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[Moondoggy]

You wana say that again, punk?

 

[Merline]

Horrible news for PC gamers, they will be missing so many PS5-only games.

At least one of these five games will win Game of the Year. Instead of constantly criticizing PlayStation, maybe we should ask when Valve last released a real single-player game. Not a live service cash grab with predatory MTX, but a proper single-player experience you could actually sink hours into. Especially considering Gabe has been sitting on his lazy ass for decades.

 

[mckmas8808]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Nishino! You da man!

 

[diffusionx]

Spiderman 2018 is as good as any of the Arkham games.

Spiderman 2 is a woke mess, but apparently psgays love it. But this is kind of the point. If you have a console, you are in friendly territory. When you are a third party publisher, you're fighting for every scrap. It's just a whole different world. Again look to the reception Super Mario Run got on iPhone.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

At least one of these five games will win Game of the Year. Instead of constantly criticizing PlayStation, maybe we should ask when Valve last released a real single-player game. Not a live service cash grab with predatory MTX, but a proper single-player experience you could actually sink hours into. Especially considering Gabe has been sitting on his lazy ass for decades.

Man If i wasn't a misogynist that image would be perfect

 

[MacReady13]

The older I get the more patient I get. But GTA is just different. I must have it

It is the ONLY reason that I am keeping my PS5 Pro. If it wasn't for GTA6, I'd have sold my Pro and just been a PC/Switch 2 gamer.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Even if it's true, oh no, we lost out on another angry lesbian revenge game, what a shame.

The demographic with the highest domestic violence and divorce rates, it all makes sense now.

 

[Ironman_Bad]

Thats gonna be one hell of a long wait on pc versions now

 

[Tobimacoss]

So this pulling back from PC also implies that Sony is pulling back from expanding Cloud Gaming to non PlayStation hardware. That will end up being a costly mistake in the long term.

They are retreating toward a console userbase with a ceiling of 120 million users, rather than putting in the work for expanding the PSN ecosystem across PC and Cloud.

What happens to Sony's profits if the PS+ revenues collapse? It's a dangerous gamble.

Also, Sony gave Steam free advertisement, especially with HD2. Every PS game they ported was literally free advertising for Steam at the expense of their own platform.

Then they should've created their own PC store and expanded their own PSN platform. There are ways to prevent piracy, without Denuvo.

Well, yes. So clearly it's not just about the port quality or the type of game.

It's about releasing them Day 1 during the marketing hype cycle when the game is talked about all over the gaming communities, social media, gaming sites, YouTube, Twitch etc. Then if the game proves to be good, it gets longer leg of sales.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Honest question, can a Gold Member be banned?

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

I think the last time I bought a Sony game was in 2022. Since then, I've played Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Spider-Man 2, Death Stranding, The Last of Us Part II, and a few others without paying a single cent, thanks to their initiative of releasing games on PC.


If their games stop coming to PC, then at some point I'll probably just buy a console (used), play whatever exclusives there are, and sell everything afterward. Simple as that. But only when it's cheap — probably when the PS7 comes out.

 

[Gaiff]

Spiderman 2018 is as good as any of the Arkham games.

 

[Senua]

Honest question, can a Gold Member be banned?

Yes

 

[DeepEnigma]

Look at that big beautiful international treasure!

 

[ByWatterson]

So this pulling back from PC also implies that Sony is pulling back from expanding Cloud Gaming to non PlayStation hardware. That will end up being a costly mistake in the long term.

They are retreating toward a console userbase with a ceiling of 120 million users, rather than putting in the work for expanding the PSN ecosystem across PC and Cloud.

This cloud strategy worked so well for Microsoft that they fired their executives and replaced them with AI goonery and Matt Fucking Booty

 

[Bojji]

SM1 is so mediocre and repetitive... MM was much better thanks to being much more compact and with better combat system.

I tried getting into SM2 but first few hours are so bad... maybe someday.

 

[Tobimacoss]

I think the last time I bought a Sony game was in 2022. Since then, I've played Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Spider-Man 2, Death Stranding, The Last of Us Part II, and a few others without paying a single cent, thanks to their initiative of releasing games on PC.


If their games stop coming to PC, then at some point I'll probably just buy a console (used), play whatever exclusives there are, and sell everything afterward. Simple as that. But only when it's cheap — probably when the PS7 comes out.

Are you implying you pirated those games?

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Personally, I was stunned by some of the DICE analytic reports that the different attendees received.


I know it won't be popular, but I think Sony, Xbox and part of Nintendo is already cooked.

The Roblox information was most concerning of all.

 

[mckmas8808]

Whelp, looking bad for Nixxes.

Oof......thinking of Nixxes employees right now

I really think Nixxes would be perfect for adding extra options in PS5 games as a support studio.

Not a good plan if you want more PlayStation single player games.

Man you crazy LOL!!!!

I think they'll be fine. They can be used as a support studio for other projects. Still, dumb move to buy a whole studio for one purpose and backtrack 5 years later.

Hopefully, they don't get closed down.

Hey and don't forget about the new PS Portable handheld too. Nixxes would be legit perfect for making 1st party games on that device run perfectly.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Some of the same people that said Sony has no games are the same people upset that Sony is pulling their games from PC. You can't make this shit up

 

[IntentionalPun]

So this pulling back from PC also implies that Sony is pulling back from expanding Cloud Gaming to non PlayStation hardware. That will end up being a costly mistake in the long term.

They are retreating toward a console userbase with a ceiling of 120 million users, rather than putting in the work for expanding the PSN ecosystem across PC and Cloud.

We have no clue if they are pulling back from Cloud, it's certainly not implied. As it stands you need an expensive sub to access + you would be buying the games from their store.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So this pulling back from PC also implies that Sony is pulling back from expanding Cloud Gaming to non PlayStation hardware. That will end up being a costly mistake in the long term.

They are retreating toward a console userbase with a ceiling of 120 million users, rather than putting in the work for expanding the PSN ecosystem across PC and Cloud.

 

[BacklashWave534]

Hope you and the other 4 people playing Hunters Gathering have a great time

Cool story console bro. Steam has 124,064 games alone and that not counting all the games that go back all the way into the 90s that still work perfectly. Enjoy your woke Sony slop.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Some of the same people that said Sony has no games are the same people upset that Sony is pulling their games from PC. You can't make this shit up

They're not upset about the games per se, thats just a proxy, they're upset that Sony chooses to no longer devalue their console brand.

 

[bender]

We have no clue if they are pulling back from Cloud, it's certainly not implied. As it stands you need an expensive sub to access + you would be buying the games from their store.

More Portal products also suggests the opposite is true.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

I spent the last 6 months here reading PS6 will be worthless because "I can play Sony games on PC/Magnus/SteamDeck/Steam Machine"

After this news, suddenly nobody needs Sony games on PC

Seems like straight coping to me

Yeah, a lot of "I won't need a PS6" posts. I see a lot of people saying PC crowd doesn't care about PS games when in reality, there is a chunk of them that didn't have an issue with buying a console to play them. And the funny thing is, it looks like a lot of people downplaying those games and generalizing about the PC crowd, are not even PC players lol

 

[CowboyLou]

Hope you and the other 4 people playing Hunters Gathering have a great time.

Hey man, he who lives in a Marathon house should not throw Horizon stones.

 

[BacklashWave534]

Cool, as a PC gamer it's not going to entice me to buy a Playstation. I just won't buy Playstation games at all

Same. The only game i want to play is Horizon 3 when that comes out but i'll just borrow a friend's Playstation.

 

[bitbydeath]

Horrible news for PC gamers, they will be missing so many PS5-only games.

Imagine the meltdowns if they decide to go through with the Kadokawa acquisition now.

 

[Senua]

Same. The only game i want to play is Horizon 3 when that comes out but i'll just borrow a friend's Playstation.

If Gran Turismo 8 has a proper Gran Turismo mode i'll buy 10 Playstation 6s

 

[mckmas8808]

Just further goes to show that Sony has no idea what they're doing with Playstation right now.

So now you can play

• The Last of Us Part I and the Last of Us Part II on PC, but not the eventual Part III.
• Horizon: Zero Dawn and Horizon: Forbidden West on PC, and LEGO Horizon Adventures (??), but not the eventual third game.
• Ghost of Tsushima on PC, but not it's sequel
• Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, but not it's eventual sequel
• Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy, but not Uncharted 1-3
• God of War 2018 and God of War Ragnarok, but no future God of War games
• Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man 2, but apparently not Spider-Man 3 or Wolverine
• Returnal, but not Saros

I don't begrudge them for this move but between this, all of the cancelled games, the studio closures, the GaaS stuff and all of the failures there, the apparent re-focus on single player games again, the hit-or-miss TV and movie adaptations, etc.. etc.. just makes the entire enterprise feel rudderless.



tl;dr

Everything you said makes no sense at all. You forget that Nintendo made a premier mobile game years ago? You're acting as if PC gamers were ever Sony's main focus. PC gamers weren't even 25% of their focus. It was always a trial era type of thing. With a wait and see approach. They never went all in on PC like MS did.

And that was Microsoft's issue. They went all in on PC for years and couldn't back out of it.

 

[FMN]

This never gets tossed Nintendo's way on here. I wonder why it's only an issue when Sony does or doesn't do something?

It makes more sense for Sony to release games on PC because of much higher development costs. Thought that was obvious.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Imagine the meltdowns if they decide to go through with the Kadokawa acquisition now.

Nothing would make me happier than removing access to Elden Ring 2 for millions of gamers

 

[bender]

Hey man, he who lives in a Marathon house should not throw Horizon stones.

Concord left out in the cold again.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Cool, as a PC gamer it's not going to entice me to buy a Playstation. I just won't buy Playstation games at all

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

They're not upset about the games per se, thats just a proxy, they're upset that Sony chooses to no longer devalue their console brand.

Definitely, we all know this. These grifters think we weren't seeing through their bullshit all along

 

[Bojji]

Imagine the meltdowns if they decide to go through with the Kadokawa acquisition now.

Right now Nintendo is getting exclusives.

And if they continue to make GaaS trash, personally I won't buy it on PS5 anyway.

 

[clarky]

Cool story console bro. Steam has 124,064 games alone and that not counting all the games that go back all the way into the 90s that still work perfectly. Enjoy your woke Sony slop.

You misunderstand sir. I was making a jest about the quality of the next Horizon game.

I don't even own a Playstation.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Imagine the meltdowns if they decide to go through with the Kadokawa acquisition now.

I imagine this change would mean less of a chance Kadokawa would sell more of themselves to Sony in the 1st place.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It makes more sense for Sony to release games on PC because of much higher development costs. Thought that was obvious.

Clearly that's not the concrete case some think it is.

 

[bender]

Nothing would make me happier than removing access to Elden Ring 2 for millions of gamers

...five years down the road with nothing released, Sony shuts down FromSoftware and Elden Ring 2 is denied to every gamer.

 

[Nvzman]

At least one of these five games will win Game of the Year. Instead of constantly criticizing PlayStation, maybe we should ask when Valve last released a real single-player game. Not a live service cash grab with predatory MTX, but a proper single-player experience you could actually sink hours into. Especially considering Gabe has been sitting on his lazy ass for decades.

This is is not the own you think it is.

The middle three games are all some flavor of third person story game, and are chasing a fairly generic genre at this point. Three of these games are still a long way out.

Compare this to the PS2 of yesteryear, where you had 10 amazing games, each in a different genre and unique, coming out on a monthly basis, it's easy to see why console gaming has become a joke. Valve doesn't have to release exclusives because they already have the best storefront to release indie titles, which at this point, have surpassed AAA in passion and vision as well as variety.

 

[Tobimacoss]

We have no clue if they are pulling back from Cloud, it's certainly not implied. As it stands you need an expensive sub to access + you would be buying the games from their store.

Yes, but once you allow a PC user to play via Cloud streamed from PS6 Orion hardware, you might as well also allow them option to play natively. PC store with Cross Buy, cross saves, cross play, achievements system, PS+ integration for both Cloud and Native versions of games. That's how you expand an ecosystem.

Most PC users still aren't going to buy hardware, or if they do, they would buy it used years later, buy games when heavily discounted, and never subscribe to PS+. But if you cater to them on PC, they're at least more likely to check out your services.

Sony should've asked MS for help. Use MSIX format, it's open sourced, and Sony can sign their own packages, wouldn't need Denuvo. Sure it might be overkill, but that changes the narrative that might force Steam/Epic to do more to prevent piracy.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

...five years down the road with nothing released, Sony shuts down FromSoftware and Elden Ring 2 is denied to every gamer.

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't think MS cares about console sales as much as just making a lot of money and their games will sell gangbusters and make them a lot of money on Steam. This news probably won't even dissuade them releasing for Playstation either.

And this type of thinking is why MS' Xbox is where it is now.

 

[poppabk]

Like i said, the people who switched are the ones who buy games on a consistent basis. They buy subscriptions to play online. They dont just buy ps exclusives, they buy other third party games and invest in that eco system. Sony knew how important those guys are to their eco system, they revealed the numbers themselves.

It's not just about first party sales, it's about the eco system revenue.

P.S The pro sales percentage is 13% since its launch. The PS4 pro made up 20% of all PS4s sold after its launch. 7% may not seem like much, but in a business of margins, thats a lot. Those 7% of consumers went to PC.

But if they don't buy Sony first party games then those games being on PC is irrelevant.

 

[bitbydeath]

It makes more sense for Sony to release games on PC because of much higher development costs. Thought that was obvious.

Devaluing their brand has a much higher cost.

 

[Killer8]

We tried to warn the "but it's free money!" posters. The more Sony gave a reason for people to just go PC, the less likely people buy a PlayStation console and put money into their ecosystem. No company is going to risk undermining a $136 billion dollar console business for the sake of a $2.3 billion PC business. And a lot of that came from live service anyway due to the success of Helldivers II, which according to other rumors they are still receptive to releasing on PC.

I've consistently warned that the biggest threat to Sony's business is the PC. Capcom just said that 50% of the sales of their games are coming from PC. It's massive now. Why would Sony fuel their own demise here (and allow their games to be playable on potential competitors' living room machines, like Magnus and Steam Machine)?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Who needs the 2020 → 2023 (pre helldivers 2) single player money $35M → $80M → $250M → $450M brought in for little port investments. /s

And it would likely have been much more if they actually took care to make good ports and not the tech disasters they released time after time.

They can live off with the love of their fans whom made single player studios closed down by not showing up and even make remakes a bad value proposition for Sony that closing Bluepoint made more senses. Those dear fans. Naw who am I kidding, they're gonna live off GaaS

 

[MisterXDTV]

Clearly that's not the concrete case some think it is.

But....

What about DAT astounding 1% of revenue ?