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Windows Central: Microsoft exploring bringing back catalog to Nintendo and PlayStation

Astray

Member
I doubt it is Starfield. But I think Microsoft is preparing the launch titles for PS4 Pro:messenger_tears_of_joy:
The timeline matches closely here in a similar fashion to the HiFi Rush port (within 4-5 quarters of original release).

It would be deeply ironic if Microsoft was a big part of Sony's PS5 Pro launch marketing tbh.
 
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Yeah, I think that the reason.



I doubt it is Starfield. But I think Microsoft is preparing the launch titles for PS4 Pro:messenger_tears_of_joy:


I would assume you're being silly, but I wouldn't be surprised if Starfield ends up on PS in some form. I believe it came out in the ABK battle it was originally planned or even in development before they got bought out.

Things like Diablo, Overwatch, CoD--those are already multiplatform and Microsoft was never going to secure CoD exclusivity and have that deal pass.

PS5 Pro could end up being another big issue for MS for a time, as Sony will have their base system and a system with slightly more graphical oomph.

MS, on the other hand, continues to have struggles due to the Series S causing devs headaches and hamstringing development.
 

Varteras

Gold Member
Yeah, I think that the reason.

But why would Sony even care enough about this if Housemarque does not make blockbuster games?

Bluepoint and Housemarque were certainly not purchased for their big, system selling games. One was doing remakes, which were awesome but not anything like God of War or Spiderman, and the other did more arcade-y games. So while either was possibly picked up because other companies were sniffing around or because Sony wanted to add their expertise in their style of development to their first party, it certainly wasn't because they expected games from them to be 10 million+ showstoppers.
 
And while doing so making it less meaningful to own an Xbox. Seems we really are moving in the direction where Xbox is just an app.

The PS5 and the Xbox have the same AMD chips inside them. Consoles are pretty boring and interchangeable these days.

There's not a single Xbox exclusive that you couldn't get to run on a PS5 with minimal work.
 
Not if another company took over or another company who understands gaming more made a console.
If SEGA magically had infinite money and never got out of consoles, Xbox would have never stood a chance to exist to begin with.

And now Xbox is overdue to get out of the way for some other corporation to take a crack at it. I don't care if it is Apple or Amazon. Back then i never thought Sony would be any good at making game consoles either, and it surprised me. Xbox has failed, someone else with a new plan and a fresh outlook should get a shot.
 
Where did you read that?
I saw in MrBoom's chat that somebody mentioned that. I don't have access to TH discord so I cannot check myself.

But why would Sony even care enough about this if Housemarque does not make blockbuster games, which is ALL they want?
They have the potential and also I think it was one of those cases where Sony did not want to lose the third party partner, capable of producing third person games. (Microsoft learnt that hard way in Xbox One era where their partners left or were bought out).

PS5 Pro could end up being another big issue for MS for a time, as Sony will have their base system and a system with slightly more graphical oomph.
Not really. PS4 Pro sold like 10% of the overall marketshare. Again, fundamentally Sony does not sell consoles to new people - those are literally the same people who bought PS4 - they just moved to PS5. And it is evident from the leaked MAU charts (there were also charts with MAU between Steam, EGS, PS, Xbox and only Steam grew immensely). I don't think PS5 Pro is an issue in the first place because people who want to buy Xbox will buy it or bought it already. Some people with PS5 will transition to PS5 Pro for example (which will be added to sales), but it won't change a thing as the person is still the same. People are playing Fortnite, COD, Minecraft and FIFA. And Switch is in 120m+ despite not being the graphical showcase :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Either PS5 Pro will be expensive (in order to generate profits from people who would upgrade), or it is an attempt to bring PC players (to play GTA6 maybe). But PC players don't even want to install other launchers :messenger_grinning_sweat:
Microsoft was never going to secure CoD exclusivity and have that deal pass.
The thing is that they could as (aside FTC) nobody cared about COD.

If SEGA magically had infinite money and never got out of consoles, Xbox would have never stood a chance to exist to begin with.
Sega would still collapse. The issue with Sega (aside losing third parties - but well maybe with money they could have bought EA at that time) is that their japanese headquarters believed that they still lived in Sega Mega Drive era and did not want to listen to their western execs. Peter Moore said as much.
 
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Varteras

Gold Member
And now Xbox is overdue to get out of the way for some other corporation to take a crack at it. I don't care if it is Apple or Amazon. Back then i never thought Sony would be any good at making game consoles either, and it surprised me. Xbox has failed, someone else with a new plan and a fresh outlook should get a shot.

Or, after slaying the beast, the two Japanese kaiju look at each other and realize that Tokyo ain't big enough for the both of them...


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NEbeast

Member
I really do think Microsoft is going to redefine what it means to be a platform holder moving forward.

They aren't abandoning their platform/hardware but they also aren't going to be afraid to publish games on rival platforms.
Do they really have a choice? They're getting absolutely smashed by Sony.
 

GHG

Gold Member
Talking about how they currently allow you to buy their games on Steam if you want instead of Microsoft Store. It seems like they’re okay with losing that cut knowing they’ll sell more games through Steam.

No facts, just crystal ball talk now. You’re not looking far away into the future, I definitely don’t expect launcher exclusivity to go away, quite the opposite. Right now Steam is gigantic so publishers want to be there for normal purchases, unless a bag of money exist, but subscription libraries have their own launchers and that segment will grow. And I expect all the big ones to have their own store with launcher within a decade or so for both normal purchases and subscription libraries, possibly not Nintendo but you never know. We’ll see plenty of timed exclusives like Sony do between PS and PC, driving people to use a brand-specific launcher is going to be a focus. And I think the end game is a brand-specific app scenario on the TV or mobile or PS portal like device with games running on a remote server. E-sport could possibly stay as it is.

They allow people to purchase their games from steam because they own them and still get the majority of the revenue cut. The majority of games sold on the Xbox platform are 3rd party games. If they enable their console customers to purchase those 3rd party games from a storefront that isn't the Xbox store then they will see zero of that money. It would be the stupidest thing they could ever do and it would make it pointless for them to continue making hardware (especially given the fact that they are not a hardware company).

As for the discussion around 3rd party launchers etc - the current trend is that 3rd party publishers are now returning to steam (and in general are returning to allowing their games to be on any many PC storefronts as possible - as an example you can purchase EA, Ubisoft and Rockstar games across Steam or Epic's launchers, Sony games are across GOG, Epic and Steam, CDPR's games are on all launchers possible) after they all attempted to sneak away and go it alone with their own launchers. EA returned (with their subscription service as well), Ubisoft have returned, Rockstar have returned, Microsoft have, Bethesda and Activision both did prior to being acquired. I don't know where you're coming up with the idea that anything different to that is happening (or is going to happen).
 
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Darsxx82

Member
Combat his argument. What’s going to suddenly drive hardware growth gen over gen?
The fact that some of you believe that it is necessary to argue against it is in line with what I was saying about the seriousness of the discussions in Neogaf....

First. The discussion would not be to test a change in the upward trend, it would be in any case about what should happen for the trend to become extremely downward and without any feasible remedy, which is what he defends...

Second. Ok, we are talking about XSeries only selling 2.5 million worldwide on average per year for the next 4 years... (in this supposedly disastrous year it has sold at least 8+ millions) And he makes that statement without knowing the effects on sales of the next big releases (Gears6, Indiana Jones, FH6, etc etc), the arrival of ABK games on Gamepass, the marketing and COD bundles, and price reductions, new controller....
And he say that an Xbox Next will only have a ceiling of 10-15 million in its entire life with the sole basis of a supposed "XSeries contagion effect" of a tendency to sell that ridiculous number of Xbox consoles annually.... Without any data about the exclusive strategy (I remember that MS can make everything exclusive to its consoles except COD), about the type of hardware, compatibility,...

I'm sorry, but there is no serious argument to discuss there. In any case, it would be to discuss the probabilities of his dreams or desires (as an Xbox hater) of a situation like this occurring.
 

Gavon West

Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Microsoft is about to be the largest company in the world due to Apple's antitrust issues.

That doesn't mean they haven't abandoned product lines before. Just because they're a massive company doesn't mean they'll keep throwing away good money after bad.

Look at the next 2 years, do you see any increase in market share on the horizon for Microsoft? It's straight decline for the next 2 years.

What does that mean for the next 5-10 years? It means people locked in on PlayStation. The greatest determinator of whether someone would buy the PS6 or the NextBox would be whether they buy a PS5 or not.

They made a big bet on GamePass and Day 1 PC that is certainly not paying off. They're going to have to adjust their market strategy to the reality that GamePass isn't growing and that Xbox is dying as a platform.
This reads like fan fiction.
 

Gavon West

Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
If SEGA magically had infinite money and never got out of consoles, Xbox would have never stood a chance to exist to begin with.

And now Xbox is overdue to get out of the way for some other corporation to take a crack at it. I don't care if it is Apple or Amazon. Back then i never thought Sony would be any good at making game consoles either, and it surprised me. Xbox has failed, someone else with a new plan and a fresh outlook should get a shot.
So Xbox is just supposed to forfeit their place for some poor sap who can't even begin to compete?? That's not how this works. Stadia already tried. Amazon isn't doing too well these days either.

Some gamers are just too invested in seeing Xbox leave the gaming space for......reasons, I guess?
 

twilo99

Member
That's why they've bought publishers.

Apparently even that doesn’t bring anything to the table..

70bn divided by 2bn a year = 35 years
Subtract the sales loss from Playstation and the income loss FROM XBOX/PC GP rentals and it probably goes to 40+ years.

That's how you would run a "profitable" business?!?
LMAO

If you really think about it Microsoft has absolutely no idea how to run a profitable business.. that company has been in a gutter for so long it’s truly astonishing that they are still a thing.
 
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The fact that some of you believe that it is necessary to argue against it is in line with what I was saying about the seriousness of the discussions in Neogaf....

First. The discussion would not be to test a change in the upward trend, it would be in any case about what should happen for the trend to become extremely downward and without any feasible remedy, which is what he defends...

Second. Ok, we are talking about XSeries only selling 2.5 million worldwide on average per year for the next 4 years... (in this supposedly disastrous year it has sold at least 8+ millions) And he makes that statement without knowing the effects on sales of the next big releases (Gears6, Indiana Jones, FH6, etc etc), the arrival of ABK games on Gamepass, the marketing and COD bundles, and price reductions, new controller....
And he say that an Xbox Next will only have a ceiling of 10-15 million in its entire life with the sole basis of a supposed "XSeries contagion effect" of a tendency to sell that ridiculous number of Xbox consoles annually.... Without any data about the exclusive strategy (I remember that MS can make everything exclusive to its consoles except COD), about the type of hardware, compatibility,...

I'm sorry, but there is no serious argument to discuss there. In any case, it would be to discuss the probabilities of his dreams or desires (as an Xbox hater) of a situation like this occurring.

How many units will XBS sell in 2024 and 2025?

This reads like fan fiction.

What part? Can you be specific? Gaz is that you?
 

Ar¢tos

Member
Thats what I’m saying! The company is as good as dead at this point.. every single thing they try obviously fails miserably.

Also, you forgot to add XBOX to your list.
While they are highly successful in many things, they aren't successful in everything they do, and Xbox is definitely not their most successful current venture.
 

Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
My dude went from normal to CAPS LOCK in just 15 days 🤣

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When do Xbox fanboys learn that nothing they scream will help? Look back at the start of the gen how hard (and here on Gaf) people were convinced the Xbox would destroy PS5 with the power narrative, multiplatform games and exclusives.

Look at it now...it's a sinking ship, the brand is dying and no one cares about Xbox other then 🍔 land.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They must be porting these games on their competitor platforms out of the sheer goodness of their hearts then!

"Porting these games?" The original rumor states only one, how many else are being ported that you're aware of?

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Astray

Member
So Xbox is just supposed to forfeit their place for some poor sap who can't even begin to compete?? That's not how this works. Stadia already tried. Amazon isn't doing too well these days either.
This is literally how Microsoft got into this console fight to begin with, but go off chief.

"Porting these games?" The original rumor states only one, how many else are being ported that you're aware of?

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He's talking about both this and As Dusk Falls.
 
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They must be porting these games on their competitor platforms out of the sheer goodness of their hearts then!
I actually think that's one possible interpretation, though I wouldn't phrase it like that. I don't think anyone thinks they ported / allowed ports of Ori because they thought they were going to strike it rich. I don't know anyone who thinks Hi-Fi Rush is going to do massive numbers anywhere, when even Bayonetta on Switch promoted and published by Nintendo struggles to break 1 million. I don't know anyone who thinks As Dusk Falls is going to fix the whole Xbox division from sales. About the only things left are goodwill, and just spreading IP awareness. It's a non-zero possibility they allowed Ori to be ported just to throw a bone to Moon Studios after how vocal they were about it. It's also likely they worry about talent retention for Tango Games and know how important they are, and this would allow them to show off their work in Japan and it does seem like a potential great fit for Switch. Nintendo let Platinum Games self-publish Wonderful 101 on Switch with a Kickstarter because they clearly are on friendly terms. As for As Dusk Falls, who knows honestly. We've seen 2nd party games on Xbox get raked over the coals like Rise of Tomb Raider or The Medium just for being associated with Xbox exclusivity, and it's possible Xbox is just throwing this small team a bone so they stay happy and keep a good relationship going. We just have to wait and see what's going on.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
He's talking about both this and As Dusk Falls.

I still don't think Microsoft had much to do with ADF's port, there was absolutely no fanfare from them about it, unlike Ori, which was promoted as coming to Switch on the official Xbox news website.

If Hi-Fi is indeed coming to other platform(s), and since it's a internal first party developed game, it will probably be promoted like a proper release.
 
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It seems like Tom Henderson mentioned in Discord that there will be 4 more games that will come to Switch 2 and 3 to PS5 this year, including "big exclusive game in Q4". Curious which games? :pie_thinking:
Tom Henderson replied that he did not say that. I guess false alarm. For now :messenger_tears_of_joy: But if HF Rush is coming, then other stuff is coming too.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
The fact that some of you believe that it is necessary to argue against it is in line with what I was saying about the seriousness of the discussions in Neogaf....

First. The discussion would not be to test a change in the upward trend, it would be in any case about what should happen for the trend to become extremely downward and without any feasible remedy, which is what he defends...

Second. Ok, we are talking about XSeries only selling 2.5 million worldwide on average per year for the next 4 years... (in this supposedly disastrous year it has sold at least 8+ millions) And he makes that statement without knowing the effects on sales of the next big releases (Gears6, Indiana Jones, FH6, etc etc), the arrival of ABK games on Gamepass, the marketing and COD bundles, and price reductions, new controller....
And he say that an Xbox Next will only have a ceiling of 10-15 million in its entire life with the sole basis of a supposed "XSeries contagion effect" of a tendency to sell that ridiculous number of Xbox consoles annually.... Without any data about the exclusive strategy (I remember that MS can make everything exclusive to its consoles except COD), about the type of hardware, compatibility,...

I'm sorry, but there is no serious argument to discuss there. In any case, it would be to discuss the probabilities of his dreams or desires (as an Xbox hater) of a situation like this occurring.
The fact that you couldn’t reply without extra bullshit is your problem.

Fact is it’s going to take a lot to keep Xbox from declining gen over gen. You don’t have to be a “hater” to see that.
 
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twilo99

Member
While they are highly successful in many things, they aren't successful in everything they do, and Xbox is definitely not their most successful current venture.

Could you please point me to a corporation that is successful in everything they do?

Not many do more than one thing anyway.
 

Ar¢tos

Member
Could you please point me to a corporation that is successful in everything they do?

Not many do more than one thing anyway.
The point is that when a product is no longer successful, the options are to either stop the product or change the product.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
While they are highly successful in many things, they aren't successful in everything they do, and Xbox is definitely not their most successful current venture.
Yeah, there is a reason they never post the actual profit of the Xbox division. Fanboys brag about all the revenue, but have no idea how much of that revenue is profit.
 

Del_X

Member
Not good news for people who want a perpetual console war. Profit maximization dictates the entire industry, likely outside of Nintendo, is going this route. The future just arrived for Microsoft first as they reconcile with the immense cost of modern games development. People making Sega analogies forget Sega was dying, financially. Xbox, whatever that is, is profitable.
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Was PSNow a game sub service with hundreds of instantly accessable games regardless of when you started your sub? Y/N

It was a game sub service that basically failed in almost every regard, that only gained any traction once games were made locally available, which was done as a reaction to gamepass. I would also challenge the idea of instantly available since it was largely unplayable unless you loved lag. Instantly means now, not 200ms later than when you hit the buttons.
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Not good news for people who want a perpetual console war. Profit maximization dictates the entire industry, likely outside of Nintendo, is going this route. The future just arrived for Microsoft first as they reconcile with the immense cost of modern games development. People making Sega analogies forget Sega was dying, financially. Xbox, whatever that is, is profitable.
Extremely unlikely considering the information we found in leaked internal Microsoft's documents and Phil Spencer openly confirming that the Xbox business is not going strong.

One doesn't say that about a profitable business that's growing.
 
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