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[yurinka]

It's a PC that runs PC games, because has a PC OS, so there shouldn't be any issue on calling it a PC.

MS's marketing & PR team members like Tom Warren can say your fridge or toaster are an Xbox, but in reality they are a fridge and a toaster.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Tom isn't a shill. He thinks tweets like this are important to put out their and that we should all care that nadella has an xbox hoodie on!

It's hard to imagine two less likeable, knowledgeable people telling you about the future of Xbox than these two dolts.

 

[Magic-DEI-Hire]

I'm just here for the show.

Spoiler

It didn't disappoint.

 

[EntelechyFuff]

I just want you to know that I understood the joke you were making, and am duly acknowledging your elite ball knowledge.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Might be some weird UWP/Win12 device that can't run Steam, or has shitty drivers for that purpose.

 

[damidu]

shill bitch shill, got what a waste of an adult life these morons had.

 

[kruis]

Colteastwood is upset.

She used this X banner just for a few days and now all the shills are once again happy to follow company orders, happy to throw away any remaining dignity in the defense of the billion dollar company.

 

[Gambit2483]

So its a console that just happens to run PC GAMES....but still totally a Console...??

 

[Embearded]

To be frank, if you "don't believe that is true" you simply don't know what you're talking about. This isn't a theological debate.

Do you even know what a bootloader is?
Do you think that the rest of the firmware is common with what a PC is running?

 

[kruis]

Do you even know what a bootloader is?
Do you think that the rest of the firmware is common with what a PC is running?

That next gen Xbox console will have to have a full blown Windows OS running in the background AND it will have to give users access to the Windows desktop in order to troubleshoot things. There's absolutely no way MS can handle any situation running regular Windws/Epic/Steam games behind the scenes while the user remains in a Big Picture node.

That device is a PC, doesn't matter if the firmware is different from what other PCs run.

 

[demigod]

TOm is using the most stupid possible word salad NOT to all a device that not run PC games as a PC. Using this analogy, not computer is a console because i installed some perfect accurate emulators... what an idiot.

Doesn't this dude own a 4090? Stupidass shills

 

[Esquie]

Tom Warren is right

 

[Embearded]

That next gen Xbox console will have to have a full blown Windows OS running in the background AND it will have to give users access to the Windows desktop in order to troubleshoot things. There's absolutely no way MS can handle any situation running regular Windws/Epic/Steam games behind the scenes while the user remains in a Big Picture node.

That device is a PC, doesn't matter if the firmware is different from what other PCs run.

I don't disagree with anything you said. I have no idea what Helix is exactly but of course i can speculate and your assumption sounds logical.

That's what i disagree with:

Any modern console is literally just a PC with an encrypted bootloader. People need to get over it already.

 

[DavidGzz]

PC>>>>>>>consoles. People act like this is a slight.

 

[chilichote]

Tom Warren is right

Why would Rockstar release a specially adapted version for hardware that, due to its high price, is very unlikely to sell particularly well? I mean, in the past they didn't even release the PC version simultaneously with the consoles, even though they'd surely sell a lot more copies that way than they would on the new Xbox.

 

[semiconscious]

let the weasel word wars begin!...

 

[Esquie]

Why would Rockstar release a specially adapted version for hardware that, due to its high price, is very unlikely to sell particularly well? I mean, in the past they didn't even release the PC version simultaneously with the consoles, even though they'd surely sell a lot more copies that way than they would on the new Xbox.

Dude, what are you saying? Rockstar is releasing an Xbox Series version and Xbox Helix is gonna be able to play it because it has Series hardware in it.

 

[Moondoggy]

Tom Warren is right

Can't wait for him to move the goalpost on this "gotcha" statement when the PC version of GTA6 releases before the next Xbox and just like GTA5 and Red Dead 2 it's still the best version to play.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Xbox fans. "Gamepass is the future!" Or "Streaming is the future" now it's "PC is the future" lmao. Enjoy your PC guys. I've been loving mine and playing better versions of your games for many years.

 

[kruis]

Tom Warren is right

The next-gen Xbox will play the current-gen Xbox Series S/X version of GTA6. Those Xbox games will be running in a backwards compatibility mode thanks to a custom made AMD APU that's supposedly only available to MS. It will be interesting to see if Xbox mode is its own thing separate from Windows or that those games will be running seamlessly in a Windows Virtual Machine.

 

[adamsapple]

Tom Warren is right

that statement is factually correct, yes.

 

[chilichote]

Dude, what are you saying? Rockstar is releasing an Xbox Series version and Xbox Helix is gonna be able to play it because it has Series hardware in it.

You're right, I completely forgot about the Xbox Series... sorry!^^

I only had a native "next-gen" version in mind when I wrote that.

 

[Alebrije]

And this one too

 

[Radical_3d]

I'm drunk-gaffing but hear me out: a lot of people don't like Geoff. Because of envy, because he helped to bury E3 or because his shows are narcolepsy inducing out of pure greed. I like him. He made himself from the ashes of Game Trailers, and before that he held Bonus Round, arguably one of the most interesting media this sorrowful industry has given. But more importantly I respect him, because when he was a nobody in GT and before in G4 he asked the hard questions today shills disguised as journalists don't ever make to the absolute higher ups of this industry. Today, answering to this shill, I've seen a glimpse of that young hero.

o7

 

[Bojanglez]

What magical phone runs PC software?

https://nexphone.com/

Also most high end Android ARM phones can probably run Proton with FEX to get PC x86 stuff running.

 

[//DEVIL//]

A device that runs PC games is a PC

End of story.

Depends.
If the next Xbox runs a next-gen of Xbox games that is different from the Windows version ( just like how the current Xbox game is not the same as the PC version ) ( which I think is a stupid move ) + it run PC games, then no its a next gen xbox console with the ability to play PC games.


However, if its an Xbox that run PC games and they are calling the PC version of their game is an xbox game ( as in merging into one store and the next gen xbox is actually a PC SKU ) , then you are correct.

 

[Embearded]

Tom Warren is right

That would mean Microsoft is providing developers with SDKs and then developers can choose any of the below:

1. Develop for Helix SDK. The game runs only on Helix and not other PCs.
2. Develop for PC. The game runs on Helix and PCs.
3. Develop for both PC and Helix. Customers can install any of the two products on Helix but developers gain nothing but extra work for no real reason except Helix timed exclusivity.

Edit: nope, i am wrong here, as i was corrected below GTA6 is current gen and helix contains Series hardware.

 

[Brucey]

Tom Warren is right

That's assuming the Helix launches before the PC version of GTA 6. More than likely both will launch in November 2027, rendering the point moot.

 

[Esquie]

That would mean Microsoft is providing developers with SDKs and then developers can choose any of the below:

1. Develop for Helix SDK. The game runs only on Helix and not other PCs.
2. Develop for PC. The game runs on Helix and PCs.
3. Develop for both PC and Helix. Customers can install any of the two products on Helix but developers gain nothing but extra work for no real reason except Helix timed exclusivity.

Again, Helix has Xbox Series hardware in it and can run all Series games, including GTA6.

 

[epicurius-seven]

Remember when Sony put Linux on PS2 so they could get it in under a PC tax?

If the Helix does not come with the ability to run all PC apps out of the box, I think it's more appropriate to brand it as a console. Otherwise it's a PC. So it's simply down to the OS version.

 

[Embearded]

Again, Helix has Xbox Series hardware in it and can run all Series games, including GTA6.

Shit, for some reason i was thinking GTA6 will be next gen only.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Tom Warren your typical pro Xbox journalist is pissed off at Geoff the Pro PlayStation media tycoon

Tom Warren is right

I said the same thing but KingThrash mentioned it won't be able to. Not sure why he thinks that way!

 

[adamsapple]

Shit, for some reason i was thinking GTA6 will be next gen only.

It's releasing later this year, there won't be any next gen console for at least a year and change after GTA VI comes out, lol.

We're definitely gonna GET next gen ports for the next 12, 13 years afterward.

 

[Brucey]

It's releasing later this year, there won't be any next gen console for at least a year and change after GTA VI comes out, lol.

We're definitely gonna GET next gen ports for the next 12, 13 years afterward.

So you think Helix coming out mid 2028?

 

[demigod]

If it plays GTA 6 day one even if its running an Xbox Series version what do we call it?

Legit question because I no longer know what to call it

What do you call this?

 

[bender]

It's releasing later this year, there won't be any next gen console for at least a year and change after GTA VI comes out, lol.

We're definitely gonna GET next gen ports for the next 12, 13 years afterward.

Don't count your felonies before you've been convicted.

 

[Unfortunatecookie]

Weird that he's throwing a temper tantrum for a product he doesn't make for a company he doesn't work for.

It's almost as-if... nah, The Verge are totally an impartial outlet. Right?

Anyway, the biased/fake 'journalists' are once again falling for the bucket of nothing that Xbox has provided them for over a decade. I guess they'll never learn.

 

[diffusionx]

Depends.
If the next Xbox runs a next-gen of Xbox games that is different from the Windows version ( just like how the current Xbox game is not the same as the PC version ) ( which I think is a stupid move ) + it run PC games, then no its a next gen xbox console with the ability to play PC games.


However, if its an Xbox that run PC games and they are calling the PC version of their game is an xbox game ( as in merging into one store and the next gen xbox is actually a PC SKU ) , then you are correct.

I don't understand what you are getting at. If it runs PC games then it needs all the stuff that a PC needs, the OS, the file system, the APIs… so it's a PC.

Just because it can play Xbox games doesn't make it not a PC, it's just a PC that can play Xbox games.

 

[PauloRoberto]

I can see that Zealots are fighting for semantics now, Jesus Christ... i run Metroid Dread and Browser's Fury in my PC (i have physical copies of boths and a Switch, im not advocating piracy), my PC is not a fu**ing switch. What this forum has so many zealots/idiots ?!

 

[demigod]

Putting an Xbox sticker on a PC turns it into a console?

You lttp? Xbox fans were calling the Asus Rog Ally X an xbox handheld.

 

[BarryH1985]

Its still gonna be a shit show, and how many damn times can you fail Xbox fans?

 

[bender]

I can see that Zealots are fighting for semantics now, Jesus Christ... i run Metroid Dread and Browser's Fury in my PC (i have physical copies of boths and a Switch, im not advocating piracy), my PC is not a fu**ing switch. What this forum has so many zealots/idiots ?!

 

[Esquie]

I can see that Zealots are fighting for semantics now, Jesus Christ... i run Metroid Dread and Browser's Fury in my PC (i have physical copies of boths and a Switch, im not advocating piracy), my PC is not a fu**ing switch. What this forum has so many zealots/idiots ?!

You're running it through emulation. Xbox Series games won't be played through emulation on Helix — they'll be played natively with built in console hardware.

 

[Chuck Berry]

adamsapple

But I guess we could argue whether he's ever been in his right mind

 

[PauloRoberto]

You're running it through emulation. Xbox Series games won't be played through emulation on Helix — they'll be played natively with built in console hardware.

Like I said, semantics.

 

[demigod]

He thinks playing Xbox games is playing Xbox anywhere games fyi.p

Imo if the device is optimized for controller and TV display it's a console.

So yes, I think the Steambox is a console.

lol no it's not, even Valve is calling it a PC. SFF PCs are still.........PCs.

 

[Esquie]

Like I said, semantics.

Its's not semantics. It's a significant difference.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[//DEVIL//]

I don't understand what you are getting at. If it runs PC games then it needs all the stuff that a PC needs, the OS, the file system, the APIs… so it's a PC.

Just because it can play Xbox games doesn't make it not a PC, it's just a PC that can play Xbox games.

I don't understand this logic.

Just because the PS3 can run Linux doesnt make it a Linux PC. its still a console. the same thing can be applied here. if the hardware is designed to be a next gen Xbox console with the ability to switch boot to PC doesnt make it a PC. a PC will not run Xbox Series, One, 360 and original xbox games officially ( not talking about emulators here ).

I think the same thing applies to Xbox next gen IF its actually a new gen xbox ( which again, i think it would be stupid ).

the more logicial choice is for them to have a PC ( like you suggested ) and it their Xbox app now / future xbox app has the ability to run your old xbox games via emlator within the xbox the app it self.