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Jason Schreier - The sense I’m getting is that (Sony) is backing away from putting their exclusive console traditional single player stuff on PC
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ElFenomeno
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Uhm...yeah. I think I will follow the money and call bullshit on this one.
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CowboyLou
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Yeah, a lot of Sony's big first-party titles are definitely "console games" (make of that what you will) and sales seem to indicate that mainstream PC audiences have... varying interest in them, depending on the game.
It's hard to imagine games like Spider-Man or Horizon ever doing HUGE numbers on PC like they have with the PS audience.
diffusionx
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It's a mistake to put them on PC, because it degrades the value of the platform, which is in the end the only thing they got. We saw it happen with Microsoft, I don't know why people deny them. I've been saying it for years.
Also, let's be real, after the first couple, the sales haven't been that great on PC, you become a miniscule fish in a massive pond instead of owning the pond entirely, you have to deal with chuds review bombing your game, "bad port" criticisms, pcfat hostility, all this shit. They've been doing this for what 5 years, makes sense to analyze and see if the juice is worth the squeeze.
Also, let's be real, after the first couple, the sales haven't been that great on PC, you become a miniscule fish in a massive pond instead of owning the pond entirely, you have to deal with chuds review bombing your game, "bad port" criticisms, pcfat hostility, all this shit. They've been doing this for what 5 years, makes sense to analyze and see if the juice is worth the squeeze.
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Kacho
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I do think they would need to speak about a change in strategy to investors beforehand and explain their reasoning for giving up a revenue source.
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midnightAI
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I can see it happening but I doubt that is a decision they have made currently, it will most likely depend on Microsofts strategy, if they change strategy and start making exclusive XBox games I can see Sony following suit. But this is nothing new, we've known for ages that Sony will adjust their strategy to suit demand or whatever would benefit them long term (any normal business would do that)
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ChorizoPicozo
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This timeline:
The long grift of Phil (The Massive Retard) Spencer pushing the narrative away of consoles and the importance of exclusives with the help of his concubines was so fucking annoying, it never made any fucking sense. Now what? They ended up like "El perro de las dos tortas" without console and without exclusives
The long grift of Phil (The Massive Retard) Spencer pushing the narrative away of consoles and the importance of exclusives with the help of his concubines was so fucking annoying, it never made any fucking sense. Now what? They ended up like "El perro de las dos tortas" without console and without exclusives
IntentionalPun
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While I COULD see it happening, it doesn't make much sense.
If the ports aren't selling that well, then they also are unlikely to be harming the PS5 business. That's the catch 22 I always point out to Sony fans who like to talk about Sony destroying their console but also in another thread will talk about how the PC ports flop. Pick one.
Their sales being slow doesn't mean they'll exit necessarily, just means they have a lot of room for growth on PC. According to them the ports are pretty quickly profitable as their games aren't bespoke flowers anymore only working on some weird architecture. They likely know exactly how to port away any unique use of PS5's architecture, because it's not dramatically different.
Now they could also just decide it's not worth it, but nobody but Sony knows that, Jason is just guessing.
I believe pretty strongly that in general people either want to game on a console, or they are PC gamers who maybe also own consoles. People don't want PCs, they don't want to pay for them, they don't want to deal with their idiosyncrocies, and they don't care about all of the extra games from genres they aren't interested in. In GENERAL.
Those who are already PC gamers who might not buy a PS6/PS5 probably weren't buying a lot of 3rd party games either. Sony isn't missing much buy selling them PC copies of their games.
If the ports aren't selling that well, then they also are unlikely to be harming the PS5 business. That's the catch 22 I always point out to Sony fans who like to talk about Sony destroying their console but also in another thread will talk about how the PC ports flop. Pick one.
Their sales being slow doesn't mean they'll exit necessarily, just means they have a lot of room for growth on PC. According to them the ports are pretty quickly profitable as their games aren't bespoke flowers anymore only working on some weird architecture. They likely know exactly how to port away any unique use of PS5's architecture, because it's not dramatically different.
Now they could also just decide it's not worth it, but nobody but Sony knows that, Jason is just guessing.
I believe pretty strongly that in general people either want to game on a console, or they are PC gamers who maybe also own consoles. People don't want PCs, they don't want to pay for them, they don't want to deal with their idiosyncrocies, and they don't care about all of the extra games from genres they aren't interested in. In GENERAL.
Those who are already PC gamers who might not buy a PS6/PS5 probably weren't buying a lot of 3rd party games either. Sony isn't missing much buy selling them PC copies of their games.
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reinking
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I think Sony will do it on a game-by-game basis. They have never ever said all of their games will come to PC. Ever. People just keep pushing that narrative. If it takes a multiplatform deal to get the license, so be it. GAAS/Multipalyer that leads to more DLC? Why not? They are not backing away as much as they have never been fully committed.
analog_future
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Not a Playstation Studios game though.
Fess
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It's just not enough games to be worth investing in hardware for. Last year they released what? Death Stranding 2 and Yotei?
Worth investing in new hardware for those? Nah.
midnightAI
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I think he's more talking about internally developed games, not ones by second/third party
cormack12
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I mean at the rate they are putting games out from their T1 studio's, its like 1 every 5/6 years. That cadence can't carry an expensive console imo. And I say that as an owner of 2 PS5's.
But I thought it was well known that their PC ports were profitable enough to justify the costs? Significantly as well. Or aren't they?
I mean I agree with his point about dipping the toe in to test the market, but this is probably not good news when taken in tandem with 'monetize our existing customers further than grow'.
Either way, of the two strategies I'm pretty sure I'd rather see the back of the GaaS push although Hunters Gatherings actually looks like my jam
But I thought it was well known that their PC ports were profitable enough to justify the costs? Significantly as well. Or aren't they?
I mean I agree with his point about dipping the toe in to test the market, but this is probably not good news when taken in tandem with 'monetize our existing customers further than grow'.
Either way, of the two strategies I'm pretty sure I'd rather see the back of the GaaS push although Hunters Gatherings actually looks like my jam
BennyBlanco
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Their big games keep flopping outside a few exceptions. Must be very embarrassing. PC gamers do not want to climb the yellow mustard lines while a NPC marvel quips in the lesbian protag's ear. If they actually do this I hope it means the return of free agent Nixxes and they don't get a life sentence of porting Horizon GaaS games to PC.
Tiago Rodrigues
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Because just like Death Stranding 2 it's not their IP. And these deals are made years in advance...this deal was probably made after the success of the first game by Jim Ryan.
hououinkyouma00
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I 100% agree with this. The start of Xbox's failure started with Xbox Play Anywhere.
I do think Sony's strategy is easier to reverse than Xbox's just because Sony's isn't a 100% thing and the timeline is sort of all over the place.
You do realize that neither of these games are made by PlayStation Studios, right?
Free? It's free in the same way that games on game pass and PS+ are "free".
It's cheap in comparison to developing a new game but it's not free as it still requires dev time and resources.
mayham2199
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Is it dumb? I don't know. I saw a lot of people saying they weren't getting a PS6 because they don't need it now.
ByWatterson
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IntentionalPun
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Well nevermind then.
Sorry forgot imgur was banned in UK:
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Kacho
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Things are getting interesting
Well nevermind then.
Magic Carpet
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One less gaming company I won't be buying games from.
I'm sure Sony will be sad to see me go. They needed my 1 game every few years to stay in the black.
I'm sure Sony will be sad to see me go. They needed my 1 game every few years to stay in the black.
Zacfoldor
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Me too. That's why I think Wolverine SHOULD never see PC. It has the potential to be a system seller SP adult experience and a prestige piece of software for PS5 and PS6.
Why throw it out on PC to die a year later when it could be front and center for Playstation marketing for 5 years and then unceremoniously dumped on PC when it is time for the sequel.
That way you don't lose MOST of the multiplat money but you keep the one game that really matters.
Ohh, this is good info. Thank you. I wonder why Scherier said this:Bullshit, we know that Insomniac is contractually obligated to release the game on PC
Edit:Zacfoldor I have some bad news for you. Mind you it's not limited to Wolverine but all X-Men games, same applies to Marvel releases (including the futur Spider-Man 3)
Kirk: Really? You think they could close that door and start to say nevermind Ghost of Tsushima 3 is only going to be on PlayStation?
Jason: I do. I do and I mean even if they don't, we are seeing Wolverine is coming in September 15th, and that's not coming to PC its coming to PlayStation 5 only.
Kirk: You don't think that'll come to PC?
Jason: I wouldn't be surprised if it never came to PC, but even if it does you have a strong idea of what that is and that you need a PlayStation to play it at least for the indefinite future.
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Ellis
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I highly, highly doubt they care about a few thousand users playing their games on a PC handheld that has an Xbox logo on the front.
midnightAI
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Cool, and I agree it will come it on PC, however, because this isnt a product that has been released then the terms of the contact (given sufficient compensation) could be modified if both parties agree.Bullshit, we know that Insomniac is contractually obligated to release the game on PC
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Tiago Rodrigues
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lmao! People eating crow in here soon. Lemme see myself out and come back tomorrow.
Well nevermind then.
diffusionx
Gold Member
This is an exaggeration (sort of) but look at how Nintendo released Super Mario on iPhone. It went from SUPER MARIO to just another iPhone game competing with all the bullshit on the app store, and Nintendo got BTFO. Even if the game did ok they decided it wasn't worth it to navigate that market with their top games and those games have more value as being eclusive to their own platform.
huh, if anything that screengrab implies there is more here than just a hunch
Well nevermind then.
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FalsettoVibe
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Well nevermind then.
Well, well......
Embearded
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It's pretty simple, they devalue their own platform, lose console sales and the 30% they would get from third party sales.
I do not believe though it's clear if they lose more than they earn by publishing on PC. I will not believe anyone who supports either side with absolute certainty.
It sounds like a personal opinion, but who knows? Certainly, the current feeling isn't that there's a change. Ghost of Yotei could be a starting point to see if there's any shift in strategy, given that it's the last AAA single-player game from a first-party studio.
That said, to recap... if you remove the GAS games, the first-party AA games, and the AAA single-player games created by external studios but published by PlayStation (second-party)... In the current situation, with development times of 5+ years for AAA single-player games, we're talking about 1 exclusive game (maximum 2) per year, or ~8 games in a whole generation that wouldn't even make it to PC...? I have no idea if, from a business point of view, there could be a significant difference in releasing everything except few single-player games a long a generation.
That said, to recap... if you remove the GAS games, the first-party AA games, and the AAA single-player games created by external studios but published by PlayStation (second-party)... In the current situation, with development times of 5+ years for AAA single-player games, we're talking about 1 exclusive game (maximum 2) per year, or ~8 games in a whole generation that wouldn't even make it to PC...? I have no idea if, from a business point of view, there could be a significant difference in releasing everything except few single-player games a long a generation.
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rodrigolfp
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Then why should they care about people playing on a "desktop" PC with an Xbox logo??
mayham2199
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Ok well now this is different.
Well nevermind then.
License terms can be changed we know MS changed the terms with Indian Jones. Marvel doesn't care if a game comes to PC, they care if they get paid. Considering Sony has probably over delivered for them I'm sure they are more than happy to adjust the terms for Sony.Bullshit, we know that Insomniac is contractually obligated to release the game on PC
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ElFenomeno
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silvergun0595
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1.Intensifying competition with NS2
2.Steam Machine is about to enter the living room market
3.PC port sales have declined significantly in the past two years.
Mr Moose
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firegamer273
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well only time will tell now if ghost of yotei doesnt gets pc release this year then it could be true .
Zacfoldor
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Hyet
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Well, yeah. But the ROI is so big is basically free money. Costs you a port, sells like a AAA new release. Who the hell wouldn't do that given Sony's resources?
thebigmanjosh
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Yeah and it doesn't sound any different from how they've already operated?
Majority of games are only announced for and shipped on PS outside of a few cases, with only a handful of games coming to PC years after.
FalsettoVibe
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What is this? Reminder that Jason Schreier is an ass? Like it or not......dude is pretty accurate. Also, your post doesn't really have much to do with this thread other than to derail it.
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It makes sense, single player games are needed to differentiate their platform from the rest.
Which means they can only be released as late ports which has probably proved pointless in terms of numbers.
Multiplayer games need big communities and massive mindshare to succeed so excluding at least a PC day one release is not in their best interests.
Which means they can only be released as late ports which has probably proved pointless in terms of numbers.
Multiplayer games need big communities and massive mindshare to succeed so excluding at least a PC day one release is not in their best interests.
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corgiix3
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You assume that $2.3 Bill more was only possible cause of PC? Maybe that took away 2.3B of the revenue they would have made on PS?
Uhm...yeah. I think I will follow the money and call bullshit on this one.
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