ckstine
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Yeah, the characters are pretty goofy. Murphy looks okay, but everyone else looks pretty bad.
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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M1987
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The streets are definitely on par,but the tall buildings in the background look pretty bad.It was done by a small studio though so they did well
ChiefDada
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I'm playing around with city from Matrix on PC right now and I've found a familiar looking sign:
And this is from RoboCop:
This is exactly what I didn't want to happen. We are starting to see asset reuse between ue5 titles that have nothing to do with one another. With nanite, lumen, and megastar library being commoditized, how much credit should go to the developer vs epic games? I'm not discrediting robocop here, I hear it's wonderful. But I think it's a legitimate question. I'm happy these tools are available to smaller dev teams but ue5 games are beginning to have a certain look which to me risks obscuring developer identity.
Lumpyoatmeal
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Cream gravy
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ckstine
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what the fuck is megastar
ChiefDada
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SKYF@ll
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Images of Spider-Man 2(Fidelity 40fps/VRR smooth) similar to your Matrix demo.As it should be. There's no need to waste time and resources to model and texture every day objects for every single game.
Man, I like this demo. It's a glimpse into the future. I remember I was critical about it but the more I check it out the more impressed I am.
It's a comparison between a technology demo and a game, so don't take it too seriously and enjoy the comparison.
The compression rate of JPEG was kept the same.
Represent.
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Looks very damn good, may have just sold me on the game. only the gun models need some work, they look worse than MW2. but this will be my next game after AW2. Then MW3 to finsih the year. yes, im buying it, im sucker for that MProbocop ps5 quality mode. Geometric density is fucking amazing!
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I guess what I really meant was if its using it with "Offline level assets" or if it just using it for LODs like so many other games?
"City demo" downloaded via UE5 and Epic Launcher. Some people have compiled an exe for it online.
SlimySnake
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Dude quixel megascans are used in many games. Re4 and village used them. Metro exodus, shadows of tomb raider, battlefield 1942. Just look at the
They just come free with ue5 whereas you have to pay to use them in your own engine. Insomniac could’ve used them, but they are too cheap i guess.
GymWolf
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GymWolf
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Quixel was used in the re games? Then why they looked so meh?
I remember the mansion in re8 looking good but the outdoors weren't too hot.
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My guess is that it's Ace Combat: Assault Horizon. And if yes, that's nostalgia talking:
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Passion + talent + UE5. It's far, far from perfect but when it hits, it hits harder than RoboCop himself!
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Nothing to do with one another? Both City Demo (Matrix) and RoboCop take place in American city. Isn't this an obvious commonality?
Why would developers waste time to model and texture I don't know, a restroom, when they can just download that shit with once click of a button?
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rofif
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Yeah. It’s not a bad thing but ue5 megascan assets are just available in the store or for free. I bet many more of robocop assets are just replaced from the store.
These rocks everyone is falling over are just generic rock which you can multiply, change size and copy in ue. It’s also an asset. You can make that landfill in few minutes. Or at least it’s general idea. There are many vids on yt tutorializing ue5 and showing how easy it is.
Some scenes in this game look just like these indie games with assets placed in a room. Yeah the fidelity is amazing but it’s just fidelity of quixel assets or whatever.
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Show us these scenes. This thread should be more 'show' then 'tell', I hope you agree.
Of course they are. Which is amazing. Cheap AA game with rocks this good? These rocks are better than anything that can be found in Red Dead Redeption 2 or Horizon Forbidden West. It's great.
Yes, another example is the chain link fence that's fully 3D just like in Matrix Demo. They just change the texture to make it rusty. It looks amazing. Light interacts with it, it cast shadow... all looks exactly how it should look.
GymWolf
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Also better rocks than aw2, don't forget that.Show us these scenes. This thread should be more 'show' then 'tell', I hope you agree.
Of course they are. Which is amazing. Cheap AA game with rocks this good? These rocks are better than anything that can be found in Red Dead Redeption 2 or Horizon Forbidden West. It's great.
Yes, another example is the chain link fence that's fully 3D just like in Matrix Demo. They just change the texture to make it rusty. It looks amazing. Light interacts with it, it cast shadow... all looks exactly how it should look.
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That too. These scans are next-level.
GymWolf
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Tbf, when you go very close to these rocks, they kinda look a bit mushy.
This is still not ue5 mountain demo level where they zoomed in and they were still pristine.
But from not-so-close-medium-long range they look basically as good as the demo.
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SKYF@ll
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I never noticed the chain link fence.Show us these scenes. This thread should be more 'show' then 'tell', I hope you agree.
Of course they are. Which is amazing. Cheap AA game with rocks this good? These rocks are better than anything that can be found in Red Dead Redeption 2 or Horizon Forbidden West. It's great.
Yes, another example is the chain link fence that's fully 3D just like in Matrix Demo. They just change the texture to make it rusty. It looks amazing. Light interacts with it, it cast shadow... all looks exactly how it should look.
I searched and found it.(Spider Man2:Fidelity 40fps/VRR smooth)
Toots
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I never noticed the chain link fence.
I searched and found it.(Spider Man2:Fidelity 40fps/VRR smooth)
Nice! See, someone had to put time rendering this when they could just download an even more detailed version from UE marketplace and use their time on other, more important things. That's why I think sharing resources should be more common.
True, when you go close they get a bit blurry. Optimization? Weird, isn't the promise behind Nanite that you can have infinite amount of detail? That's why a developer interview on the tech they used would be so interesting.
GymWolf
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I think it's our eyes getting tricked when we are not close more than a change in lod.
It would not make sense to use an inferior version when you get close so the quality is the same.
Kikorin
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I'm in for AA and indie team using assets for generic things like rocks to save time and have amazing results. If the game looked like these cheap horror steam games that flood the store or generic than would have been a problem, but this Robocop game nailed the atmosphere of the movie perfectly and the environments seems taken exactly from the movie, is an incredible results for a small team IMHO. If UE5 made it possible, good for them.
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Dude, this is THE thread to shit on graphics.
TheRedRiders
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Ubisoft's engines support Mesh/Primitive Shaders? Source?
Would be nice to see these major features finally get adopted more by 3rd party developers. Although I know Mesh Shaders take longer to implement because it takes much more time to re-write the pipeline.
Hugare
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I never noticed the chain link fence.
I searched and found it.(Spider Man2:Fidelity 40fps/VRR smooth)
See in the first image how the ones at the bottom of the image are noticeably flat
Also, on the second image, how they all are lit the same (it's just a texture, right?)
It's convincing, but you can definitely see the flaws
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Double entendre I love it!
rofif
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Just go to quixel website. It’s all there. This rocks, fence, debris. It’s placed assets.Show us these scenes. This thread should be more 'show' then 'tell', I hope you agree.
Of course they are. Which is amazing. Cheap AA game with rocks this good? These rocks are better than anything that can be found in Red Dead Redeption 2 or Horizon Forbidden West. It's great.
Yes, another example is the chain link fence that's fully 3D just like in Matrix Demo. They just change the texture to make it rusty. It looks amazing. Light interacts with it, it cast shadow... all looks exactly how it should look.
I don’t think this game looks good. The assets are high quality but it doesn’t make good visuals alone. Some interiors look bland and sterile.
Everyone sees these high poly rocks and debris on the floor and says robocop is suddenly best looking game this year
GymWolf
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You have some strange taste about good looking games like robocop or lies of p, i'm still trying to crack how your brain work.
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Show, don't tell? I'm sure there are some 'bland' interiors but at the same time some interiors is where this game looks its best. We've been posting screens of interiors and exterior for the last couple of pages. I think they are impressive.
SKYF@ll
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After searching, it seems that there are at least 6 types of chain link fences in Spider-Man 2.
Depending on the type of metal, there were also objects that reflected ray tracing.
Shadows and reflections seem to change depending on the ambient light.
A bicycle made of similar material was a good example.
rofif
Banned
I am the guy who posts most of my own shots in this thread. I am in work now so I won’t.
But you posted some. The interiors look like crap. I showed the game to my coworkers and they also think it looks like crap…. I am not convinced.
Maybe I am just not as impressed by scanned rocks which will be in every ue5 game.
Lies of p looked good but it wasn’t even close to bloodborne graphics. Sure, comparing indie to AAA 2015 game is not fair but still.
rofif
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This is sm2! But people said it’s only possible with nanite.After searching, it seems that there are at least 6 types of chain link fences in Spider-Man 2.
Depending on the type of metal, there were also objects that reflected ray tracing.
Shadows and reflections seem to change depending on the ambient light.
A bicycle made of similar material was a good example.
GymWolf
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Literally no one has those rocks, so for now robocop is the only game using them, we had like another 5 ue5 games and no one use those assets.
When console are gonna have enough horse power to have 4k textures everywhere, asset are gonna look all similar.
The more we go forward with graphic the more similar some games are gonna look because they all aim for the same results.
i take samey looking high quality asset over diversified shitty looking assets.
And bb only beat lop in art design (and even that is opinable if you like puppet enemies more than horror enemies), technically lop is much better and it run flawlessly and not with a dogshit framerate and the worst chromatic aberration i ever saw in a videogame.
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Post some screenshots of interiors in games that you find impressive. Like, I don’t know, FF16? Then we can compare.
GymWolf
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Hugare
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You can clearly see that the chain on the fence is 2D
Only the metal parts around it are reflective
Not at all like nanite where its made of geometry
rofif
Banned
Looked 3d enough on my phone
Ace Combat Assualt Horizon.
Im too tired right now but will find yah some footage later on. Thd opening intro of Mission 2 is literally fire and the explosions and effects work is so good in that game it looks very good today. You know the japanese and there custom "fx" work.
Im not saying its next gen quality im just saying it suggested back in2011 that by 2023 we would havd way better effects today the same way 2002s SH2's fog did.
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Hugare
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Looked 3d enough on my phone
Check your phone lol
Notice how in the 2nd picture every piece of the chain is lit the same.
Now look how uniquely lit are each piece from Robocop's fence. And they are way rounder.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Can't believe anyone needs to point this out, to folks active in this thread who dictate graphics kings by just spamming pics that don't show anything special with hyperbolic statements when they can't tell 2D from 3D, I guess that's why a game gets a pass for 2D trees like we play Dreamcast or PS2.
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ChiefDada
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Sure but to have the exact same sign is uncanny and sticks out like a sore thumb.
Washington D.C.
Los Angeles
Chicago
NYC
Why would developers waste time to model and texture I don't know, a restroom, when they can just download that shit with once click of a button?
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Because recognizing identical assets in different game worlds reeks of excess commonality from art perspective. If I go to ten different restaurants and all of them had the same tables, chairs, layout etc. I'd be so bored of asthetics. Sure the food may be great but I also pay for unique atmosphere.