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[bender]

some of yall cheering for them to go third party dont realize how bad its going to be to have 1 platform. im not counting nintendo.
Consumers need the 2 choices, otherwise enjoy the anti consumer changes were going to get to PS

You aren't counting Nintendo while most of the world doesn't count Xbox.

 

[OverHeat]

Once I would have given a fuck….good thing I bailed out

 

[Clintizzle]

Why would it suck for xbros if they still bring out all games for xbox and gamepass continues? There may even still be timed exclusives.

Yeah I'm still trying to figure why this is bad for xbox gamers.

If I were to guess, a lot of people in this forum are more concerned with console sales than actually playing games. They probably see fewer xbox exclusives translate to fewer xbox console sales. Which, is a 100% correct.

 

[poppabk]

Microsoft is desperate because it invested more than 100 billion dollars buying studios and influencers, but it is not working, hardware sales are disgraceful and gamepass has been stagnant for a long time. So Xbox fanboys should be happy with Xbox games coming to Playstation and Switch.

Yeah they bought Activision and were immediately going "did it work yet".

 

[ReBurn]

The console war is finally over. We should celebrate by playing video games

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

some of yall cheering for them to go third party dont realize how bad its going to be to have 1 platform. im not counting nintendo.
Consumers need the 2 choices, otherwise enjoy the anti consumer changes were going to get to PS

Choices matter when the choices are comparable cause it drives those choices to become better to stay competitive, in this case they are not, or at least they are no longer.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Does GAF think it was Starfield that triggered this or could they have made their minds up before?

kind of:

if i remember correctly i had 4 scenarios.

1. Have the cake and eat it too. (best case scenario)
Starfield is in the top 3 NPDs for the month, game pass subscribers increase substantially (around 2M) and Xbox console sales skyrocket around 600%.

2. expected scenario:
Starfield is in the top 5, game pass subscribers increase a bit and consoles also increse in sales.

3. bad:
Game pass subs really dont increase that much but game sales are good, console sales are up.

why is this bad? because it will be opposite to what MS is trying to push.

4. catastrophic:
GP subs are not really up, consoles sales are down and star field is not selling that well.

MS's/bethesa's behavior kind of indicates it was some combination of 2 and 4. despite having a strong pre-luch and first week window and in some territories xbox sales increasing by 100% it seems the positive momentum didn't really had legs.

one month after Starfield's release, Nadella dropped GP's growth for executive compensation.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I don't think his words are being taken out of context at all. What he said was pretty clear. Now perhaps he didn't understand the implication of what he said. If he had then perhaps he might have been more careful with his words. Or maybe he knew exactly what he was saying. Not sure.

Either way, Nadella just poured more gas on the "MS going third party fire" whether he intended to or not.

I don't see MS going third party only ever.
They are not going to kill Xbox .

If they to release all their games on other platform along with the Xbox, then Xbox is dead . No reason to buy one since PlayStation will have the same games plus their own games.

They didn't spend 70 billion$ just so they can go 3rd party lol. Zero logic behind this and this is why I said there is a big chance it's out of context.

The only way I can ever see the Xbox brand is dead if Sony allow full game pass on their platform ( not gonna happen ) + on nintendo ( not gonna happen either ).


I'll stand by what I said. Only some selective multiplayer games or niche games will maybe hit the other consoles to generate more sales. Nothing from the big hitters.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I knew you were going to list those games, lol. There is a clause that MS cannot take Minecraft away from Playstation. Which Bethesda and Activision games released on Playstation? You talking about the ones that they already made deals with Playstation prior to buying them? C’mon son.

I guess you are right . I don't keep track of what a company release on other platform.

They probably never did.

But as I said in the other post. All the big games will be Xbox exclusive IMO. Otherwise Indiana Jones would have been the first to hit PlayStation for example when it was just recently confirmed exclusive.

This was just ME CEO speaking in general and people here are freaking out ( no disrespect )

And if I am wrong fuck it. I have both PlayStation and PC. I am golden

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

just go third party

once he retires

 

[Nvzman]

Look, i think some people enjoy a good "console warring" banter. I mean, Halo vs Killzone or GT vs Forza and the specs warz and things like that....I will choose to belive that some influncers online (From Xbox and PlayStation) engage in console warz just like your WWE Wrestlers...is part of the show.

Now, this "show" can only work when you have competition, and both contenders try their best to win, otherwise its just a ridiculous delusional and a sad display of ass-licking. So i dont have any sympathy for these kind of individuals than keep making excuses for the richest company in the world who had the PC and console market served in silver platter alongside the shift to a western way of making games. But even more pathetic than making excuses for a company is thinking these executives are your friend.....´member? "Our Acquisition" Our pal Phil "one of us" Spencer.

But at the same time, I will choose to believe that these influencers really are 'fanboys' and feel truly betrayed, heartbroken, and blueballed... that makes me chuckle XD.

Yea, the truth is Xbox just isn't worth giving a fuck about anymore in terms of exclusives. Console warring was fun when MS was actually trying to compete with Sony and not whatever the hell they are doing now.

 

[Topher]

I don't see MS going third party only ever.
They are not going to kill Xbox .

If they to release all their games on other platform along with the Xbox, then Xbox is dead . No reason to buy one since PlayStation will have the same games plus their own games.

They didn't spend 70 billion$ just so they can go 3rd party lol. Zero logic behind this and this is why I said there is a big chance it's out of context.

The only way I can ever see the Xbox brand is dead if Sony allow full game pass on their platform ( not gonna happen ) + on nintendo ( not gonna happen either ).


I'll stand by what I said. Only some selective multiplayer games or niche games will maybe hit the other consoles to generate more sales. Nothing from the big hitters.

Not saying you are necessarily wrong about what games could be on PS in the future. Just saying Nadella made the waters quite a bit murkier with his statement.

I think ABK stays multplat entirely myself. Even long past those 10 year contracts. And actually that very well may be the context in which Nadella was speaking. I think the ABK acquisition was partially just a smart buy at the right time, but also a contingency for a post-console Microsoft gaming. I certainly do not think MS spent $70 billion as some last ditch effort to save Xbox consoles. That would be Nokia all over again. So yeah, could easily see some selective Xbox games from other studios going multiplat at the same time though.

But it is still all speculation until we get game/platform announcements.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Dragouth so excited about making a thread, he forgot to add excited to his quote.

 

[angrod14]

I'm tired of all this cryptic PR shit. Either tell exactly what you're gonna do or just stfu.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Does GAF think it was Starfield that triggered this or could they have made their minds up before?

I think they were already thinking about it, but Starfield's performance was the last nail in the coffin that broke the camel's back.

After all ...

 

[SlimySnake]

They have talked to Sony in prior years about bringing games to PlayStation and Sony said no.

They wanted to start with MP versions on games like Halo

Sony said no to halo infinite f2p?

Weird. Was it attached to gamepass or no strings attached?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Not saying you are necessarily wrong about what games could be on PS in the future. Just saying Nadella made the waters quite a bit murkier with his statement.

I think ABK stays multplat entirely myself. Even long past those 10 year contracts. And actually that very well may be the context in which Nadella was speaking. I think the ABK acquisition was partially just a smart buy at the right time, but also a contingency for a post-console Microsoft gaming. I certainly do not think MS spent $70 billion as some last ditch effort to save Xbox consoles. That would be Nokia all over again. So yeah, could easily see some selective Xbox games from other studios going multiplat at the same time though.

But it is still all speculation until we get game/platform announcements.

At the same time, it makes no sense to have your biggest first party publisher as multiplatform, and yet let Bethesda continue making exclusives that are sent to die.

It's not a cohesive or confident strategy.

 

[XXL]

You aren't counting Nintendo while most of the world doesn't count Xbox.

 

[Fredrik]

Pretty sure this is about having enough IPs and studios to isolate Gamepass into a platform bubble on it’s own to push out everywhere, not physical and digital Xbox games on other consoles.

They’ll likely start doing Gamepass exclusives too since Gamepass is essentially their platform and they know exclusives is how you drive people to your platform.

I could be wrong but I don’t think I am.

Don’t know if Call of Duty could be used as a Trojan horse to get Gamepass onto other platforms. It’ll be something that is deemed to be significant in the market like that anyway. Won’t be Hi-Fi Rush.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Preparing their fanboys to becoming third parties, step by step. Xbox consoles will still keep being released but all their games will be released on all platforms on day one.

A few already seem "prepared" here and are trying to convince others that it is completely normal and the future of the gaming industry.

 

[bender]

Don’t know if Call of Duty could be used as a Trojan horse to get Gamepass onto other platforms.

I don't think you need a trojan horse. Let's just use PlayStation as the hypothetical. As long as the subscription and any potential game sales, DLC sales, MTX sales, etc. are transacted through PSN (so Sony gets their 30% cut) and any online components utilize Sony's infrastructure, I don't see Sony saying no as it is no different than EA Play or GTA+.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I don't think his words are being taken out of context at all. What he said was pretty clear. Now perhaps he didn't understand the implication of what he said. If he had then perhaps he might have been more careful with his words. Or maybe he knew exactly what he was saying. Not sure.

Either way, Nadella just poured more gas on the "MS going third party fire" whether he intended to or not.

CEOs know perfectly the implications of every word they say.

I've worked with multiple CEOs in my career, especially in regard to communication and public messaging. Every statement, every answer to a possible question, every single word in those statements, is meticulously prepared, reviewed, and edited until it is perfect. And the CEO has approved it.

And they spit it out exactly, time after time after time.

It is 100% evident to me that Satya had prepared this answer beforehand. Also, notice the question was about the "health of Xbox". Satya didn't answer anything about it: revenue, rising costs, operational expenditures, MAU growth, profitability, forecasts, etc.

He had an answer prepared, which he just delivered -- even though it wasn't the answer the person asked at all.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Pretty sure this is about having enough IPs and studios to isolate Gamepass into a platform bubble on it’s own to push out everywhere, not physical and digital Xbox games on other consoles.

They’ll likely start doing Gamepass exclusives too since Gamepass is essentially their platform and they know exclusives is how you drive people to your platform.

I could be wrong but I don’t think I am.

Don’t know if Call of Duty could be used as a Trojan horse to get Gamepass onto other platforms. It’ll be something that is deemed to be significant in the market like that anyway. Won’t be Hi-Fi Rush.

It's not a platform.

They eventually want to do Game Pass exclusive games, but the way they are going and how GP is not growing, they are unlikely to do it ever (which is fantastic news for all!)

At the end of the day, Game Pass only constitutes 10-15% of revenue for the entire Xbox division and, logically speaking, is a loss-leading product that isn't growing either. They can't and won't make Game Pass exclusive games.

 

[Edmund]

This gif is so appropriate because this person is wearing Green.

 

[RickSanchez]

Am i going crazy ? Everyone in this thread is jumping to conclusions based on a random quote which seems to have been improvised during an interview, and yet, the quote actually doesnt say anything new.

Even assuming it is an improvised quote (and not a prepared one), he seems to have worded it carefully enough to not confirm anything really. Microsoft already puts out games on what they consider "multiple platforms" because they count their two xboxes, PC and cloud.

GAF jumping to conclusions as usual.

 

[thismeinteil]

some of yall cheering for them to go third party dont realize how bad its going to be to have 1 platform. im not counting nintendo.
Consumers need the 2 choices, otherwise enjoy the anti consumer changes were going to get to PS

There would be three competitors still. Sony, Nintendo (especially with their more powerful Switch 2), and PC. So Sony still can't screw up or the more casual gamers will move to Switch 2 and the more power geared players will invest in a decent PC.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I look forward to PlayStation gamers subsiding the games I get to play through my GP sub. I get to play games on the cheap, you get to purchase games at full price, everybody's happy.

Good luck with your GaaS push when MS is looking to beat you to your own market with their own wildly successful GaaS titles. I guess you'll just have to be happy with the 30%.

 

[semiconscious]

'i always say microsoft is not a conglomerate. we have one platform that we express through multiple, different addressable markets, and gaming is one...'

i'm imagining nadella standing there at the pearly gates & explaining to st pete why he shouldn't be sent to hell using this same kind of gibberish nonsense talk. best of luck, satya...

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

They didn't spend 70 billion$ just so they can go 3rd party lol.

i was just listening to the xbox two podcast. (they have contacts inside xbox)

rand said that he heard that behind the scenes after the 70B acquisition, Xbox needs the "make money on that immediately"

 

[Fredrik]

I don't think you need a trojan horse. Let's just use PlayStation as the hypothetical. As long as the subscription and any potential game sales, DLC sales, MTX sales, etc. are transacted through PSN (so Sony gets their 30% cut) and any online components utilize Sony's infrastructure, I don't see Sony saying no as it is no different than EA Play or GTA+.

Gamepass could hurt regular game sales, I don’t think Sony want their customers to ever think ”Maybe it’ll come to Gamepass”. But if Microsoft’s way to have Call of Duty on Playstation consoles for 10 years is through Gamepass on Playstation, then Sony might feel like they have to do it.

 

[DAHGAMING]

He probably already knew, a number of those guys were told about it recently and were given scripts for handling the communications.

hes probably been having nightmares of PS gamers busting the Gears collection on there PS5 pro, haptics top frames and resolution, the advert during the superbowl saying its the best way to play.

 

[bender]

Gamepass could hurt regular game sales, I don’t think Sony want their customers to ever think ”Maybe it’ll come to Gamepass”. But if Microsoft’s way to have Call of Duty on Playstation consoles for 10 years is through Gamepass on Playstation, then Sony might feel like they have to do it.

You'd have to think that if Game Pass makes its' way to other platforms, it's going to be for MGS titles only. Which again would be no different than EA Play.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Am i going crazy ? Everyone in this thread is jumping to conclusions based on a random quote which seems to have been improvised during an interview, and yet, the quote actually doesnt say anything new.

Even assuming it is an improvised quote (and not a prepared one), he seems to have worded it carefully enough to not confirm anything really. Microsoft already puts out games on what they consider "multiple platforms" because they count their two xboxes, PC and cloud.

GAF jumping to conclusions as usual.

Meanwhile, the statement:
"We think that now, we have the ability to really do what we've always set out to do, which is to build great games and deliver them to folks on all platforms."

 

[havoc00]

Nadella is low energy we need big dick MS energy back with Ballmer​

 

[Edmund]

Gamepass could hurt regular game sales, I don’t think Sony want their customers to ever think ”Maybe it’ll come to Gamepass”. But if Microsoft’s way to have Call of Duty on Playstation consoles for 10 years is through Gamepass on Playstation, then Sony might feel like they have to do it.

Gotta be dumb asf to sub to gamepass just to play COD. Get it for $70 or wait for a 30% discount in December or better still, get it used and trade it in when the next COD releases.

 

[twilo99]

So if you really read between the lines here it sounds like they are indeed shutting down xbox console production very, very soon.

 

[Fredrik]

You'd have to think that if Game Pass makes its' way to other platforms, it's going to be for MGS titles only. Which again would be no different than EA Play.

Nobody is going to subscribe to Gamepass if it’s only MGS titles. That’s like 2-4 games per year.
I think they’ll go through the whole library and put together a curated list depending on what gets ported just like they do on PC. And eventually, in a decade or so, they’ll have the same library everywhere when things are running from servers.

 

[twilo99]

Straight from the horse's mouth...

"xbox is a core business now"

Would you look at that.. xbox all grown up

 

[Killjoy-NL]

That's kinda how I took it too. I fully believe they'll still want to have some things that makes their exclusive platform appealing too.

What exclusive platform?

Maybe GamePass, which we'll likely see on Playstation and Nintendo as well in some form.

Anyway, Xbox is officially one foot out of the competition as platform-holder.

Who could've seen this coming? /s

 

[ahtlas7]

Went from the perpetual rumored: ‘going to buy Sega’ to becoming Sega?

 

[RickSanchez]

Meanwhile, the statement:
"We think that now, we have the ability to really do what we've always set out to do, which is to build great games and deliver them to folks on all platforms."

And that still doesn't mean anything. It seems to be an off the cuff statement in an interview that covered many other topics. It would be so easy for them to spin that any other way. "Oh we meant all except competitor platforms" or "oh we meant all platforms that we already release to". Take your pick.

I understand the impulse behind wanting this to mean something more; but sometimes you really do clutch at straws.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Am i going crazy ? Everyone in this thread is jumping to conclusions based on a random quote which seems to have been improvised during an interview, and yet, the quote actually doesnt say anything new.

Even assuming it is an improvised quote (and not a prepared one), he seems to have worded it carefully enough to not confirm anything really. Microsoft already puts out games on what they consider "multiple platforms" because they count their two xboxes, PC and cloud.

GAF jumping to conclusions as usual.

So many knew the acquisition of Activision would not happen. So many like to think they’re in the know.

 

[bender]

Nobody is going to subscribe to Gamepass if it’s only MGS titles. That’s like 2-4 games per year.
I think they’ll go through the whole library and put together a curated list depending on what gets ported just like they do on PC. And eventually, in a decade or so, they’ll have the same library everywhere when things are running from servers.

They have a hefty backlog now thanks to their acquisitions.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Jim Ryan once said they believe in generations, yet we know how that turned out. Execs talk without knowing what they’re talking about.

News at 11.

 

[Adam_802]

Am i going crazy ? Everyone in this thread is jumping to conclusions based on a random quote which seems to have been improvised during an interview, and yet, the quote actually doesnt say anything new.

Even assuming it is an improvised quote (and not a prepared one), he seems to have worded it carefully enough to not confirm anything really. Microsoft already puts out games on what they consider "multiple platforms" because they count their two xboxes, PC and cloud.

GAF jumping to conclusions as usual.

Yeah, pretty typical and expected lol

 

[twilo99]

Any multiplayer game for example are just going to be making more sense when they are multi platform .

Yes, GaaS games only makes sense as "multiplatform" otherwise they are doomed..

 

[RickSanchez]

Jim Ryan once said they believe in generations, yet we know how that turned out. Execs talk without knowing what they’re talking about.

News at 11.

 

[Fredrik]

Gotta be dumb asf to sub to gamepass just to play COD. Get it for $70 or wait for a 30% discount in December or better still, get it used and trade it in when the next COD releases.

I’m talking about a scenario where they make COD exclusive to Gamepass if you want to keep playing it on Playstation, can’t wait for sales or get it used.

 

[bitbydeath]

Nadella is low energy we need big dick MS energy back with Ballmer​

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Its looking more n more like a case of....be careful what you wish for......

What if the ABK (and Bethesda) deal getting approved accelerated this multi platform plan.....

I'm willing to bet it's the sole reason.

Nobody seems to want to discuss the fact that buying ABK will be much cheaper in the long run to get their games on GP and release it on Playstation and Nintendo.

The fees to cover loss in revenue would otherwise be unreal.
All you have to do is look at game sales numbers being split by platform to see that Playstation share is insane compared to Xbox. And we've seen some numbers of fees that MS (expected) to pay to get games on GP to cover the tiny portion of their own share.