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[Spoilers] Is Saros another woke slop from Sony?

I think it is here important to point out that so long as we are discussing tropes and stereotypes, Returnal, at bottom, is literally about how a woman is a bad driver.
The story to me is much more interesting if I omit the car crash and believe Selene is exploring an ancient civilization that brought itself to ruin. The uh it was all a dream or nightmare just cheapens the whole thing IMO. But it's pretty clear with the story spoilers being in the OT for the game it's another one of those fun shooter games with a nonsense story.
 
I don't need to read the synopsis because I'm actually playing the game. If this was a narrative-focused walking simulator, I can get on board, but I've never played a Housemarque game for its story. The gameplay loop is great and the shooting feels buttery smooth, and that's what I'm playing the game for, just like every other Housemarque game.
There's nothing wrong with liking a woke game. I like some. I liked Yotei and actually thought it did some different things with its story I liked, which are not the usual woke slop, but still, it is what it is.

People on this forum has this weird tendency to claim they don't like woke games and the woke games they like aren't actually woke. which is of course nonsense. I saw people on here claim Spiderman 2 isn't actually woke.
 
poodaddy poodaddy You might as well repeat your post about Ad Hominem, because the amount of people doing it/pushing members aside without even touching the subject is insane, beyond Goku power levels.
 
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C'mon man you are better than this. So I am retarded for calling out what is clearly wokism in a videogame? You might dont agree with my position and you can argue but insulting people for thinking differently is very low. I am very dissapointed to see you taking this stance





It's confirmed

I never called you retarded. Im just tired of these type of drama threads on this site and their popularity. People engaging with ccu threads and these kind of topics a lot more than actual game conversations. This is why i hated the purple forum.
 
This is actully insulting to lesbians. It feeds into the false stereotype that women are lesbians because a man did something to them. Say what you want about TLOU2 but Ellie is gay all on her own. It has nothing to do with men.
 
Its not about the stories being the same, its about reducing things down to a point where all nuance and authorial intention is lost in order to make it fit with a predetermined meta-narrative.

i.e in SH2 every male character is some sort of abuser, ergo the writers must hate all men.

It's just brain-rot. People seeing what they want to see so they have something to problematize and virtue signal about.
I agree with your last statement - that definitely happens.

But it seems like you are using a modern lens to try and force a false equivalence between the two games having a very broadly similar plot thread.

It's easy to sit here in 2026, when the intent of the western games industry at large has been to shovel these "woke" ideals into the games themselves.

Trying to look back, with the fortuitous nature of hindsight and apply this to a game from 25 years ago, seems try hard.
 
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I wouldn't call this woke, but it is the type on content that I wouldn't consume because I find it to be morally problematic. Skipping entertainment today has become more frequent for me as it has become more explicit in violence, sex, and supporting morally dubious characters.

Someone here was talking about the Color Purple movie earlier. I remember reading that book in HS and thinking this is explicit garbage that I don't want to read. Sure, these things may have some good underlying messages, but I find it unnecessary to get the message across that way.

The problem today is that people aren't allowed to take a stand on something without being labeled and extremist on either side. That's because the fringes are so vocal and have undermined the ability to respectfully disagree.
 
The story to me is much more interesting if I omit the car crash and believe Selene is exploring an ancient civilization that brought itself to ruin. The uh it was all a dream or nightmare just cheapens the whole thing IMO. But it's pretty clear with the story spoilers being in the OT for the game it's another one of those fun shooter games with a nonsense story.
Yes the cosmic horror vibes were much more interesting to me than the story being a supposed hallucination of some sorts.

I have finished Returnal and the dlc but have not yet made the full run from start to finish to unlock the true ending. I think I did watch it on YouTube though.
 
The good ending is that the wife becomes lesbian?

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Its hard to tell if some really believes something or is just a .. " Leave Sony Alone !! " :unsure:

If this was published by EA or Ubisoft nobody would be defending it.

People just have to accept this is the current meta to getting good metacritic scores. Look at Veilguard metascore compared to people who actually liked the game.

This is also has diversity consultants written all over it. I doubt that left to their own devices Housemarque would do this. Maybe this is why the Returnal/ Nex Machina director quit after being there so long.
 
I don't need to read the synopsis because I'm actually playing the game. If this was a narrative-focused walking simulator, I can get on board, but I've never played a Housemarque game for its story. The gameplay loop is great and the shooting feels buttery smooth, and that's what I'm playing the game for, just like every other Housemarque game.

The point of the thread topic was to discuss the story.

Just because you don't care about it in Housmarque games, doesn't mean that ALL gamers don't. You do not equal nor represent all gamers. So, those who do care about story in their games are here engaging in this discussion and calling out what sounds like a woke propaganda slop-fest... and rightly so.
 
Do you fuckwits ever tire of this stupid culture war?
"Man, just shut up and pay 100 bucks for the privilege of being lectured on how everything you believe in is 'a social construct' and why aspiring to protect and save others is a 'deeply problematic behavior'. Also, being attracted to beautiful women is fucking gross."
 
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Wish the studio gettig close for a slop
Why do they want to impose their damn ideology to us?? Keep your gay things for your X/ facebook profile.
 
It's the Modern Audience way. All women characters need to be at least one of:

1. Unattractive
2. Gay
3. Insufferable zero-charisma girlboss
Very lame and if I was a woman I would be pissed: almost feels like the writers are implying that a woman can only be heroic if she isn't feminine.
 
The "gee whiz, I don't even know what woke means anymore, you guys are worse than the woke people" people are the worst of all.

it's absolutely woke, doesn't mean it should get a whole thread with hundreds of replies... on a forum that supposedly disallowed politics btw...

it's tiring and leads to literally nothing. that's why you are the same as the woke crowd. usless pandering with no results, about a game where 99% of players couldn't even give half a shit about the story or the characters in it in the first place.
 
People have lost their minds these days.

If you don't like a story or a game then it's ok to just move on to something you like.


The game literally makes false advertisement. It's not about liking or not liking its story. If I'm buying a game with a cool dude shooting stuff with a big gun, what I don't expect, nor I want, is a Reddit-level sex drama in it. Genre tropes exist for a reason. In dark and epic fantasy, you don't find teen love triangles.

The reveal of this story is a "Surprise motherfucker!" moment to anyone who doesn't know what they are getting into.

There's an obvious reason why Housemarquee absolutely concealed any of this in its marketing. They knew it would sink the game and many people wouldn't give it a chance, being legitimately good from a pure gameplay perspective.
 
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I agree with your last statement - that definitely happens.

But it seems like you are using a modern lens to try and force a false equivalence between the two games having a very broadly similar plot thread.

It's easy to sit here in 2026, when the intent of the western games industry at large has been to shovel these "woke" ideals into the games themselves.

Trying to look back, with the fortuitous nature of hindsight and apply this to a game from 25 years ago, seems try hard.

I've not had chance to play Saros yet, it unlocked at midnight and I've been working all day so I can't say based on actual experience.
For obvious reasons I'm not going to ruin the experience for myself based on Reddit spoilers either.

The whole point I've been making is that people see what they want to see if it fits their preconceptions/world-view, and its really easy to craft specious "proofs" by being selectively reductive in describing things.

I mean, like I said in an earlier post, its all about the analytical lens in use. The framing is definitional because it excludes what lies outside.

Factual accuracy does not prove truthfulness, because you can cherry pick facts and interpretations to craft a conclusion of your choice.
 
Very lame and if I was a woman I would be pissed: almost feels like the writers are implying that a woman can only be heroic if she isn't feminine.

It's paradoxical and insulting as fuck.

For these bog standard, leftist vanity projects, the creative leads feel the need to make their female characters into men. by giving them traditionally male attributes.

Basically they are saying, "what it means to be a woman doesn't cut it to be a protagonist/hero in a story. You got to be more like a dude."

That is unironically misogynistic.
 
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Very lame and if I was a woman I would be pissed: almost feels like the writers are implying that a woman can only be heroic if she isn't feminine.
I think girls should be hot, orientation optional(there are quite a few great games where the characters lesbian but well written where it's just a trait not the entire character) and they should be high charisma to weasel their way out of tough situations. That's what the writers should be starting with. Otherwise you just turn a character into a recycled trope with no identity which is just ironic since usually the goal for these girlboss types is to have an identity.
 
There's nothing wrong with liking a woke game. I like some. I liked Yotei and actually thought it did some different things with its story I liked, which are not the usual woke slop, but still, it is what it is.

I liked Yotei as well. I think for that game, because the VA is pretty vocally woke IRL. So some people attribute that wokeness onto the game, which I don't think is warranted.
 
The first game also sucked donkey dick.
First level was amazing.

And it went fucking downhill afterwards.
Items sucked for a roguelike
It looked okay.

This so called sequel is so not needed 😂

Go play hades 2 instead
 
The point of the thread topic was to discuss the story.

Just because you don't care about it in Housmarque games, doesn't mean that ALL gamers don't. You do not equal nor represent all gamers. So, those who do care about story in their games are here engaging in this discussion and calling out what sounds like a woke propaganda slop-fest... and rightly so.

1. Never claimed to speak for or represent anyone. All of my statements start with "I". Never used "we" or "you".
2. I did comment on the story. I didn't care for it. It's generic slop. The gameplay is what shines in this game.
 
I think girls should be hot, orientation optional(there are quite a few great games where the characters lesbian but well written where it's just a trait not the entire character) and they should be high charisma to weasel their way out of tough situations. That's what the writers should be starting with. Otherwise you just turn a character into a recycled trope with no identity which is just ironic since usually the goal for these girlboss types is to have an identity.
It's so awful. Like the only way they know how to make a "strong female character" is by making her some smug know-it-all who bosses people around, and by making all the men stupid, meek, or cocksure so that she looks superior in comparison.

Nobody fucking likes characters like this aside from far left activist types, and I'm convinced most of them are just pretending to like it because they think it's what they're supposed to like and they want approval from their peers.
 
"what it means to be a woman doesn't cut it to be a protagonist/hero in a story. You got to be more like a dude."
Exactly man. I grew up playing games on a N64 and a GC and a lot of those games let you play as female characters that were cool, yet still feminine and attractive and I never saw any issue with that. Don't and probably will never understand why they insist so much on giving them male traits nowadays or making them look ugly on purpose, it's weird.

Because the problem isn't people not wanting to play as females or whatever, but imo, people being tired of lame characters that seem to been pulled out of the cheapest Netflix show.
 
This is actully insulting to lesbians. It feeds into the false stereotype that women are lesbians because a man did something to them. Say what you want about TLOU2 but Ellie is gay all on her own. It has nothing to do with men.

False. Longest relationship of my life with a girl I de virginized. We broke up due to me wanting to see other people. She was crushed and heartbroken... and she has now been married to a woman going on 12 years or more.

My dick makes you gay is what I'm saying.
 
I've not had chance to play Saros yet, it unlocked at midnight and I've been working all day so I can't say based on actual experience.
For obvious reasons I'm not going to ruin the experience for myself based on Reddit spoilers either.

The whole point I've been making is that people see what they want to see if it fits their preconceptions/world-view, and its really easy to craft specious "proofs" by being selectively reductive in describing things.

I mean, like I said in an earlier post, its all about the analytical lens in use. The framing is definitional because it excludes what lies outside.

Factual accuracy does not prove truthfulness, because you can cherry pick facts and interpretations to craft a conclusion of your choice.
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment - You are talking about confirmation bias, and that is used by people from all perspectives to suss out their preferred outrage, agenda, etc…

But, I think your stated line of thinking, while i agree is accurate and many engage in, comes off like you're attempting to handwave away genuine frustrations and concerns people have with how narratives, characterizations and ideologies are placed into modern games; and drilling down more specifically western triple AAA modern games.
 
Imagine putting those guys into the remake of the first Resident Evil.

Ending A, Ending B, Ending C, Ending D and Ending E being Chris losing Jill to lesbian Rebeca.

I mean, what even the point of putting a straight man as a main character if you don't like straight men? To bait consumers to buying your game because of the boxart?

This feels like watching Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny all over again. They literally put someone who hate Indiana Jones to write the movie.
 
Imagine putting those guys into the remake of the first Resident Evil.

Ending A, Ending B, Ending C, Ending D and Ending E being Chris losing Jill to lesbian Rebeca.

I mean, what even the point of putting a straight man as a main character if you don't like straight men? To bait consumers to buying your game because of the boxart?

This feels like watching Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny all over again. They literally put someone who hate Indiana Jones to write the movie.
Gist of the matter is that those people don't want to make a good movie or game, but to "send a message" or, most probably, feed their own ego via some "vengeance against the status quo" only they care about.

Or maybe they just suck at being writers, who knows.
 
I want to play a fun game and explore a mysterious alien planet.

I'm not.. really excited to play as a cheating man trying to win back his wife, only for him to leave him for his coworker.

This.. isn't like a world I want to live in for fun. Why can't we just have a deep sci fi adventure that's about the lost civilization.. not some symbolic representation of relationship drama.
 
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