bender
What time is it?
No idea if it will translate, but the OEM I work with has seen much more gradual price hikes with systems with soldered RAM vs DIMMS/SODIMMS.
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[MLiD] Project Helix is 25 Percent Faster Than PS6
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No idea if it will translate, but the OEM I work with has seen much more gradual price hikes with systems with soldered RAM vs DIMMS/SODIMMS.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Tales From My Ass Vol. 6
Drunk thread?
Drunk thread?
Bojji
Member
But I doubt they use GDDR7.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Terrible specs. 54 CUs running at 3 Ghz gives us 20 tflops. The 40 tflops is the bullshit inflated numbers AMD has been using since RDNA3.
In actuality, this thing is basically 20 RDNA2 tflops or 2x more powerful than the PS5. Literally the worst jump of all time. Absolute garbage.
In actuality, this thing is basically 20 RDNA2 tflops or 2x more powerful than the PS5. Literally the worst jump of all time. Absolute garbage.
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bender
What time is it?
This is true.
chilichote
Member
I recently read that DLSS-upscaled graphics (to 4K) are perceived as better than native 4K. Polygon counts are no longer an issue, and as long as path tracing is running at 60 FPS, the difference will be barely noticeable, if at all.
The only question then is: Am I willing to pay more for (almost) the same result, or not?
The only question then is: Am I willing to pay more for (almost) the same result, or not?
Physiognomonics
Member
Like I said. Most software RT games (most UE5 games) are running better on XSX while the CPU limited and hardware RT games are running better (or similar) on PS5. I noticed this in most games.
Thing is on next-gen there won't be software RT games anymore.
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Bojji
Member
True but you are missing much bigger "IPC" of RDNA5 vs. RDNA2. So it will boost this 20TF number a bit in real life.
Stuart360
Member
XSX didnt show its difference much because devs targeted PS5 as the lead platform. And it will probably be the same next gen. Probably even more so with the next Xbox probably not expecting mass market numbers.
Besides graphics are peaking. Most next gen games will probably look like current gen games but at higher res and beter RT. Just like most games this gen look like last gen games at better res and framerates, and sometimes RT.
Just buy the system that suits you best lol.
Besides graphics are peaking. Most next gen games will probably look like current gen games but at higher res and beter RT. Just like most games this gen look like last gen games at better res and framerates, and sometimes RT.
Just buy the system that suits you best lol.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Which hardware ray traced games run better on PS5?
Going by last time the online will proclaim 25% is actually 250% more (minimum) before the launch.Watch the 25% more become 10% less because they need to run the Win11 experience
Ie. "Capcom is struggling to make RE13 run 1080p on the PS6 while HelixX is running it at 4k@120".
Bojji
Member
Yeah, but I doubt Helix/Magnus will represent that. It will be very niche with price that high.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
he said raster performance is 3x so at best its going to act like a 30 tflops RDNA2 card. Still garbage. PS5 was 8x after taking the IPC gains into account and 5.5x in raw tflops.
I have no idea wtf cerny is doing anymore. He should just resign. he's way past his fucking prime.
Oh and im not buying the 12x ray tracing claims. he said the pro was 4x better in ray tracing in some games and it was nonsense. it acts like a 16 tflops rdna 2 gpu.
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LOL, you have tons of examples of RTgames (in multiple Game engines) that run better on XSX. In fact, there are even UE5 games (recently TOW2-Avowed) with ray-tracing hardware that run much better on XSX than on PS5.
It's the same old strategy: repeating the same lie over and over (PS5 being better in RT games vs XSX), trying to make people believe it's true to create a narrative.
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Kaiserstark
Member
There will clearly be a performance difference between the two, but in my opinion, the most important factor will remain the price difference. If, for example, there's a $400 difference between the two consoles, it will be very difficult for Microsoft to be competitive with the PS6.That's close to delta between GPUs that are closest to both consoles according to Kepler:
Even if the Helix offered a greater performance advantage over the PS6, if the price is too high compared to Sony's console, it would still be a major problem.
And that's without even mentioning the fact that Xbox hardware sales worldwide have completely collapsed.
Bojji
Member
True. MLID if focusing on MUCH bigger differences in ML and RT but reality is - most games in the first few years will rely on raster, this industry moves like a dinosaur when it comes to tech.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Is hyperbole included in the same lie over and over scenario, or...?
viveks86
Member
I'm betting on $799 and $1299. Both will drop a hundred bucks post RAM crisis.
spookyfish
Gold Member
Item on Paper 1 is 25% FASTER than Item on Paper 2!!
>dancing and partying<
>dancing and partying<
Embearded
Member
Yes it looks like it will be niche and even if it isn't, current gen which launched at the same price while having a significant difference on paper didn't really make them sweat. Also, Bethesda acquisition was announced a couple of months before the consoles released.
Why do i still hope i don't know.
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GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
Still not clear on MP paywall though. If Microsoft drops it and Sony doesn't the "price comparison" won't just be the hardware price.
You have the DF article/video so you can draw your own conclusions.... But I suppose it's better to prejudge, right?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah, the word "much" is being thrown around quite liberally.
I don't think it will be that extreme.
Stuart360
Member
Path tracing will not be the standard next gen lol. Even 5090 can struggle to hit 60fps in path traced games, at native 4k sure but still.
Path tracing MIGHT be standard the gen after, if we even get consoles then.
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Wolzard
Member
That's close to delta between GPUs that are closest to both consoles according to Kepler:
In theory, it's the same difference between the XSX and the PS5. But Sony was clever in maximizing the chip's clock speed.
Many modern engines seem better suited to having faster GPU cores.
Also, the API graphics driver seems more efficient on the PS5, making better use of the GPU. When Microsoft merged the console and PC APIs, it kind of added a lot of abstraction on top, making it more generic and not taking advantage of the hardware efficiently.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Suppose to be 25% faster huh. You know what that means, Cerny about to show up with new secret sauce.
corny didn't do anything last time it was some low level engineer who pushed for Liquid Metal so they could run the clocks faster.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Daddy Nutella needs to tell his minions that "winning" the performance race doesn't win you a generation
Negotiator101
Member
They've produced the best looking game so far this generation in HB2 so WTF are you talking about?
SEGAvangelist
Member
They have to do something to justify the very high cost since it'll run PC games too.
not to mention, they also need much more than %25 to justify a probable %50+ price difference.
bomba of the century is incoming.
Bojji
Member
No way it's gonna run full Windows.
PeteBull
Gold Member
Are u thinking what im thinking right now?
Need to get dat oldschool trifecta back
Those guys dont have console war ptsd, they got nostalgia
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
reezoo
Member
Conclusion:Are u thinking what im thinking right now?
Need to get dat oldschool trifecta back
Those guys dont have console war ptsd, they got nostalgia
- PS5 generation: ~$136B revenue so far
- Entire PlayStation history: roughly $500B–$600B+ revenue
from chatgpt
so basically 1 Elon Musk worth!
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So what would you say the BOM will be for the PS6? Sounds like you think it'll cost Sony $800+ to make this thing.
Hold on....this true? 20TFs, if using RDNA2 flops?
Are you trolling us right now? lol So given what you are saying about the PS6 hardware, how much would you say the BOM cost to be?
Why wouldn't we get consoles after the PS6?
Unknown?
Member
And with diminishing returns the results won't be very apparent like OG Xbox and PS2...
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Regardless of whether it's 25%, 50% or 75% etc. I have absolutely no interest in buying Helix without a disc drive or physical media.
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FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Will probably translate to the Project Helix underperforming in real world scenarios given it's going to be running shitty bloated Windows 12