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Next-gen PS6, Xbox Project Helix may cost $1,000 at launch, analysts warn | Xbox and Switch 2 could also get future price hikes to combat inflation
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ReasonBeing
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Oddly, I'm hoping for it to cost a little more, maybe $1,200- $1,300. I'm in the minority, but I want as much shit crammed into this hybrid PC as possible. Referring specifically to Helix, of course.
Also, I'm working under the assumption that the margin would be staying consistent from the alleged $1,000 price and the prices that I suggested. I don't expect this to be a popular opinion, and I get that.
Edit: at least one person is having trouble with this, so I'll explain. I gave an idealized scenario. This in no way is a prediction of how the margin will indeed be determined. Luckily for us, the Helix will not release in a vacuum. We will have the PS6, with a SoC that is also designed by AMD, so some price per performance comparisons will be able to be performed.
Also, I'm working under the assumption that the margin would be staying consistent from the alleged $1,000 price and the prices that I suggested. I don't expect this to be a popular opinion, and I get that.
Edit: at least one person is having trouble with this, so I'll explain. I gave an idealized scenario. This in no way is a prediction of how the margin will indeed be determined. Luckily for us, the Helix will not release in a vacuum. We will have the PS6, with a SoC that is also designed by AMD, so some price per performance comparisons will be able to be performed.
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Tobimacoss
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Helix is not just one single device, it's an entire portfolio of devices including cheaper consoles. So only the Premium Xbox Console will be $1200+.
bitbydeath
Member
Microsoft confirmed a while back that it's just one device.
Edit: Which makes sense as we've only ever heard about one.
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Tobimacoss
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Pretty sure they didn't, unless you got a link.
bitbydeath
Member
Sorry, edited it in above.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For any gamers pissed at the high prices of consoles and dont give a shit about playing their old games, buying a new PC is pricey too (assuming your current PC isnt great and need to upgrade it).
But you can always dump your PS5 or SX next gen. Get whatever it's worth on Ebay (PS5 and SX are going for $500+ in Canada) and put it towards the PC. You'll also save on annual MP sub plan fees and Steam games on deal will be a bit cheaper too. So you'll get some savings there too unless youre someone who values all those sub plan games.
But you can always dump your PS5 or SX next gen. Get whatever it's worth on Ebay (PS5 and SX are going for $500+ in Canada) and put it towards the PC. You'll also save on annual MP sub plan fees and Steam games on deal will be a bit cheaper too. So you'll get some savings there too unless youre someone who values all those sub plan games.
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Unfortunatecookie
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If they both launch at $1,000 then the console market will 100% die.
It would be a catastrophically stupid decision to price themselves out of the console space. If 3/4 of your current userbase cannot afford your next machine, what is the incentive for developers and publishers to support your next machine? There goes billions of dollars in subscription revenue, billions in software sales, billions in 3rd-party revenue, and billions in accesory sales.
Although they're not 1-to-1, phones never priced themselves out of the mobile space. Even when Apple and Samsung jumped to having $1K+ phones, they still had lower-priced variants of their devices. This is the correct way to deal with short-sighted profit-driven leadership; you make both a premium and a non-premium device and call it a day.
It would be a catastrophically stupid decision to price themselves out of the console space. If 3/4 of your current userbase cannot afford your next machine, what is the incentive for developers and publishers to support your next machine? There goes billions of dollars in subscription revenue, billions in software sales, billions in 3rd-party revenue, and billions in accesory sales.
Although they're not 1-to-1, phones never priced themselves out of the mobile space. Even when Apple and Samsung jumped to having $1K+ phones, they still had lower-priced variants of their devices. This is the correct way to deal with short-sighted profit-driven leadership; you make both a premium and a non-premium device and call it a day.
Cakeboxer
Member
Sony isn't that naive to launch only a 1k console. They're more likely to release a handheld variant without a display that you can connect to a TV, something like an Xbox Series S. Or maybe even a PS6 Lite right away. Maybe they'll also keep producing the PS5 Pro and just rebrand it.
Moridianae
Member
I..I don't know.
Inflation and rising cost of living is resulting in a lot of trouble in the economy these days.
It's one of the primary reasons restaurants had to adapt and bring back value menus somehow. You reach a point where people just stop buying your stuff. It either isn't worth it or they can't afford it.
$1000 entry points for consoles to me feels like it would be an almost automatic industry crash.
Inflation and rising cost of living is resulting in a lot of trouble in the economy these days.
It's one of the primary reasons restaurants had to adapt and bring back value menus somehow. You reach a point where people just stop buying your stuff. It either isn't worth it or they can't afford it.
$1000 entry points for consoles to me feels like it would be an almost automatic industry crash.
Unfortunatecookie
Member
Are you 100% confident with the bolded?
Unless the rumors are wrong, their handheld will launch alongside the console. However, if games for the PS6 console -- or even the PS5 -- don't scale well to handheld, then they're in for complete customer disinterest from their current userbase. Who wants to play The Witcher 4/Goddess of War/Spider-Man 3 under 30fps with faux 1080p?
Cakeboxer
Member
Yes, they're not that out of touch with casual players. 1k would be too much for many. I think they'll offer something around 699, since that's likely the pain threshold for a lot of players.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Nobody guessed PS5 Pro would be $700. And nobody expected it to bump up to $900 now.
So $1,000 is not out of the question unless chip prices crash down, tariffs come down or Sony is willing to do those jumbo sized PS3 era subsidies. If these dont happen, you arent getting PS6 for $900 or less.
Assuming PS6 is digital, here's the comparison now for non-disc systems:
PS5 $600
PS5 Pro $900
PS6 ???
So $1,000 is not out of the question unless chip prices crash down, tariffs come down or Sony is willing to do those jumbo sized PS3 era subsidies. If these dont happen, you arent getting PS6 for $900 or less.
Assuming PS6 is digital, here's the comparison now for non-disc systems:
PS5 $600
PS5 Pro $900
PS6 ???
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
squallbr
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Nine Nine Nine HUNDRED US DOLLARS
Unfortunatecookie
Member
Maybe you're right, but if they're taking a profit > market share approach, they're signing out of the casual market.
Even $700 is too much for casuals. We saw the public backlash and subsequent slow adoption of the PS5 Pro when its price was announced.
I think $400 is the sweet spot. Is that realistic for all of their future ML, ray tracing, and controller desires? Probably not. However, this is why terms like overengineering and out of touch exist. You never put your technological desires over market realities.
bitbydeath
Member
PS5 Pro will likely be discontinued, as that's how it went with PS4 Pro.
PS5 $600
PS6 ???
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Is anyone really expecting Sony to loose 90% of their user base to Microsoft if they went and released a 400 USD console vs. Magnus, effectively pulling a Wii? I doubt it. Makes you wonder why they don't do it then.
DenchDeckard
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899 to 999 for a ps6 - 1,399 to 1,499 for an Xbox helix
That's based on today's price. We could be looking at even more next year.
Might be 1,299 to 1,499 for a ps6 and 1,999 for the helix if pricing continue to rise.
Gaming is fucked and there will be a crash if this continues.
Shit, there's gonna be an worldwide economic crash if this continues.
That's based on today's price. We could be looking at even more next year.
Might be 1,299 to 1,499 for a ps6 and 1,999 for the helix if pricing continue to rise.
Gaming is fucked and there will be a crash if this continues.
Shit, there's gonna be an worldwide economic crash if this continues.
Kind of interested to see how they do. Personally I think it will bomb hard, it's getting to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. At that money I would build a living room htpc which I can upgrade the GPU etc in, it's far too pricey for main stream console gamers. I just don't see it gaining any ground but I guess we will see.
thismeinteil
Member
Now I'm guessing $699-$799 for PS6. Definitely $1000+ for Helix, since MS is no longer subsidizing.
Something modular perhaps? PS6 lite + PS Portal 2 = PS6 Portable
BlackKamenRider
Neo Member
PS6:
599 discless
699 with discdrive
PS6P
499
599 discless
699 with discdrive
PS6P
499
Mr.Phoenix
Member
If a console costs $1000..... how much do you think building an equivalent-specced PC would cost? Or even worse to build a PC that is more powerful?
I get the whole "do whatever you want" thing people say, but the primary reason to have a powerful PC, if not for work, is for gaming.
Hell, case in point, a PS6 has a GPU that is rumoured to be on par with a 5070ti. That GPU on its own costs around a $1000. Even if the PS6 GPu is 20% weaker than that, thats still $1000 for just an equivalent GPU vs spending a $1000 for an entire system. (not that I believe the PS6 will cost $1000, but just making a point). If consoles can cost $1000 and still be sold at a loss? Then wait till you all see how much PC components would cost around that time.
It's time to accept it, these shortages and wars and whatever the fuck else is going to fuck us all.
Exactly... its not just gaming. If this continues, there will be a worldwide "electronics" crash. Something needs to happen.
We can't be pointing fingers at OEMs anymore; they are all scrambling to adjust, and from my understanding, the only reason Sony didn't do this hike sooner was that they went on some sort of purchase spree sometime last year when prices were lower. But Sony is a tier 2 client, meaning that even when they do their contracts, they are only guranteed 80% of their chips if prices increase.
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lockdown2222
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I probably won't get them new or at launch for the first time at this price point. I'm not spending that money to play GaaS. I want carefully scripted and built games that are quality and have me coming back to replay them. I already got my high end PC.
lastmessiah
Member
There is no chance in hell that PS6 will be "on par" with 5070 Ti. Lol.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
This IS the console space now, and for the foreseeable future.
I guess those who insisted that the Switch (including the S2) isn't a console are kinda right now. The non-console is now significantly cheaper than the cheapest "real" console, exactly like it should be since it's not as powerful. I mean guys, you wanted your console to be premium compared to the overpriced toy? There, you have it. Now they are both priced right. Happy?
More people than those who want to pay $1000+ for a console, methinks.
NickFire
Member
Phones are also subsidized and/or paid for in installments thanks to massive competition between carriers. Phones would not sell like they do if everyone had to pay retail up front. Unfortunately, Sonys competition is now one of its biggest partners. And worse, Sony has a new track record of using lack of competition and or price increases to justify (internally I assume) massive increases on hardware and online taxes that lead to massive profits.
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nosoynadie22
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It could be successful if the PS6 Portable is released first, say in 2027, and the home console version, the Pro, is released in 2029. As long as the base is the Portable, developers can't ignore it, and anyway, game engines are very malleable these days.
GoldenEye98
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I could see it moving to a installment plan like phones. I mean really when you think about the length of time for a console generation compared to a phone generation(1 year)..installment plans should be easy and low cost.
nosoynadie22
Member
If they reduce the RAM to 24GB, I think those prices would be possible. Wasn't the PS6 chip smaller than the PS5 Fat's?
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
They're going to offer the PS6 for nearly the same price as the PS5 a year and a half from now?
Is the RAM going to be DLC?
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Rumors suggest performance on par, and some would even say better than a 5070ti. Its not that hard to see the second you actually take what the leaked specs say.
Its to have 54CU clocked at 3Ghz. That puts it at 41TF in raster perf. The 5070ti has 43TF. And then it's to have Rt that the leaks and tech suggest will be at least on par or better. If that's not on par then I don't know what is... unless these rumors are totally false. And that's a totally different conversation, cause then its not about if its on par or not, but how credible the leaks are.
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pacman4000
Member
TSMC N3P is a lot more expensive than N6, smaller chip won't help.
If the current memory situation remains $599 is totally impossible. Don't know why the op suggested that, ignorance?
lastmessiah
Member
It's an AMD APU. It doesn't matter what "rumored" specs are. You put that thing up against a 5070 Ti and it will be murdered in performance comparisons.
asdasdasdbb
Member
I think the rumor was 260 or so? Similar to the Pro and smaller than the original PS5.
But yes the N3P node is much more expensive.
Magnus is rumored to be about 400 in total.
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funking giblet
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$1000 console, and $100 games please. I've been paying 60bux for games since I was a kid, it's time we give more back. Gaming is a rich mans hobby, Poors should "git gud" at the game of life instead.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
Well, you will be wrong. And that is understandable because you probably have not followed said rumors and even what Cerny has discussed about the whole project amertyst thing.
Long story short, when it came to raster performance, AMD had alwys held tehir own and in some cases even bettered Nvidia. AMDs problem had always been that when it came to RT or ML performance, they weren't worth shit. Thats changing with RDNA5 though, because those are the two specific areas that has been focused on, significantly better RT and ML hardware. There isn't some secret sauce as to why Nvidia had always excelled in those areas; AMD GPUs just locked the specialized hardware to do those things properly, now they will have it.
The RAM is the one thing they don't want to fuck with, and they can't actually even reduce it like that. The RAM capacity is kinda dictaded by the bus with, and the PS6 is rumoured to have 160bit. Thats 5 channels. So, putting two chips per panel? They can only end up with 20GB, 30GB or 40GB of GDDR7 RAM. They cant go with 20GB, so the next best thing is 30GB. And proper PSSR, PT...etc... takes up a LOT of RAM.
PS6 - 280mm2.
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