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[Zacfoldor]

The prices will be back down by 2028.

If you can't make it till then just use what you got or buy a console like PS5 Pro to tide you over the prices have not went up at all in the US that I'm aware of.

Don't resort to cloud gaming.

If you do, you will be over there dissing on console gaming while you game on the cloud from your PC, lol. Look what you've become. Remember what you once were.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

Best Buy is dead to me (the internet shudders…)

"comparable value $1799.99"

 

[Baemono]

I'm a bit lost, let me check

Okay so it doesn't make sense

 

[ValiantInstance]

If you only run at 1440p or lower, never use DLSS for upscaling, never use DLAA, never use FG, never use RT no matter what even though it's basically always left on with a 5090, never go higher than 60 hz refresh, never use Reflex in lag sensitive games, and never use more than 16 GB of VRAM, then sure maybe it's a good idea

Otherwise what the fuck are you doing, bro?

I play games at 4K on my 9070XT. Very few of them have ever made it break a sweat.

And yes that's with RT off, but I don't care about it.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

It's not bad but going full dlaa vs balanced your cutting your frames with pt by 1/2. I believe before fg with pt at 1440p native your hitting sub 60 fps. So that leads to a more uneven play experience when you are doubling sub 60 frames.

I get 60s to 80s FPS with PT DLAA framegen x2. Mostly in the 70s to 80s so it's very high and smooth already. It going any higher makes no different for me in the FPS area since things are already smooth but I'll notice the visuals not being as great as DLAA PT FRAMEGEN x2 if I go DLSS quality PT without framegen. So I'm just sticking to DLAA PT with framegen x 2. DLSS PT balanced is going to look even worse than DLSS quality which is already not as good as DLAA PT framegen x 2.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I need a new pc (1080ti died and on old 2700x)

These prices are disgusting though. Nothing is good price to performance. Is more like least shit to more shit.

Agreed the price sucks all around. 5070TI is the best bang for buck at MRSP but even that is still shit like you said but it's just less shit compared to the others.

My old PC was similar with 1070 and i7 5820k but luckily it died during late November so I was able to get a brand new pre built PC at Mircocenter with a 5070ti, 9800, and 32gb of ram and other parts totaling less than 2000 dollars before tax and overall eve cheaper than MRSP if combining all the parts.

I'll say your PC fail at a pretty bad time but hopefully places like Microcenter will have another big pre built sale without having to wait till November/December for you. Maybe a summer sale or even a nice surprise spring sale. Microcenter pre built are the only way to get things at a okay price with pre built. Cause parts cost too much now.

 

[Leonidas]

You do realize RT requires more memory and 5070 only has 12GB VRAM right? More games are bumping into that limit all the time and is not future-proof.

And yet HUB found the 5070 is slightly faster on average than 9070 XT in RT, so 12 GB is still enough for now in 99.9% of games when you use appropriate resolution/upscaling quality.

Neither 5070 nor 9070 XT is future proof because of their middling performance tier. WIth RT on, both cards perform like a mid-range 2023 GPU, which will not hold up well when next-gen arrives.

The 9070XT is much faster in raster

That's game dependent. RTX 5070 is better in the best PS5 exclusive of all time, Stellar Blade (HUB found 5070 had 25% higher 1% lows than 9070 XT).

and is still faster with RT on. Also, how's Doom on the 5070 at 30 FPS running admirably?

regular RT they trade blows depending on game, but path tracing 5070 is faster. 9070 XT can't even enable path tracing in the latest Resident Evil.

Leonidas

You are wrong about 5070, it's worse in all aspects vs. 9070XT. ONLY type of calculations it's better at is path tracing. But there is a TINY little problem with it, it doesn't have enough VRAM...

I had no issues with path tracing in Doom the Dark Ages 1440p Balanced.

5070 not only wins in PT, it also wins in upscaling quality and efficiency vs. the 9070 XT. I'd much rather have a card that can run the most demanding games (path tracing) than one that is better at raster (as I have yet to experience a raster game where the 5070 was at a low performance, in fact the only 2025 raster only game that interested me runs better on a 5070 (according to HUB).

 

[Guardian Monkey]

I get 60s to 80s FPS with PT DLAA framegen x2. Mostly in the 70s to 80s so it's very high and smooth already. It going any higher makes no different for me in the FPS area since things are already smooth but I'll notice the visuals not being as great as DLAA PT FRAMEGEN x2 if I go DLSS quality PT without framegen. So I'm just sticking to DLAA PT with framegen x 2. DLSS PT balanced is going to look even worse than DLSS quality which is already not as good as DLAA PT framegen x 2.

I get 60s to 80s FPS with PT DLAA framegen x2.

So that means you're doubling from ~30-40 fps baseline. It seems like you would get smoother gameplay with performance and would be getting ~60-80 then ~110-150 when doubled with frame gen.

 

[Leonidas]

I get 60s to 80s FPS with PT DLAA framegen x2. Mostly in the 70s to 80s so it's very high and smooth already. It going any higher makes no different for me in the FPS area since things are already smooth but I'll notice the visuals not being as great as DLAA PT FRAMEGEN x2 if I go DLSS quality PT without framegen. So I'm just sticking to DLAA PT with framegen x 2. DLSS PT balanced is going to look even worse than DLSS quality which is already not as good as DLAA PT framegen x 2.

If you're happy with 80 FPS I wonder why you would go with 9800X3D, seems like a waste to go with such a CPU if 80 FPS is okay for you. Could have saved $300 and got a 9600X...

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

If you're happy with 80 FPS I wonder why you would go with 9800X3D, seems like a waste to go with such a CPU if 80 FPS is okay for you. Could have saved $300 and got a 9600X...

80 fps is already great especially coming from someone that was fine with 60 fps. I don't really need any higher since re9 Requiem isn't a fast pace competitive multiplayer game and I'll be happy with 80 even if it were.

As I said before if I can still get 80s fps which is already high and smooth with PT DLAA FRAMEGEN X 2 making the game look as great as possible than why would I wanna turn down the settings if gaining some fps ain't going to make a difference as it's already smooth. I'll notice the visual different while the fps difference won't be noticeable.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I get 60s to 80s FPS with PT DLAA framegen x2.

So that means you're doubling from ~30-40 fps baseline. It seems like you would get smoother gameplay with performance and would be getting ~60-80 then ~110-150 when doubled with frame gen.

I don't need 100s, 200s of fps if 60s to 80s already feels smooth and high for me. I'm literally moving and turning with Leon and it feels smooth and great so getting any higher fps to the 90s or 100s makes no difference for me and I'll notice the worse visuals if I turn down the settings.

Forget about performance but I can notice the visual being a bit worse even if I go to DLSS quality and without framegen so going to DLSS performance would make my visuals even worse and won't be worth it for me. I could understand making the setting go down if I'm getting 40s to 50s aka below 60 fps but I'm already getting 60s to 80s with it being more so in the 70s and 80s in PT PLAA framegen which is as close to photo realistic as possible and smooth so why would I go anymore down.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

80 fps is already great especially coming from someone that was fine with 60 fps. I don't really need any higher since re9 Requiem isn't a fast pace competitive multiplayer game and I'll be happy with 80 even if it were.

As I said before if I can still get 80s fps which is already high and smooth with PT DLAA FRAMEGEN X 2 making the game look as great as possible than why would I wanna turn down the settings if gaining some fps ain't going to make a difference as it's already smooth. I'll notice the visual different while the fps difference won't be noticeable.

of course it will if you jump from 80-60 which is really 40-30 you wouldn't notice?

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

of course it will if you jump from 80-60 which is really 40-30 you wouldn't notice?

Not sure what your point is lol.

To make things simple.

I'm currently at 1440p

DLAA Pathtracing Framegen x2 and get 60s to 80s which is very smooth and I have the best possible visuals too so best of both worlds.

Why would I wanna make the settings go to Pathtracing DLSS performance if it'll make my game look not as photo realistic as my current DLAA Pathtracing FRAMEGEN x2. Gaining any more fps from my 60s to 80s won't be noticeable for me while I'll notice the visual difference being worse if I switch away from DLAA Pathtracing framegen x2.

 

[analog_future]

I sold my 5090, was able to procure a new Synology DS1825+ 8-bay NAS ($1150 MSRP), 2 18TB WD Red NAS drives ($399 MSRP each), a PS5 Pro ($749 MSRP), and an XFX Mercury 9070 XT ($829 MSRP) and I still have $700 left from my 5090 sale lmao.


I just couldn't ignore these batshit 5090 resell prices right now. It's insane.

 

[Leonidas]

80 fps is already great especially coming from someone that was fine with 60 fps. I don't really need any higher since re9 Requiem isn't a fast pace competitive multiplayer game and I'll be happy with 80 even if it were.

I really just want to know why you would get a $500 CPU like 9800X3D if you are okay with 80 FPS... what caused you to buy 9800X3D?

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I really just want to know why you would get a $500 CPU like 9800X3D if you are okay with 80 FPS... what caused you to buy 9800X3D?

Pre Built from Mircrocenter

1900 dollars
5070ti
9800XD3
32GB of DDR5 Ram
750 watt
2TB SSD
360MM AIO

A great deal since it saved from hundreds from buying parts. Got it during December. Preparing for GTA VI, Elder Scrolls VI, Fallout 5, and all other demanding upcoming future games.

80S FPS is fucking great and feels very smooth in RE Requiem, couldn't notice the difference in smoothness when compared to around 120 fps which is what I get when I play Dead Island 2 and even more than that for world of warcraft midnight.

The only time I notice the game not being smooth and choppy in RE Requiem is if I turn off framegen with PT DLAA cause it goes to the 40s but once I have framegen on, it feels super smooth so definitely very happy with the smoothness with frame gen on for DLAA PT. Making things photorealistic and super smooth at the same time. Best of both worlds like I said.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

cheapest 5090 by me is $3800

 

[LavitzSlambert]

I really just want to know why you would get a $500 CPU like 9800X3D if you are okay with 80 FPS... what caused you to buy 9800X3D?

I have almost the same setup. 9800X3D was similar in price to the 7800X3D with a small premium for a CPU that has better performance in applications, handles heat better, and will last longer overall. Not the greatest value but it'll crush current games and still play at acceptable settings far into the future.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Get a 2nd hand 3090 on the cheap, You're welcome.

 

[Leonidas]

I have almost the same setup. 9800X3D was similar in price to the 7800X3D with a small premium for a CPU that has better performance in applications, handles heat better, and will last longer overall. Not the greatest value but it'll crush current games and still play at acceptable settings far into the future.

Not the greatest value is a huge understatement.

Most gamers won't notice the difference with 9800X3D and 9600X when paired with mid-range GPUs.

HUB did a test showing the differences between 7600X and 9800X3D and found no difference when using a 9060XT, a 7-8% difference with a 9070 XT and a 10% difference with a 5080.

Settings were 1080p Ultra and 1440p Medium.

Most people won't notice this...

It wasn't till they used a 5090 at 1080P Ultra/1440p Medium that they saw a meaningful difference (26-29%)... I could understand pairing the 9800X3D with 4090/5090 but with mid-range GPUs it just seems like a waste, unless you have a specific use-case...

If you have 9800X3D paired with mid-range GPU there is a chance you are only seeing 0-10% faster in gaming (depending on the settings you use). You said you care about application performance but there are CPUs that destroy the 9800X3D in applications for hundreds less.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I sold my 5090, was able to procure a new Synology DS1825+ 8-bay NAS ($1150 MSRP), 2 18TB WD Red NAS drives ($399 MSRP each), a PS5 Pro ($749 MSRP), and an XFX Mercury 9070 XT ($829 MSRP) and I still have $700 left from my 5090 sale lmao.


I just couldn't ignore these batshit 5090 resell prices right now. It's insane.

Man, it's tempting. I love playing games at 4K maxed out with path tracing… but I would also love gaming with slightly reduced graphics + $2000-something in my pockets.

 

[Soodanim]

Yeah, he just went from simping Intel to simping Nvidia now like nothing happened.

I think one day we learn about an origin story where he was engaged to Lisa Su but she broke his heart and now he's not pro-Intel/nVidia, he's just a jilted ex getting revenge on Lisa any way he can.

 

[Sardaukarama]

A Gigabyte master ice 5090 is now $4k at microcenter , Wish I bought a few of those last summer at $3K and a few bundles of DDR5 and SSD's!

 

[Moochi]

Unless money is not a consideration, anything above a 3090 is just flexing for another generation.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Not the greatest value is a huge understatement.

Most gamers won't notice the difference with 9800X3D and 9600X when paired with mid-range GPUs.

HUB did a test showing the differences between 7600X and 9800X3D and found no difference when using a 9060XT, a 7-8% difference with a 9070 XT and a 10% difference with a 5080.

Settings were 1080p Ultra and 1440p Medium.

Most people won't notice this...

It wasn't till they used a 5090 at 1080P Ultra/1440p Medium that they saw a meaningful difference (26-29%)... I could understand pairing the 9800X3D with 4090/5090 but with mid-range GPUs it just seems like a waste, unless you have a specific use-case...

If you have 9800X3D paired with mid-range GPU there is a chance you are only seeing 0-10% faster in gaming (depending on the settings you use). You said you care about application performance but there are CPUs that destroy the 9800X3D in applications for hundreds less.

The combo I bought last summer came out to around $80 or $90 more compared to the 7800X3D. Aside from the better thermal performance and application benchmarks (nothing crazy), it should stay relevant for longer and handles 1% lows and CPU intensive games better. I mostly game but also keep my hardware a long time and use it for a variety of things (transcoding, rendering), so the premium isn't a big deal and is spread over a long time. You're right I could get away with a cheaper CPU and not notice much, but I was set on stacked cache.

 

[StereoVsn]

Man, it's tempting. I love playing games at 4K maxed out with path tracing… but I would also love gaming with slightly reduced graphics + $2000-something in my pockets.

I would say do it. 5090 is awesome but not extra $2-3k over 9070xt awesome. If I had a 5090 instead of my 5080 I think I would spring for selling the card and getting some other stuff instead or just pocketing the difference.

 

[StereoVsn]

Not the greatest value is a huge understatement.

Most gamers won't notice the difference with 9800X3D and 9600X when paired with mid-range GPUs.

HUB did a test showing the differences between 7600X and 9800X3D and found no difference when using a 9060XT, a 7-8% difference with a 9070 XT and a 10% difference with a 5080.

Settings were 1080p Ultra and 1440p Medium.

Most people won't notice this...

It wasn't till they used a 5090 at 1080P Ultra/1440p Medium that they saw a meaningful difference (26-29%)... I could understand pairing the 9800X3D with 4090/5090 but with mid-range GPUs it just seems like a waste, unless you have a specific use-case...

If you have 9800X3D paired with mid-range GPU there is a chance you are only seeing 0-10% faster in gaming (depending on the settings you use). You said you care about application performance but there are CPUs that destroy the 9800X3D in applications for hundreds less.

Don't forget that folks were getting these at Microcenter as either pre-built or with with motherboard/RAM bundles.

There were some great deals to be had where 9800x3d would be only $70-80 from a lower tier CPU. At that point might as well get it.

 

[PeteBull]

I'll just keep on waiting to upgrade my 4070Ti for now. Current games have been running well enough and I've been going through my backlog anyway, so I can go another 3 years without a meaningful upgrade. When the time arrives I'll leave that to my future self to deal with it.

U got 12gigs of vram, access to newest dlss and sitting at performance lvl of 5070, so will be fine at least till 2027/new family launch of 60xx series card and even then assuming u want substantial upgrade aka 50%+ performance uplift likely u gonna need to target if not 6080 then at the very least 6070ti(which likely gonna have around 1k usd streetprice, lets not lie to ourselfs here ).

 

[Leonidas]

Don't forget that folks were getting these at Microcenter as either pre-built or with with motherboard/RAM bundles.

There were some great deals to be had where 9800x3d would be only $70-80 from a lower tier CPU. At that point might as well get it.

There were other bundles that were even better deals. Could have probably gotten a 7600X bundle for half the price. Could have gotten a 7700X bundle and saved quite a bit. At least $200 extra spent on something you will not benefit from if paired with a mid-range GPU...

 

[StereoVsn]

There were other bundles as well, even better deals. Could have probably gotten a 7600X bundle for half the price. Could have gotten a 7700X bundle and saved quite a bit. At least $200 extra spent on something you will not benefit from if paired with a mid-range GPU...

Maybe but then you have to upgrade the CPU in couple of years and savings were less than $100 all things considered vs 7800x3d and maybe $150 vs say 9700x.

Also, for prebuilts generally for a 9070xt or 5070Ti prebuilt you weren't going to get a cheaper CPU in there if you want decent PSU and more RAM.

So unless you were buying piecemeal the higher end CPUs were the better buy even if its kind of counterintuitive.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I play games at 4K on my 9070XT. Very few of them have ever made it break a sweat.

And yes that's with RT off, but I don't care about it.

Imagine paying $800 or whatever the price is today to turn RT off

If I'm coughing up that kind of money I would want all the settings maxed out

 

[Leonidas]

Maybe but then you have to upgrade the CPU in couple of years and savings were less than $100 all things considered vs 7800x3d and maybe $150 vs say 9700x.

Also, for prebuilts generally for a 9070xt or 5070Ti prebuilt you weren't going to get a cheaper CPU in there if you want decent PSU and more RAM.

So unless you were buying piecemeal the higher end CPUs were the better buy even if its kind of counterintuitive.

That makes sense, but there are a lot more people buying the 9800X3D by itself. I know because its the #1 CPU on Amazon.

I bet most of these people are pairing it with a mid-range GPU and have basically wasted $200 on performance they will never see.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Imagine paying $800 or whatever the price is today to turn RT off

If I'm coughing up that kind of money I would want all the settings maxed out

You must be trolling. RT is and always has been an extreme luxury. I would sooner play at 140hz with RT off than 60 with it on.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I would say do it. 5090 is awesome but not extra $2-3k over 9070xt awesome. If I had a 5090 instead of my 5080 I think I would spring for selling the card and getting some other stuff instead or just pocketing the difference.

Yeah I think I'm gonna do it. I keep asking myself "if I were buying today, would I rather spend $3600 for the ultimate GPU, or $700 for something that's pretty good + still way better than consoles?" It's an easy answer..

The icing on the cake is that Radeon cards come with Crimson Desert until April.

 

[Trogdor1123]

It's nice that games scale on pc so you can use a gpu for a long time.

 

[Shwing]

I mainly game on my PS5 Pro - and have no intention to upgrade my RTX 3070ti 8GB. Also have a Steam Deck that I happily use for lighter PC games / indie titles. TBH recently I've found I'm going back to simpler type games / indie stuff - think it's an age thing. The gaming market is just being killed by these stupid prices, maybe we need a reset?

 

[StereoVsn]

That makes sense, but there are a lot more people buying the 9800X3D by itself. I know because its the #1 CPU on Amazon.

I bet most of these people are pairing it with a mid-range GPU and have basically wasted $200 on performance they will never see.

That I couldn't tell you. Buying anything outside a decent RAM bundle now days is asking for a huge expense.

 

[manfestival]

It is sad cause my 4090 feels old now and the desire for a 5090 is hitting hard. Not sure how anyone with a 4080 and under can survive/be alive