bender
What time is it?
Considering it has mostly been a loss leader, I'd have a hard time calling the PlayStation business hardware centric.
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[Bloomberg] Sony Pulls Back From PlayStation Games on PC (Ghost of Yotei port and other internally developerd games scrapped)
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Considering it has mostly been a loss leader, I'd have a hard time calling the PlayStation business hardware centric.
sainraja
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Given the state of Xbox right now, if I am right, they realized it just at the right time. As for the ports flopping, well, I disagree, but I don't really want to argue this point so meh. It doesn't matter. If that is the case, then no one should be upset.
Topher
Identifies as young
I wish I knew what question the Sony exec was answering with this.
bender
What time is it?
Some variation of "how are you going to make more moneys?".
Because I can wait. It is not that hard. I haven't bought ragnarok or spiderman 2. Not because I dont like them, I just want to buy them for cheap.
I am not in a rush to play those games. I can wait 2-3 generation consoles for their games. It took me 15 years to get a ps3, just so I could play infamous.
bender
What time is it?
I hope you bought Demon's Souls too.
Mostly due to dark souls. Fromsoft are lazy to make more dark souls. That is why Elden ring was massive. I dont like the genre. But they are fun challenging games.
Dark souls with guns mods is my go to go.
I might in the future. But so far, I only use it for niche games. I am old now, so less time to play games these days.
bender
What time is it?
If you like Souls games, it would be interesting to see what birthed them all. It also has one of the best levels in all of the series. The Ico and Shadow of Colossus Collection is a pretty good way to play those games if you didn't play them on PS2 and those are fairly short games by today's standards.
Viruz
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I hope I can nick a PS2 from eBay, like I did for the ps3.
Maybe I need to redownload that ps2 emulator on my pc. Hopefully I can play the game. Last time I did, shadow of Colossus was unplayable due to bad graphic cards of my pc.
bender
What time is it?
It's an all-timer and Team Ico inspired Miyazaki for the full circle moment.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Fess
Member
Instead of trying to put words in my mouth and blindly tagging me in your warrior post, just quote me so I know what you think I'm dishonest about. I'm not upset about anything, why would I be? I have a Pro and a 4090 PC in the living roomWell I have to say this thread has made for interesting reading.
Why are the same people that were excited about the "hear you" regarding the return of Xbox exclusive games now upset about the prospect of Sony making their 1st party games 100% exclusive to their console again?
Fess be honest.
Unless you think that I'm upset about wanting an official statement so I know where to put my money since I no longer do double dipping?
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PixelatedBeast
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You must be ugly, because all the lesbians I've met are cool as hell and usually go both ways if they find you attractive enough. Thats how you get a threesome my guy...
This "i hate women who like women" sentiment is some type of new age incel, red pill type of behavior from chronically online people who get their social political views from AsmonGold and Andrew Tate.
The lesbians some people judge a whole group by online:
vs the lesbians guys have experience with if you're lucky and attractive:
The combat, gameplay, voice acting, animations and graphics in in Tlou2 are amazing, I dont give a damn about the story when everything else is top notch. The character could be a vegetarian, soy milk drinking, Bob Ross painting pink bear, but if its running around cutting throats, shooting off limbs and blowing people into pieces and fighting zombies, I'll be there to play that on day uno of release. Cope harder.
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TheGodfather07
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Sony have never been willing to release their big games on PC at launch. I think it was always later ports or nothing at all because Sony have always known that you need proper exclusives. Late ports are not worth it either because majority have already played it by then. Having permanent exclusives on your console is the correct way. Just like it always has been.
yurinka
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No, this is a first party games thing, so Studio Business unit thing. So a Hermen decision. And well, Hermen has been in charge of first party games since many years ago. Same as Nishino, he has been in charge of platform/PSN/etc many years ago.
No. They kept talking about then when it was a novelty, during a couple years. But when expanded MLB to Xbox and acquired Bungie (so had Destiny 2 on Xbox too) they switched to talk about off-PS first party revenue instead, and kept reporting it every quarter in their fiscal report as "other software".
Do you really think they will shut down Polyphony Digital and Gran Turismo, San Diego and MLB, Bungie and Destiny+Marathon, Team LFG and whatever they are doing? This would be really nonsensical and suicidal.
Storytelling has been important for them, but Sony always made games of many genres (see MLB or GT), and in recent years they are experimenting with expanding their first party games to more genres they didn't dominate at least in recent years, particularly in different shooter types, in many cases trying to introduce a strong narrative in MP:
Coop third person shooter with Helldivers 2, looter shooter with Destiny, extraction shooter with Marathon, hero shooter with Concord, roguelike bullet hell shooter with Returnal, VR MP FPS with Firewall Ultra, hack & slash with Stellar Blade, 3D action platformer with Astro Bot, team based heist game with Fairgame$, Monster Hunter clone with Horizon Hunters Gathering, whatever was Midnight Murder Club and many more.
They did and have been working on it did since 2017. This year they'll release Death Stranding 2 plus day one games like Marathon, Marvel Tokon or Horizon Hunters Gathering.
Most AAA nowadays cost over $250-300M, meaning for most AAA games to get profitable isn't enough to release a SP game without DLC in a single console because need to sell around 8M copies to be profitable, and while this is not an issue for the top seller IPs, for most others is almost too ambitious or unrealistic. They need extra revenue, that's why all AAA publishers have been betting more on crossgen, multiplatform, GaaS and mobile. Plus in some cases like Sony, off-gaming adaptations. To get that revenue directly or indirectly.
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yurinka
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They are made up.
In the same way they'll tone down porting SP games because already ported all the old ones they wanted to port (except the most recent one, Yotei), once they complete the GaaS push releasing the 14 GaaS (today they release the 8th), they'll also tone down the GaaS releases because out of those released ones only some remain alive during years (something planned, in the same way they knew some were going to be cancelled and that some weren't going to be greenlighted, as usual in the industry inside and outside GaaS) making the enough money they wanted, and because very likely releasing more would be conterproductive because would compete between them because of too similar genre and setting.
So very likely, in the next gen (maybe after some rest) in addition to continue pumping new MLB, GT and I assume Destiny 3 they may try a second time but with a different approach in some genre or IP promising but where they failed, plus may try with some remaining top IP more (Uncharted, TLOU, GoW, Spider-Man).
Maybe in one of these IPs they may try to do something like in Ubisoft's games, to make some AAA SP game GaaS (adding seasons of post launch additional content). Every gen AAA budgets almost double, so they'll need to find some way to get more revenue out of them.
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RoadHazard
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Yotei wasn't woke? Oh man
No, it really wasn't. Please list the ways in which you think it was, if you have actually played it (which I strongly suspect you have not).
Blood Borne
Member
Like I said in the other thread
Resident Evil Requiem selling almost 50% on PC, positions PC as a competitor to PlayStation.
In other words, if PC weren't in the picture, Sony might have earned more royalties from Capcom titles purchased on PlayStation. By releasing their games on PC, Sony potentially risks reducing PlayStation hardware sales and, consequently, the software royalties tied to those sales.
From a strategic perspective, Sony made the right decision. In fact, if it were up to me, I'd release zero games on PC, even games like Helldivers 2 wouldn't be on PC. Nintendo strategy is right way.
Whether people want to admit it or not, Steam is a competitor to PlayStation store.
Resident Evil Requiem selling almost 50% on PC, positions PC as a competitor to PlayStation.
In other words, if PC weren't in the picture, Sony might have earned more royalties from Capcom titles purchased on PlayStation. By releasing their games on PC, Sony potentially risks reducing PlayStation hardware sales and, consequently, the software royalties tied to those sales.
From a strategic perspective, Sony made the right decision. In fact, if it were up to me, I'd release zero games on PC, even games like Helldivers 2 wouldn't be on PC. Nintendo strategy is right way.
Whether people want to admit it or not, Steam is a competitor to PlayStation store.
yurinka
Member
Without the PS5 version most MS IPs and studios would shut down. Including Forza Horizon.
Throttle
Member
Not just some games, but a bunch of PS titles in every benchmarking video I watch. They may not be selling much, but they certainly are prominent.
SHAKEZ
Member
Sure
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Seems like the sort of decision that would come from higher up. But whoever made it doesn't matter.
Direct mention is removed, there's no sugar coating that.
Obviously studios that are already known for it will keep making what they've always made.
ClosBSAS
Member
Lmao sony fanboys acting as if pc gamers really cared. We werent going to buy a ps5 for one game. And if we were, i had already bought a ps5 which has just been picking up dust for years now.
Iconera having a feast thinking they are the ones that convinced sony to take this path haha.
Anyways, no real pc gamer cares about 50 dollar 4 year old ports.
Iconera having a feast thinking they are the ones that convinced sony to take this path haha.
Anyways, no real pc gamer cares about 50 dollar 4 year old ports.
dgrdsv
Member
They'll have their hands full with porting the next Concord to launch on PC on the same day as on PS. And then with dismantling the infrastructure one month later.
Steam is way less of a competitor to any console than console players think.
It's still a PC, it's more expensive in h/w and harder to use while cheaper in s/w and provide a very different type of experiences.
PlayStation's "problem" is that they can't figure out how to address the PC gamers who don't own consoles without also addressing those who do own a console and are choosing where to get every game at each launch.
This "problem" however exist in the heads of current Sony management only. This group is so small that it won't have any effect on their bottom line even if all of these people would stop buying games on the console and opt for PC instead.
What will have an effect is the lack of sales to PC gamers who don't own a console or just prefer to play on PC even if they do.
I fully expect this "change" to end up being a very temporary one, which is also why there is no official communication on this.
But to solve the core issue Sony would have to make an effort on PC in either launching on the same day or providing a solid marketing and technical support for their PC releases.
Which they very obviously aren't willing to do now so they've chosen to lower their revenue instead.
DevonExplorer
Neo Member
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Why the fuck are these goddamn motherfuckers bought all major PC porting studios? To shut them all down now so that no one could port games to PC cuz there's no one left? And PSN integration? Why all of this was even a thing to begin with?
FUCK 'EM! Arogant, brain-dead dinos, morons and idiots!
FUCK 'EM! Arogant, brain-dead dinos, morons and idiots!
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Blood Borne
Member
Totally disagree.
PC gamers who own a Nintendo Switch won't have bought it if Nintendo games were also on PC.
A platform that offers the same service is inherently competition.
The argument here is how much of a competition are they, but competition nonetheless.
IconEra really is hilarious. I can't imagine being such a loser that a large part of my identity is tied to the success of a multinational corporation that would fuck me in the ass with no vaseline if it raised the quarterly results.
Skifi28
Member
This is why some of those 4 year old ports reportedly sold in the milllions and why this thread has 23 pages. We just don't care, the PC representatives have spoken for all of us!
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ByWatterson
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This is probably a huge part of this. A big chunk of 30 million Xbox gamers can now really be forced to buy a Playstation next generation, assuming Microsoft continues to release everything everywhere.
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MMaRsu
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I see the same bs on Twitter about pc users supposedly 'crashing out' over losing PS gamea
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Most fans criticized Sony for this strategy. If Sony actually listened to their fans, they would have known this was a mistake.
DrFigs
Member
Man I want to live in whatever universe you're in.You must be ugly, because all the lesbians I've met are cool as hell and usually go both ways if they find you attractive enough. Thats how you get a threesome my guy...
This "i hate women who like women" sentiment is some type of new age incel, red pill type of behavior from chronically online people who get their social political views from AsmonGold and Andrew Tate.
The lesbians some people judge a whole group by online:
vs the lesbians guys have experience with if you're lucky and attractive:
The combat, gameplay, voice acting, animations and graphics in in Tlou2 are amazing, I dont give a damn about the story when everything else is top notch. The character could be a vegetarian, soy milk drinking, Bob Ross painting pink bear, but if its running around cutting throats, shooting off limbs and blowing people into pieces and fighting zombies, I'll be there to play that on day uno of release. Cope harder.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Mistake = what they're doing right now. Instead of making games available for more people and having more money and fans, their empty heads can't think of anything better than to do the exact opposite.
P.S. Hermen, if you're reading this - Go fuck yourself
You're one of the bigest mistakes in Sony's history.
Cumulus
Member
yep, it´s kinda baffling how some people live in their own little fantasy worlds on social media.I see the same bs on Twitter about pc users supposedly 'crashing out' over losing PS gamea
When Sony stops porting their games the overwhelming majority on PC that didn´t care for their games before suddenly will?
Make that make sense.
Social media made the world a much dumber place.
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Solrac
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What a problem… How many first-party games did Sony release this gen? 5? 10? And I can count on my fingers which ones were worth it. And even the worthy ones didn't sell shit on PS5 (Returnal).
That being said, it'd be really funny if now DS2 sells a lot more than on PS5. I'd like to see that just for the lols.
That being said, it'd be really funny if now DS2 sells a lot more than on PS5. I'd like to see that just for the lols.
Sorcerer
Member
It probably was a sort of timed experiment to see if they could compel PC users to go console. Console owners may convert to PC (soley or in addition to the console), but I doubt more serious PC players would buy a console. Nintendo justifies itself. Xbox is in tatters.
Sucks about Yotei though. I was looking forward to that one in particular.
Sucks about Yotei though. I was looking forward to that one in particular.
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Hyper_hyper
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Lol. What is woke in Yotei? An actress who gave her voice to Atsu? That's woke to you? Oh yeah, woke boycott surely worked. :/
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Emmy Ator Best
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Hard to believe that when PC gamers made countless memes about taking all the Sony exclusives.
MisterXDTV
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23 pages about
"What games? Never bought one... I don't care"....
Imagine if they had actually cared....
"What games? Never bought one... I don't care"....
Imagine if they had actually cared....
kaizenkko
My predictions age like milk
Well, they have launched more games than probably the vast majority of publishers.
Despite what people say, Sony is still a consistent publisher, even with all the disasters regarding live service games.
Since 2021 they have released Returnal, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Gran Turismo 7, God of War Ragnarök, Horizon Forbidden West, Spider-Man 2, Astro Bot, and Ghost of Yotei. This year they have Saros and Wolverine.
I'm only counting games developed by Sony's own studios. They have released more single-player games than Capcom, EA, Bandai, and other big publishers.
And if you think most of these games are not worth it… OK, that's your opinion. But most of them are highly acclaimed by critics and by PSN and Steam users. Trying to downplay Sony as a publisher is just nonsense.
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