and feminization of men.

Why would your core audience not feel slighted by that?

The "enlightened" ones will try and act cool and say it doesn't matter; but to a majority of men, it does.

You are yelling to death ears... theres lots of valid criticism and the only comeback is "derp incel dont like women derp" strawmaning is the law.

 

[Gamer79]

Guaranteed towards the end of this game, it will show that She was the real hero behind saving the world and not Kratos.

Woke mob and soy boys will eat this up.

 

[Bernardougf]

You lot are so retarded.

Miss me with your bullshit American binary tunnel vision worldview nonesense.

Not everyone is a raging woke tard or a right wing racist manosphere incel.

Just because you're trying desperately to fit into one of these shitty boxes doesn't mean everyone else is.

Some of us are just well adjusted, balanced, normies, living life, raising our families and trying to get by in life, trying to enjoy our gaming hobby whilst doing our best to keep our heads out of the bullshit Russian bot-farm catalysed internet zeitgeist shitshow.

But by all means stay retarded. It's probably more fun for you since you can't get no pussy.

Yeah I can really feel you are a well adjusted and balanced individual.

 

[Fake]

Never seen PS pre-emptively try to damage control.

Guessing they are spooked.

This time will be hard to fix the damage.

If the ideia was to impress the liberal gamers from UK and USA I really don't know, but there is a world outside UK and USA.

Kratos is vastly popular outside those countries, they shouldn't understimate the love people have for Kratos. They just need to accept whatever the damage will come after the release.

I know for once that Brazil hated the remote ideia of removing Kratos from his own IP.

 

[Black_Stride]

Because when you get into it it's not really about wokeness but really about platform wars.
This culture wars bollocks is a point of attack against PlayStation.
That's not to say there are a few weirdos who are not happy because of perceived wokeness, but just look at the majority of posters creating the fuss.
They're pcmr/Xbox fanatics

That's why you see the hypocrisy when it's games from their platforms of choice doing the same thing

This has got little to nothing to do with platform wars, the Anti-Woke crowd are just like this.
If you think its Xbox or lol PC fans going against God of War Laufey for reasons be serious.
Look at the people criticizing even for a second and look up their post histories, youll see they are just part of the Anti-Woke who are reaching deranged levels at this point.

 

[laynelane]

100%

Hence the emotional and ideological blackmail.

I find myself more and more grateful that Gaf is a space where such topics can be openly discussed. There is no mob rule (which is one of the results of the blackmail you mention, imo - being cast out from a group can be a strong motivator to tow the line, for example) because the mods are on top of things. It gives us a chance to discuss these topics and gain a better understanding of where we stand on them - which is invaluable.

 

[Dr. Suchong]

would love to know the average age of people replying to this thread

Chronological or Mental?

 

[DeepEnigma]

would love to know the average age of people replying to this thread

 

[DForce]

Even the critical drinker has to talk about it. Furiosa at least had a different title than Mad Max.

Yeah, I'm sure no one is surprised that Critical Drinker, Grummz, Vara Dark, and SmashJT are going to talk about this.