I get it. I'm being a bit of a smart ass. I do know they need to make back that money. I'm not oblivious to the facts here. I'm just stating that it's quite funny a company worth over 3 trillion needs to make money back!!!
Check the BOM break up.
Most expensive components are SSD and RAM.
According to MLID, Sony might be working on a cheaper PS6S type console alongside the main PS6.
The idea is basically a cut down version of the same APU used in the PS6 handheld, just without the screen and battery. So more like a small traditional living room console focused on efficiency and cost rather than high end performance.
If this turns out to be real, pricing could land somewhere around $350 to $550, making it the entry level option in a possible three tier setup. PS6 as the premium...
Sony fanboys.
Is Jez a Sony fanboy?
I don't think these rumors are true, though; it doesn't even make sense compared to whatever Sony did. The difference between Sony and MS in this case is that Sony only makes like 3% of its sales from the PC, at this point, Xbox makes over 80% of its sales from PC and PlayStation. What's the upside for MS here?
I get what you are saying, but that doesn't make sense to me.
Of course, where would it have the external GPU in otherwise?So do we think Helix will have an external power brick to keep it console sized?
I still dont get it why people are mad about a external powerbrickSo do we think Helix will have an external power brick to keep it console sized?
Gotta be upset about something. That's as good a thing as any I guess.
If they don't build a 96 or 154 CU Xbox PC, then I hope they allow eGPU support with Thunderbolt 5 on the Helix Consoles. Both options would be even better.
Same here, I have never understood this nonsense. If you ask me, not only does an external brick ensure the console is smaller and easier to cool, it's also a no-brainer plus for reparability and or modularity.
Isn't it rumored to be 68CU?
68 CU = Helix Flagship Console
Another nonsensical misrepresentation of facts dressed up as rumors.
You sound so confident when wrong. Yes, they can add the Magnus SOC to any RDNA5 die, it's a chiplet design. And yes, MS is going to supply those APUs to OEMs at cost.
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You sound so confident when wrong. Yes, they can add the Magnus SOC to any RDNA5 die, it's a chiplet design. And yes, MS is going to supply those APUs to OEMs at cost.
Maybe do some research first. I will make it easy for ya.
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It was an embeded SRam configuration for VRam with ultra-low bandwidth DRam - that's as far from stock as you can be in PC space - and that's before AMD even had LPDDR offerings at all.
For 1X I'm not sure - though I recall they played with caches a fair bit compared to Stock. It shows in results too IMO - most of the situations where it outperformed expectations (or others underperformed) is memory bound scenarios, and the slight bandwidth increase doesn't account for the deltas.
The main things SX added was additional cache flush manual controls (serving the same purpose as cache scrubbers, just less elaborate) and modifications to texture-sampling shader ops that make Sampler Feedback more practical to use. Ie. when implementing SFS on Series X, you don't have to jump through as many hoops as you do on other GPUs.
To use an example from Assassins Creed Shadows disclosure on performance:
Nope. But I think there is an estimation of about 10% of the installed base.
To use an example from Assassins Creed Shadows disclosure on performance:
If we take AMD's most optimistic estimate for PS6 performance of 3x raster and 10x RT we would get on PS6
Screen space tracing 0.54ms -> 0.18ms
World space tracing 1.38ms -> 0.14ms
Lighting 1.17ms -> 0.39ms
Denoising 1.91ms -> 0.64ms
Total 5.00ms -> 1.35ms
Unfortunately there's no performance data for everything else in the frame, but IIRC it's a pretty stable 30 FPS on RT mode, so I think we can estimate around 25ms for everything else, so roughly 8.33ms on PS6.
So ignoring the frame cap, the total frametime on PS5 would be around 30ms (~33.33 average FPS) and 9.68ms (~103.3 average FPS) on PS6.
In this case despite the "10x RT" performance increase, the real world performance is only 3.10x that of the PS5 since there's actually not much RT going on.
On titles with heavier RT or Path Tracing of course the gap would be much bigger, but even in those cases the raster/compute portion of the frametime is still generally over 50%, so a "10x RT" increase doesn't reach anywhere near a 10x FPS increase.
Broseph, I just need to know if PS6 can do RE9 with Path Traving at 60fps in PSSR3 performance. KEEP DA HOPE ALICE!To use an example from Assassins Creed Shadows disclosure on performance:
If we take AMD's most optimistic estimate for PS6 performance of 3x raster and 10x RT we would get on PS6
Screen space tracing 0.54ms -> 0.18ms
World space tracing 1.38ms -> 0.14ms
Lighting 1.17ms -> 0.39ms
Denoising 1.91ms -> 0.64ms
Total 5.00ms -> 1.35ms
Unfortunately there's no performance data for everything else in the frame, but IIRC it's a pretty stable 30 FPS on RT mode, so I think we can estimate around 25ms for everything else, so roughly 8.33ms on PS6.
So ignoring the frame cap, the total frametime on PS5 would be around 30ms (~33.33 average FPS) and 9.68ms (~103.3 average FPS) on PS6.
In this case despite the "10x RT" performance increase, the real world performance is only 3.10x that of the PS5 since there's actually not much RT going on.
On titles with heavier RT or Path Tracing of course the gap would be much bigger, but even in those cases the raster/compute portion of the frametime is still generally over 50%, so a "10x RT" increase doesn't reach anywhere near a 10x FPS increase.
So what you are saying is.... They are custom, just some more than others
Maybe? Currently the 4080 with PT, 4k DLSS performance is around 40fps in that first street. But that is also the most demanding part of the game. Later segments are usually ~60fps. Depends on well PSSR+RR does on the PS6 and if Capcom can optimize the PT mode a bit more. 900p->4k should be more than fine if not.
So what you are saying is.... They are custom, just some more than others
I'm curious, where did you get that " newer full RDNA5" from?
Far more modern architecture. Better raytracing, upscaling techniques. Its nonsensical to simply compares the flops /cores.lol so the PS6S will cheaper than handheld ? The handheld it self is 0.5x the PS5. So PS6S will not even be on par with the PS5 and definitely worse than the Pro
Thx.
I was hanging on for the 5080 Super for this exact reason, then it was cancelled
typical Nvidia. the 60 series has to have 24GB for the 6080 next time.
It will be higher than that (and that was only the APU part, need to add GDDR7 ram, the others chipsets etc).
"Yo, Monica! Come 25% faster this thing for me, will ya?"
If I end up being wrong, I will just as confidently come here and eat crow. I just do not trust anything at all MS says. I believe they are making just the one devise, and maybe, a handheld too. But we will see I guess.You sound so confident when wrong. Yes, they can add the Magnus SOC to any RDNA5 die, it's a chiplet design. And yes, MS is going to supply those APUs to OEMs at cost.
Maybe do some research first. I will make it easy for ya.
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Yup... I have been musing for a while that the PS6 will be around the 5070ti in performance. And the 4080 is just like 2% faster.
It should, a 5070ti does RE9 PT in 1080p/1440p/4k using DLSS quality at 66fps/49fps/27fps respectively. And you can use FG to double those framerates.
I think it was a great idea, if it breaks it's easily replaced without having to send the console off for repair. And it keeps the system smaller and probably cooler.
It likely won't be much bigger because these titles would still be limited by shading and compute performance on a part where "10x" is only for RT.
Prob the 10th time you've posted that as some kind of evidence ...You sound so confident when wrong. Yes, they can add the Magnus SOC to any RDNA5 die, it's a chiplet design. And yes, MS is going to supply those APUs to OEMs at cost.
Maybe do some research first. I will make it easy for ya.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
