Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Pass. There are better things to enjoy my time with before the embrace of death than smashing my head on the keyboard in a PvP game
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NeoMengy
Neophyte
Yep, playing in the weekday mornings for the US server is very chill and friendly. Its the evenings and weekends which get bloody.
CentralScrutinizer
Member
Tried it on steam via my family library. Made it to the character creator. Why do these games only let you make ugly ass monstrosity of characters that represents no one at all?
nemiroff
Gold Member
Just now, two guys stood on a roof shooting at a bombardier with some weak ass handguns, so I thought I'd help them from another roof. As soon as my first bullet hit the bombardier , they immediately turned their guns at me and started shooting
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Let's do it. I'm down for BF6, too!Fuck. I think I'm gonna jump in. The more I see of this game the more I like it.
CrustyBritches whatcha think?
brokenwatch
Member
I don't really like PvP... at all. And I'm really enjoying this game. I can tell that the game would be better though if I played regularly with the same folks versus random people or solo.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
So is this game basically a The Division dark zone type of pvp game only? Pretty much all I've heard is about people killing and stealing each others loot. Does it not have epic bosses that require a team of players to overcome? Am I just getting half the picture here or what?
Insane Metal
Member
I'm pretty sure there is. Some machines are huge from what I've seen.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Hope you've noticed the meshing of the PvP and PvE crowd in this one.
Pretty sure you said it couldn't be done.
dreamstation
Member
Shhh don't give it away! I've been swinging by there for several days now whenever I go buried city. Sometimes it has a weapon crate as well.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
I said people who don't like PvP and are in it for the PvE will eventually bounce off this game due to PvP. That is unless the game implements a PvE only mode.
Here, my exact words:
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sainraja
Member
I have been playing through this since its release, and I am liking it. I can't help but feel that it should have had a horror theme. It makes me think, what a missed opportunity by naughtydog, who could have converted their factions mode to something like this. When you leave your secure area, you are gathering resources for your home base, and you could face the infected (clicker, bloater, etc.). I dunno. Anyway, I am having more fun with this than I thought I would. I do wish we could keep or have one main weapon, that we could improve, etc. Like feel some type of ownership over some of our gear… but you can't have everything lol,
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I do feel that it might get old… I will only play a few sessions in a given day and switch to something else. But I think, for me, that is okay, for a game like this. I am not sure what else can be done to fix that.
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I do feel that it might get old… I will only play a few sessions in a given day and switch to something else. But I think, for me, that is okay, for a game like this. I am not sure what else can be done to fix that.
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sainraja
Member
Well, is ARC Raiders available on Game Pass?
clarky
Gold Member
There a bunch of us in the second post just add us if you need a group. Give me yours if you'd like to be added.
Solo's is excellent though.
Seem's to be getting more popular as I've caught a few of the less vigilant random raiders in that area.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
We all eventually bounce off every game. That's not a useful parameter in the discussion of genre growth.
ARC Raiders, and this genre, are growing because it caters to a wider set of players. PvE players are jumping in ($39.99) because they see a space they can access the fantasy. Judging by a lot of reactions at NeoGAF (a PvE stronghold), the design concept is working. I'm seeing names here who have been anti GAAS types buying this title and loving it.
Another thing you may not have considered is that most people actually have weighted, and constantly fluctuating preferences for both PvP and PvE. There are very few gamers who permanently silo themselves into only one type. Gamers are much more complex than the binary some created.
This is why this game is a legit Mario 64 moment. This meshing of PvP and PvE has created a nuclear energy in games. It's subtle, but it's every bit as industry altering.
The Battle Royale genre is in trouble. Watch.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
How much total playtime have you put into the game? Your reaction sounds pretty similar to Jeff Gerstmans...
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Normally, yeah. But a live service? One with heavy multiplayer elements on top? Those need to retain players, and the players who'll stick around won't the the "SP" ones. At the end of the day it'll be cathering to people who like multiplayer.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I can assure you, the rest of the industry is marveling at two things right now...
1. "How did Embark get so many players who prefer PvE to buy ARC Raiders?"
2. "How did Embark get so many PvE players to enjoy ARC Raiders?"
Players with strong PvE preferences will bounce off ARC Raiders quicker than the rest but Embark has made brilliant inroads with these people.
The rest of the industry is taking notes.
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Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Sorry to break it to you but "the industry" is too busy shooting themselves in the foot.
And for all your talking up this game as some kind of turning point, this wasn't even the biggest release of 2025 - Silksong was even bigger than it; a bonafide, traditional singleplayer game. I guarantee THAT one is causing a lot more head-scratching among corpos than yet another live service shooter game. Not to mention other titles like Monster Hunter Wilds or some Nintendo games which were way more massive than this.
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sainraja
Member
About 12 hours or so… not sure how many runs, is there a way to check?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Embark sure didn't.
Silksong sold an estimated 4.5 million copies at $19.99 a pop...with no MTX.
Yeah, pretty sure the whole industry sees ARC Raiders as exponentially larger...and we're just a week into launch.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
You mean an estimated 4.5 million copies 2 weeks after launch, and that was despite being on gamepass day 1. Reached almost 600k CCU on steam alone which is 1.5 times more than ARC raiders currently got.
So yeah, sorry your next-mario-64-moment™ isn't nowhere as impressive as you're trying making it out to be. BTW, i completely forgot Monster Hunter Wilds also released this year. That one was massive, it dwarves either of those two.
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clarky
Gold Member
Need to see where this game is in six months and if it has any legs. MHW got off to a flyer but ultimately shat the bed as it wasn't very good.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Pretty much. The biggest issue with retaining players in a extraction game is the whole thing with losing gear. I'm sure many hardcore types of players don't mind, however this can be a big turn off, especially for the crowd that isn't too into the PvP element. Imagine taking some expensive weapon on a run only to be killed by some random try-hard doing bunnyhops no-scopes - or a cheater.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Right but it sold for $19.99. ARC Raiders sells for $39.99/$59.99 and has MTX. Retention metrics also seem to show a quick drop, which is expected for a SP game.
ARC Raiders is also still climbing.
Let's put it this way, no AAA publisher in the industry would take the Hollow Knight IP over ARC Raiders. That's silly.
Monster Hunter Wilds is an established IP that sold well (and has dismal retention). The industry isn't studying Monster Hunter right now. There will be no wave of monster hunting games like there is for Extraction.
No one has called the monster hunting genre the next Mario 64 moment.
This is the future of games.
MetalRain
Member
I like how game streamlined the genre, free loadout at anytime really reduces the loot anxiety. Great for doing all BS quests.
However at the same time it means higher tier gear is not worth the effort. You can spend hours of gathering the perfect gear, but then lose it in minutes to person running free loadout.
Higher tier gear "wants to have" Tarkov style insurance mechanic, but that is too complex and calculating for the vibe.
One easy fix could be change in blueprint system, give players option of breaking the weapon and learning the blueprint in the process. This means you don't have to find the gun by accident every time you want to have high tier weapon. Just find it once and then have reliable even if costly way of having it again.
However at the same time it means higher tier gear is not worth the effort. You can spend hours of gathering the perfect gear, but then lose it in minutes to person running free loadout.
Higher tier gear "wants to have" Tarkov style insurance mechanic, but that is too complex and calculating for the vibe.
One easy fix could be change in blueprint system, give players option of breaking the weapon and learning the blueprint in the process. This means you don't have to find the gun by accident every time you want to have high tier weapon. Just find it once and then have reliable even if costly way of having it again.
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Guilty_AI
Gold Member
And has way, way more maintenance costs than the 2D single-player metroidvania.
Anyway, i don't belong in this thread and spent way too long here, seeing as i have 0 interest in playing this. Have fun or whatever. Ciao.
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bender
What time is it?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Can't remember who at Embark said it but there was some launch week interview where the dev was asked about their longer term roadmap and the response was they don't have one. They wanted to see how players were interacting with the game before they built the rest of it.
I'm sure they have some vague idea of what they want to do for 2026 and beyond but the answer was pretty surprising. I'll post it here if I can find it.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Well, good luck if you think 2D metroidvsnias are the future of gaming.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Dunno if they're the future, but i definitely expect a lot more 2D metroidvsnias to keep being made than extraction shooters
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Because they're stuck in the indie space while AAA publishers are chasing Extraction.Dunno if they're the future, but i definitely expect a lot more 2D metroidvsnias to keep being made than extraction shooters
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Well, chasing trends has clearly worked out very well for them, so i'll pray they'll keep doing just that
BigBeauford
Member
Putting a silencer on a Ferro is a real treat.
clarky
Gold Member
Lies. Silencers do not exist in this game.
Luipadre
Member
Man i hate when a wolfpack grenade locks on to a different arc from miles away. I died because it didnt kill the rocketeer, half of the rockets flew away to a different target... I only have 3 more and i need to kill leapers, rocketeer, bombardier and bastion 
Might aswell buy a hullcracker
Might aswell buy a hullcracker
kur07
Member
Same on EU server.
clarky
Gold Member
Or the joke just went right over your head.Mario 64 moment lmaooooo
Biggest GAF delusion of 2025
KaiserBecks
Member
You can kill them with sticky grenades and a couple of heavy ammo shots as well. You just need to be patient.Man i hate when a wolfpack grenade locks on to a different arc from miles away. I died because it didnt kill the rocketeer, half of the rockets flew away to a different target... I only have 3 more and i need to kill leapers, rocketeer, bombardier and bastion
Might aswell buy a hullcracker
GHG
Member
He's crying because it's not far off being true.
Some of the most fun I've had in an online game ever.
GHG
Member
Yep, as a gamer who loves and lives for emergent gameplay opportunities in games, this game has more of that than I've ever witnessed/experienced in an online game before.