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Is Cyberpunk much better than Starfield?
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DonJorginho
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with over 3.5 days of in game time in Starfield (and having loved the game!), I can confirm you are talking 20000% out of your ass when you claim that Starfield is a superior RPG, they both are very similar in terms of their RPG mechanics on offer, and if you want a true "Role-Playing" experience, it's far easier to find that immersion in CP2077 over Starfield and it's various oddities and weird exclusions.
Cyberpunk easily had better characters, better dialogue, a better narrative and better side quests overall. The faction quest for the Crimson Fleet came close but the other faction quests are quite average in Starfield.
saintjules
Member
Another thread or not, I just think these two games aren't the right match to do a comparison.
Different developers.
Different styles of gameplay.
Different story objectives.
Different developers.
Different styles of gameplay.
Different story objectives.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'd rather compare CP2077 to Witcher 3(also by CDPR) or Deus Ex HR+MD.
Starfield is a different kind of game.
BootsLoader
Banned
Lol wtf, the difference is huge.I mean, yeah. With all it's flaws CP2077 is a visual masterpiece fueled by the crazy amount of art, design adn production design work.
Starfield is just boring, lazy and generic in every respect except maybe for guns. (I use my own screenshots for reference)
analog_future
Banned
They're both great but I prefer Starfield.
Cyberpunk is a little too cringe/edge-lord for me at times.
Cyberpunk is a little too cringe/edge-lord for me at times.
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mortal
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I'm being pedantic here, but wouldn't Neon vs. Night City make for a better visual comparison in this instance?I mean, yeah. With all it's flaws CP2077 is a visual masterpiece fueled by the crazy amount of art, design adn production design work.
Starfield is just boring, lazy and generic in every respect except maybe for guns. (I use my own screenshots for reference)
BootsLoader
Banned
How it is so different? They are both Future Time RPGs.
ShaiKhulud1989
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Riky
$MSFT
Because the RPG elements although they have an impact on combat have very limited input on outcomes in Cyberpunk, almost none in fact. Unlike Starfield.
Cyberpunk is very shallow in comparison.
DonJorginho
Banned
automatically goes to Cyberpunk due to the 18323909 load screens you'll have to go through to see all of Neon.If you want this bloodbath...
DonJorginho
Banned
There are more unique outcomes in the Main Quest of CP2077 than there are in the Main Quest of Starfield
Little Chicken
Member
It's not a very fair comparison, it took CDPR almost three years to finish developing the game since launch.
Starfield is very polished for the type of game it is from the outset.
I think Cyberpunk's main story is better than Starfield's, but Starfield has the better world and much more content.
A lot of Night City is just window dressing, there really isn't much to do in the way of exploration. It's even worse outside of Night City when 90% of the map is devoid of anything.
So they both have their issues but I personally don't think they can be compared directly to be fair. Maybe when Cyberpunk gets spaceship building?
Starfield is very polished for the type of game it is from the outset.
I think Cyberpunk's main story is better than Starfield's, but Starfield has the better world and much more content.
A lot of Night City is just window dressing, there really isn't much to do in the way of exploration. It's even worse outside of Night City when 90% of the map is devoid of anything.
So they both have their issues but I personally don't think they can be compared directly to be fair. Maybe when Cyberpunk gets spaceship building?
KyoZz
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Crazy how people have short memories. CP 2077 was a joke on release, it improved for sure but it is still far from a decently polished game (and it never will).
'We leave greed to other". Yeah how you go fuck yourself and stop lying.
And yes, as apposed to CP2077, Starfield is trying to be an RPG at least.
But "OMG LOL TROLOLO XD Look Starfield has 10% of his NPCs in cities that look bad. Omg worst game EVAAAAAAAA HAHAHA"
'We leave greed to other". Yeah how you go fuck yourself and stop lying.
And yes, as apposed to CP2077, Starfield is trying to be an RPG at least.
Not only that, it is STILL a mess! But it has fancy graphics so it's all good right?
And you don't think the screen of Starfield is a bit selected? Because Starfield can look really good, and CP 2077 quite bad. Now of course globally CP2077 is looking better, doesn't mean Starfield look bad:
But "OMG LOL TROLOLO XD Look Starfield has 10% of his NPCs in cities that look bad. Omg worst game EVAAAAAAAA HAHAHA"
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
And my CP2077 screens are from 1.5, so they kinda outdated (RTX reflections only, the light is static).
Visually it was tad impressive even at launch (PC). Still is.
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Arsic
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Game sold well, reviewed well, and plenty of people love it. The majority of complaints are, as always, the hardcore giga nerds that create endless echo chambers of a game is bad instead of just playing stuff they like.
Civilized discourse about what a game can improve generally leave the station pretty quick before it just becomes “fun” to meme and clown on a game. Then people who haven’t even played it join in. Then we see player numbers info to draw a conclusion the game is dead and a failure.
Ultimately it’s a good game that the vast majority got their moneys worth out of.
DonJorginho
Banned
better world? ehhhhh more variety and wonder but I prefer the lived in and still quite varied locale of Night City and it's surroundings than the 90% of empty planets in Starfield, to say that Night City is devoid of anything when Starfield is literally for the most part empty planets and the same 4/5 interest points dotted around on each procedurely generated landing zone is laughable.
Freeman76
Member
CP2077 isnt that huge of an open world, so it has a lot more details and systems in place so feels more focussed.
Starfield is very shallow compared in those terms, but the sense of scope and exploration is much better. Its very basic gameplay wise, sure you can build bases but there is literally no point to doing it other than for immersion.
The games have different aims. Cant really say one is better than the other because they set out to do completely different things.
Cyberpunk is a more focussed story game, Starfield is a pretty shallow but enormous exploration sim.
Starfield is very shallow compared in those terms, but the sense of scope and exploration is much better. Its very basic gameplay wise, sure you can build bases but there is literally no point to doing it other than for immersion.
The games have different aims. Cant really say one is better than the other because they set out to do completely different things.
Cyberpunk is a more focussed story game, Starfield is a pretty shallow but enormous exploration sim.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I specifically select IDENTICAL shots (more or less considering the vast difference in scale) to give Starfield at lest the fighting chance. There are no Lunar bases in CP2077 though.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Cyberpunk only takes place in primarily one big Metropolis. Starfield is across several Star Systems. Furthermore CP follows a preset character and narrative with limited outcomes, Starfield features your avatar and you can have different outcomes and approaches every playthrough.
Two different strokes of Sci-fi.
It is vastly different in terms of game design philosophy.
I really like both games but if I were to come back and replay one of them it'll be Starfield with Mod Support. Like with Skyrim you can have a completely new experience with proper mod installation.
Besides in SF I get to fly my own spaceship and it's nearly identical to the Ebon Hawk. ^_^
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yes.
And should have been a poll.
And should have been a poll.
Little Chicken
Member
Yes I think Cyberpunk looked fantastic at launch at 60fps on Series X. Had no business being on PS4 and Xbox One!And my CP2077 screens are from 1.5, so they kinda outdated (RTX reflections only, the light is static).
Visually it was tad impressive even at launch (PC). Still is.
ReBurn
Gold Member
CP2077 on a single planet only means it loses. I mean if you can't compare moon bases then what's the point in even playing?
Topher
Gold Member
What "outcomes" are you talking about?
Cyberpunk was so shallow in details outside the graphics that took three years to do the basic stuff that PS2 GTA games had like a police chase, even in Starfield with the shitty AI you have frisk searchs that can result in arrests or combat and they can chase you in person in the 2D lakes.
Certinty
Member
It's not even close, Cyberpunk is far better.
For all the shit Cyberpunk got at launch (and rightfully so), there was always a good game beneath it which we're seeing right now with 2.0 and Phantom Liberty being great. Even with all the bugs and false promises the game was fun.
Starfield on the other hand is so dated in every way especially the gameplay. From what i've played it's just so dull and repetitive, feels like a 2013 (and that's being nice) game being released in 2023.
For all the shit Cyberpunk got at launch (and rightfully so), there was always a good game beneath it which we're seeing right now with 2.0 and Phantom Liberty being great. Even with all the bugs and false promises the game was fun.
Starfield on the other hand is so dated in every way especially the gameplay. From what i've played it's just so dull and repetitive, feels like a 2013 (and that's being nice) game being released in 2023.
ShaiKhulud1989
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
After replaying cyberpunk yesterday for a bit after Starfield... absolutely yes and I think it's the characters and general writing.
Like do any of the major character missions, I generally like these people I'm working with, that's REALLY lacking from starfield, I never found it a problem with prior Bethesda titles either. Sure there was the odd companion I didn't like but I just told them to fuck off and partnered with someone who was great.
The issue with Starfield is I can't find a companion I like at all... some of the more interesting ones are these kind of "basic companions" that have very limited dialog... and are at odds with what I'm doing. I joined a Gang and my companion is from the rival gang, but no one reacts and neither does she. But she's the best I got. In Cyberpunk I'm always wanting Panam to bend over somewhere to show off her personality.
I would say with the improvements in the 2.0 patch the game has come along way, and at least with Phantom Liberty some of the more obvious cut corners have been filled in, but you can find the odd thing missing you wish they had, but it's far less obvious now.
Like do any of the major character missions, I generally like these people I'm working with, that's REALLY lacking from starfield, I never found it a problem with prior Bethesda titles either. Sure there was the odd companion I didn't like but I just told them to fuck off and partnered with someone who was great.
The issue with Starfield is I can't find a companion I like at all... some of the more interesting ones are these kind of "basic companions" that have very limited dialog... and are at odds with what I'm doing. I joined a Gang and my companion is from the rival gang, but no one reacts and neither does she. But she's the best I got. In Cyberpunk I'm always wanting Panam to bend over somewhere to show off her personality.
I would say with the improvements in the 2.0 patch the game has come along way, and at least with Phantom Liberty some of the more obvious cut corners have been filled in, but you can find the odd thing missing you wish they had, but it's far less obvious now.
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StereoVsn
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New Fallout 4 Current Gen re-release quote: “Better than Starfield!”
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Little Chicken
Member
I absolutely love Night City, probably my favourite open world city in any game, but I've just had far more memorable random encounters and side quests in Starfield than I did in CP2077.
They both have their pros and cons in this respect, but it comes down to personal taste in the end, I don't necessarily think one is better than the other because they're so different. I like both games.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
No you did not, you selected a screen of New Atlantis (which honestly don't look really good) were you could have taken Neon City for example.
Is it CP2077 level? Nah of course, but it still looks good. So stop pretending Starfield is looking bad, and maybe start pointing all the freakin bugs CP 2077 still has.
Also, I'm gonna make a thread in 3 years comparing modded Starfield and CP 2077. Gonna be a fun thread.
Eotheod
Member
I haven't even got to Neon yet but that is actually pretty cool.If you want this bloodbath...
Never actually got past the first 30 minutes of Cyberpunk on launch because it was such a buggy mess and I had a dated GTX1070 then. Now I have an RX6800XT so am keen to try it, but I'm way too invested in Starfield at the moment. Something about the game just...clicks and I can not explain it.
Good to see CDPR putting the building blocks back in the right place though, takes a lot of developer effort to accomplish the turn around they've achieved.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Oh man I can see this happening.New Fallout 4 Current Gen re-release quote: “Better than Starfield!”
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Nice way to ignore my neon comparisson. Also Neon is a closed-space location. It would be more productive to take The Groundbreaker from the Outer Worlds as an example.
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twilo99
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Hm, this whole time I thought Cyberpunk is a proper RPG.. I actually like the sound of that and I’ll have to give it a go at some point.
So is BG3 closer to Starfield than CB?
Like some others have said here, I haven’t had that feeling of wanting to be home to play a video game in a very long time and Starfield brought that back, so to me that was a clear indication of a great game.
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DonJorginho
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I liked both games a lot too! I just don't see it, but personal taste indeed my friend! glad you saw something I didn't as it made the experience that much more special to you.
AI, as in rudimentary decision trees or AI as in self learning and adapting behavior based on past experiences and player decisions?
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