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Next-gen PS6, Xbox Project Helix may cost $1,000 at launch, analysts warn | Xbox and Switch 2 could also get future price hikes to combat inflation
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Generic
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Games are already $100, you pay $60 for the standard edition with no DLC.
funking giblet
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I can think of two editions. $100 for the "you own it" version, and the $0 "you don't".
Self High Five
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The reason it may costs $1,200- $1,300 is because there is enough people like you who are will to pay $1,200- $1,300, nothing to do with cramming as much shit into a box as possible.
They'll have a 800-900 BOM box and come up with all the excuses in the world for it to retail $1,300 (AI, tariffs, etc) and you'll believe it and buy it at that price.
StereoVsn
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I thought they were talking at one point about having OEMs like Asus build on Helix platform with MS hardware being "demonstration" device so to speak. Kind of like Nvidia FE cards.Microsoft confirmed a while back that it's just one device.
Edit: Which makes sense as we've only ever heard about one.
Nintendo's Witch
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The RAM crisis is expected to last almost till 2030 + hyperinflation so yeah, I can totally see it…
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Their new prices for the PS5 are already too much for many.
SupremeJ
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StreetsofBeige
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People hoping new Sony CEO and CFO bean counters are going to do a $200-300 subsidy like the PS3 days. lol
At a $200 subsidy, if PS6 sells 10M units before chip and tariff costs go down to normal, that's $2B of losses on hardware right off the bat.
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Tobimacoss
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Microsoft confirmed a while back that it's just one device.
Edit: Which makes sense as we've only ever heard about one.
So Project Scarlett was revealed in June 2019 and the existence of Series S was not leaked until September 2020, 6-7 weeks before Series Consoles launch in November 2020.
MS has reiterated multiple times that they are building an entire portfolio of devices, and Jez has stated the OEMs will be doing both the cheaper and more powerful devices.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
Microsoft: First Prototype Kits for Next-Gen Xbox Ship in 2027
At GDC, Xbox VP Jason Ronald lays out the company's vision for the future of Microsoft's console.
Microsoft outs Xbox Project Helix: 'We want to break down the artificial barriers between PC and console'
Microsoft committed to shipping its next-gen console to developers in 2027, and listed several of its features. They should look familiar to PC gamers.
www.pcworld.com
Next-gen Xbox console could be joined by even more powerful “super-premium”partner offerings
Windows Central says the next Xbox console will essentially double-up as a fully-functional Windows machine. Alongside Microsoft’s console, third-party OEMs will work on delivering a similar experience across all price segments.
www.notebookcheck.net
So Jason Ronald stated at GDC on March 11 that they're doing a family of Silicon for a family of devices. Jez has stated OEMs will be doing the cheaper and the more expensive super premium variants.
We already know of the Magnus CPU SOC that can be paired up with any of the 5 RDNA5 GPU dies. Helix premium console is only Magnus AT2. They could easily do Magnus AT3, and Magnus AT4 for cheaper consoles with 48 and 24 CUs respectively. And the much more powerful Magnus AT1 or AT0 Xbox PCs.
The unified GDK Helix SKU of games will scale hardware at any power level, so there are definitely going to be multiple devices at various power levels and price points.
I am expecting $599, $899, $1199 SKUs for Helix Consoles. 24, 48, 68 CUs.
Helix Handhelds will be either 12/24 CU SKUs or 16/24 CU SKUs. $599 and $999.
Xbox PCs with 96 CUs or up to 144 CUs would go beyond $2k.
Helix midrange with Magnus AT3 with 48 CUs would be comparable in performance to PS6 Orion with 52 CUs at $799.
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ReasonBeing
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I mean, you could completely ignore my qualifier but that would be pretty dumb. Oh wait....
bitbydeath
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Maybe Project Helix is referring to MS's machine only, excluding 3rd party devices?So Project Scarlett was revealed in June 2019 and the existence of Series S was not leaked until September 2020, 6-7 weeks before Series Consoles launch in November 2020.
MS has reiterated multiple times that they are building an entire portfolio of devices, and Jez has stated the OEMs will be doing both the cheaper and more powerful devices.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
Microsoft: First Prototype Kits for Next-Gen Xbox Ship in 2027
At GDC, Xbox VP Jason Ronald lays out the company's vision for the future of Microsoft's console.tech.yahoo.com
Microsoft outs Xbox Project Helix: 'We want to break down the artificial barriers between PC and console'
Microsoft committed to shipping its next-gen console to developers in 2027, and listed several of its features. They should look familiar to PC gamers.
Next-gen Xbox console could be joined by even more powerful “super-premium”partner offerings
Windows Central says the next Xbox console will essentially double-up as a fully-functional Windows machine. Alongside Microsoft’s console, third-party OEMs will work on delivering a similar experience across all price segments.
So Jason Ronald stated at GDC on March 11 that they're doing a family of Silicon for a family of devices. Jez has stated OEMs will be doing the cheaper and the more expensive super premium variants.
We already know of the Magnus CPU SOC that can be paired up with any of the 5 RDNA5 GPU dies. Helix premium console is only Magnus AT2. They could easily do Magnus AT3, and Magnus AT4 for cheaper consoles with 48 and 24 CUs respectively. And the much more powerful Magnus AT1 or AT0 Xbox PCs.
The unified GDK Helix SKU of games will scale hardware at any power level, so there are definitely going to be multiple devices at various power levels and price points.
I am expecting $599, $899, $1199 SKUs for Helix Consoles. 24, 48, 68 CUs.
Helix Handhelds will be either 12/24 CU SKUs or 16/24 CU SKUs. $599 and $999.
Xbox PCs with 96 CUs or up to 144 CUs would go beyond $2k.
Helix midrange with Magnus AT3 with 48 CUs would be comparable in performance to PS6 Orion with 52 CUs at $799.
Either that or Asha has since made a few changes behind the scenes.
I collect VHS tapes
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I would be fine spending $1k on either an Xbox or PlayStation if I had any confidence that either knew what they were doing
Sony is still going balls deep in live service BS and woke BS and MS doesn't know what the fuck they're doing
If Nintendo could just produce a next gen level console that could play all the 3rd party games great it would be the only device I need
Sony is still going balls deep in live service BS and woke BS and MS doesn't know what the fuck they're doing
If Nintendo could just produce a next gen level console that could play all the 3rd party games great it would be the only device I need
asdasdasdbb
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I think MS is just going to make available/sell the Magnus die to OEMs. And that includes die configurations other than what Helix is, including the full die and other/more/less memory.
DEAD ORIGINAL
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If u can't spend a £1000 on a new console every 7 years you're on benefits, shit job or you're wife's got U on a leash.
SegaSnatcher
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Sony has made some dumb movies in the past, but I really do not believe they would actually price the PS6 at $1K, that would be disasterous for sales.
cash_longfellow
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It's cute that you think more expensive means they are going to put anything extra in it.
SegaSnatcher
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"For PS6, we want people to say to themselves "I will work more hours to afford it".
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Can is not the same as want to. Even if I can spend $1000 on a smartphone I don't want to do that. There's always the cost/benefit calculation. People may have a lot of other hobbies they'd rather spend that extra cash on. But sure, if you don't have a life outside of gaming and you crave console "high-end" graphics then it makes sense to not care about the cost.
Shadowstar39
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They also subsidize trade ins. If I want a new Samsung Galaxy they give a $800 to 900 trade in if I keep my contract. That means paying off $400 in 3 years. These consoles ofder none of that.
They used to eat the cost and the games paid for the hardware until chips got cheaper. The problem is they got greedy. It's why they don't care about making woke games no one wants because they can loose millions and still get profit off hardware. We'll with everyone broke or laid off, can't afford utilities(Thanks Ai) or priced out (again thanks Ai) who is going to buy? These companies are short sighted all of them.
alabtrosMyster
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Whatever, it will be years before things get back to normal after what's coming in the next couple of weeks with the devastation caused by the war.
sncvsrtoip
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You have to compare to what pc part will be available end of 2027 and later in 2028, probably rtx 6xxx series. Consoles are doomed when they are close to 1k $ price region.
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Deficit
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Do you see the economy right now, moron?
Mr.Phoenix
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The comparison time frame makes sense; however, I believe nothing changes.
Now, if Sony is selling a $1000 console simply because they want to mark it up by $300, then yes, consoles are doomed. But if Sony is selling a $1000 console, and even at that, they are losing money because of the cost of components? Then that will affect everyone. And everything just rises too. So if you needed to spend 30% more to build an equivalent-specced PC vs the PS5, it will be the same thing with the PS6, and likely even more expensive than 30% more.
Steve Holt
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Jason Ronald famously said the XSS was designed to have the exact same experience as the XSX just at a lower resolution.
And that promise was broken weeks into launch. He's either deliberately misleading and lied to millions and/or totally inept at his job.
ReasonBeing
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I find it cute when someone can't wrap their head around what an idealized scenario is. Especially when I basically spelled it out.
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Haint
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The plan is to continue selling base PS5 as the entry level "affordable" console while PS6 will slot in as a PS5 Super Pro or PS5 "Path Tracing Edition". There's very obviously not going to be any PS6 exclusive software.
What their plan overlooks though is that the new hardware generation is what keeps interest in consoles and videogames going just in general. The console market will fall off a cliff hard with a 10+ year old and busted PS5 being the only semi-affordable option (if you can even call $650 affordable). A $1000+ PS6 will be an insignificant niche like PS5 Pro is (currently under 3 million units and less than 3% of the user base, PS5 Pro was a certified bomba of epic proportions even at the $780 launch price, never mind the $1000 current price). This will inevitably lead to a modern day videogame crash, or rather a precipitous decline for the industry as a whole. You have to have new hardware and generations to keep the market interested in spending money on everything (games, subs, and hardware), the industry will fall hard with 10+ year old hardware and $1000+ hardware being the only options.
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ThroatPie
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Just saw a 5070 build for $1400 at costco. Why would anyone want these machines for $1,000 plus? I'm a Sony dickrider and former Xbox rat and i will buy one of the two at launch most likely but for any sane person why not just get a prebuilt?
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reinking
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You posted a pic of a display model for sale. Reg price is a bit higher. That being said, there are some people that prefer consoles.Just saw a 5070 build for $1400 at costco. Why would anyone want these machines for $1,000 plus? I'm a Sony dickrider and former Xbox rat and i will buy one of the two at launch most likely but for any sane person why not just get a prebuilt?
It's going to be the PS6 lite. Without the screen, battery and buttons. $499
Modular with PS portal 2 would be awesome. I couldn't ai generate a more sleek version, but something like this. PS Portal 2 will both be a streaming machine and a housing/casing for PS6 lite for gaming on the go.
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PauloRoberto
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With all due respect... your own photo says DISPLAY ONLY, WAS 1899.99.Just saw a 5070 build for $1400 at costco. Why would anyone want these machines for $1,000 plus? I'm a Sony dickrider and former Xbox rat and i will buy one of the two at launch most likely but for any sane person why not just get a prebuilt?
So, regular price is US$ 1900.
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Jason Ronald....known liar and bullshit artist.
ThroatPie
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So what's your point? You CAN get a 5070 prebuilt for $1400. I don't even have a Costco around me, this was from Reddit.
ThroatPie
Banned
You posted a pic of a display model for sale. Reg price is a bit higher. That being said, there are some people that prefer consoles.
I prefer consoles too, always have, but if companies are going to jack prices up past $1,000 it might be worth it to look into it especially with all the people complaining on here.
I'm day 1 on either a PS6 or Helix no matter the price.
Sanepar
Member
Nope, they Just want to enforce the change of hw consumption. They want people renting on cloud.
I just don't know how Sony will do that since they don't have a properly cloud infrastructure.
Next gen MS has everything favouring them with Xbox cloud ready.
You understand the visual quality of Xbox streaming is garbage compared to PS Cloud and other cloud providers? Big talk by Nutella about Azure doesnt actually amount to better performance for gaming.
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PauloRoberto
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The same way you CAN hve a second hand video game (or , in this case, a display only videogame), i dont'understand your point. If you have to compare a brand new video game with a NOT brand new PC, your comparison is biased, evidently.
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RCU005
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Sony had their worst generation with the PS3 because the thing cost $599. It was until they reduced the price to $299 that the PS3 started to take off.
People reluctantly accepted the $499 price tag of the PS5 because there was a digital only version for people that wouldn't care much and because the specs were fine at the time.
So now, people will happily purchase a $700 to $1000 just because? A $1,000 PS6 is the equivalent of the PS3 costing $800 at the time instead of $600.
The biggest problem with this rising prices is that people still buy them and greedy companies are still breaking sales records.
You'll see, they'll say that the PS5 Pro is breaking sales forecasts even at $900. People are dumb! They should be going bankrupt, but no.
People reluctantly accepted the $499 price tag of the PS5 because there was a digital only version for people that wouldn't care much and because the specs were fine at the time.
So now, people will happily purchase a $700 to $1000 just because? A $1,000 PS6 is the equivalent of the PS3 costing $800 at the time instead of $600.
The biggest problem with this rising prices is that people still buy them and greedy companies are still breaking sales records.
You'll see, they'll say that the PS5 Pro is breaking sales forecasts even at $900. People are dumb! They should be going bankrupt, but no.
ThroatPie
Banned
I don't even have a gaming PC anymore lmfao. I have a PS5 pro, switch 2 and that's it but go on. Just talking sense.
Sanepar
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Sony service can't even play ps5 games without properly ps hardware. It is a joke, Just old shit ps4 and ps3 games.
RickMasters
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And I'm still gonna buy one. Mostly looking forward to playing everything in my back log at 60FPS with resolution improvements ( thinking of stuff like Callisto protocol, immortals of aveum etc, that don't perform so great on XSX/PS5. And are compromised even on PS5 pro)
Mr.Phoenix
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You are telling someone that instead of buying a potentially $1000 console, they could buy a $1400 PC... that would be weaker than said consoles, mind you, and that they can get at that price if they are lucky.
All on the core assumption that they just want to get anything at all, and just went into a store to get something they can play games on.
That's not making sense, sir... it's pushing an agenda.
Salty Pickle
Member
Or they'll do what perhaps makes more sense economically, start gaming on GeForce now instead.
How many months worth of gaming do you get for $1400 on the different streaming platforms?
This is why console prices need to be way lower than that.