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[hlm666]

Just yesterday I spent an hour and half of my weekend trying to figure out why Discord won't start on my PC

I would have just loaded the web based version in your browser, what was the problem in the end? I'm curious because i've never seen people having issues getting discord working before and that covers some of my relatives who are dumb as a bag of hammers.

 

[yamaci17]

It's witcher 3. I am not lowering textures on a 2015 game lol

well that's you, with your usual ignorance. for starters, game has upgraded textures, with halkhogan's mod.
for second, texture quality setting is not even affecting texture quality itself, it just affects the texture LOD size instead [another thing that devs rarely communicate over to the users] i determines at what distance higher quality textures will get loaded. from high to ultra+ you would have to compare it with a magnifier to see differences in most cases. but you do you. have a crashing stuttering game instead, forever, since they did not design ultra+ alongside with ray tracing with 10 gb budget in mind [and they won't simply introduce a smarter texture streamer for a 8 year old game...

even if the game had a smarter system, you would just play with ultra+ but with high-like lods and be happy most likely [as in, ignorance is bliss] most ue games do this where you think you get "epic" textures but you still get med/high mixed lods/textures if you're vram bound/starved. and they do not look bad, since as I said, nowadays most games (aside from tlou remake) use smarter systems. w3 only does not do it automatically and instead simply slows down since it does not have a texture streamer built in like modern games do. both way; you will be forced to use lower lods / textures that ultra+/epic setting intended. so why not just do it yourself. do you really need someone else to do it for you?

 

[SmokedMeat]

Bruh, they were far from okay. Remember Dark Souls port?
Original RE4 port? DMC3 port?
Most of the ports from western studios were fine but almost every japanese studio port needed some mod or third party tool to work properly.

Now the western studios can’t even put out a properly working product. It’s crazy.

 

[LaughingStock]

I think every few years we see a batch of bad PC ports.

 

[hlm666]

It's witcher 3. I am not lowering textures on a 2015 game lol

That update also included textures from a hd texture rework mod didn't it? I believe it was this mod.

Five-year-old The Witcher 3 looks better than ever with impressive new texture mod

The Witcher 3 is approaching its fifth birthday - but modders are still doing impressive things with CD Projekt's pheno…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[near]

Context is everything. He wasn't referring to himself when he mentioned the PS5. "I don't blame people right now for going: 'you know what, maybe a PS5 is more my flavor at the moment', you know it's just terrible."

It's a rant video discussing a variety of important factors affecting the PC industry, and why it's really hard to be a PC enthusiast with the current state of hardware stability and saturation, prices, compatibility etc. This could've been a great thread to discuss some of those topics, including how said hardware is causing developers a headache, as well as why it's a difficult decision to upgrade right now and the barriers to entry.

 

[Denton]

So much dooming and glooming, it's amusing. Meanwhile just this year on my PC I finished

Dead Island 2
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Stray
Evil West
Resident Evil 4
Syberia: The World Before
Gotham Knights
Shadow Warrior 3
Atomic Heart
DIRT 5
Daymare: 1998
ELEX II
Midnight Fight Express
A Plague Tale: Requiem
High on Life
Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales

No significant technical issues (and in games where there were, like some framedrops in horrible optimized Elex 2, the PC version was still vastly superior to console one).

Yeah sometimes you gotta wait a month or two for patches - like with Gotham Knights, which I got for 30 bucks in a bundle and it ran at stable 60 with RT enabled and max details when I played it.

But there are so many games that playing a game later (and often cheaper) does not present a problem for me.
Plus I get stuff like EA Pro, for 15 bucks I can finish both Jedi Survivor and Dead Space - that takes a lot of sting from the non-ideal performance.

All those people who are like "PS5 is better", well, not really, because the games that run badly on PC usually do not run great on console either. And I want my 60fps minimum everywhere, which I cannot get with consoles, so consoles do not solve any problem for me.

(and before someone starts about shader compilation stutter - yes, it is annoying when it happens, but usually it gets cleaned up fairly quickly - after some 30 minutes of playtime - and most games do not actually suffer from it, although each that does gets blown up by DF, deservedly so).

Overall though I agree that it would be nice if:

- nVidia provided better perf/money value
- some studios did better job on technical side of their games, particularly if they work with Unreal engine

 

[GHG]

PC gaming is in a bit of a tough situation/rut at the moment, there's no doubt about it. However this isn't a platform that lives or dies based on a single moment in time.

The moment we are out of this period everyone will be able to get back to enjoying newer games on top tier hardware and nothing will have been lost. Your games library will still be in-tact and the hardware you own (and will still own) should be able to stretch it's legs.

Jumping over to consoles solves nothing and if anything just gives you less freedom for instances where games run poorly (or have shitty IQ).

I'm of the opinion that consoles are good companion devices for those who are invested in the PC gaming ecosystem. In addition to any exclusives that might be available they provide a good alternative/option for when you really want to play something and it's busted on PC but runs ok on console (the same goes of the other way round). This isn't a binary situation, both can co-exist for a lot of users.

 

[yamaci17]

That update also included textures from a hd texture rework mod didn't it? I believe it was this mod.

Five-year-old The Witcher 3 looks better than ever with impressive new texture mod

The Witcher 3 is approaching its fifth birthday - but modders are still doing impressive things with CD Projekt's pheno…

www.eurogamer.net

there are glaring issues with PC gaming nowadays and ports are horrendous but rofif as usual uses his own misconfigured settings/incident to "pile on" to the problems. yes there are problems but that problem is just a "him" problem. as he said himself, he can't get himself to lower textures. practically, he moans that he cannot fit 12 liters of water into a 10 liter bottle. thats just hilarious lol and has nothing to do with current PC ports and their problems.

 

[Astray]

I would have just loaded the web based version in your browser, what was the problem in the end? I'm curious because i've never seen people having issues getting discord working before and that covers some of my relatives who are dumb as a bag of hammers.

Kaspersky was fucking with it for no real reason. The moment I suspended the internet security suite things got fixed and I started from there.

I don't like using the web browser version because I open up a ton of tabs habitually.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Don't act like it is the norme. We had a few bad port but that's it. And if it is badly optimised on PC, it is the same on console.

Let's take the most recent release for example: Jedi Survivor. On console you have horrible input lag, very bad IQ and unstable framerate with drop into the low 20s.
Now let's put those console settings on PC, locked to 30 FPS. A 2070 is getting pretty much the same experience no in fact it's better than a PS5.

But if you are fine playing sub 900p game with framerate as low as 20, you do you

When you spend a total of $1500 building a high end PC you expect by default performance 3X that of a $400 console, not just a bit better.

 

[ntropy]

ok humpty dumpty

 

[hlm666]

Kaspersky was fucking with it for no real reason. The moment I suspended the internet security suite things got fixed and I started from there.

I don't like using the web browser version because I open up a ton of tabs habitually.

Unless your going to some very shady places on the net and downloading executables from unknown sources windows defender is completely fine these days (has been since win10). Save yourself some money and headaches and drop kaspersky. You can't even trust those 3rd party virus scanners anymore either, one of them added a crypto mining thing into their software suite a few years back for instance.

 

[Spitfire098]

Imagine waiting for shaders to complie

 

[BennyBlanco]

This has nothing to do with preference. It has to do with a crap market. No one is saying console is better than PC, just that at the moment it's a better value

You’ll have to excuse me for not watching the video, I’m addressing the people who run into threads like this and post Jim Ryan gifs and proclaim PC gaming is dead when Intel shipments are down after Covid.

 

[Braag]

You’ll have to excuse me for not watching the video, I’m addressing the people who run into threads like this and post Jim Ryan gifs and proclaim PC gaming is dead when Intel shipments are down after Covid.

You still get those? I have like 30+ people on ignore and suddenly this place is much more tolerable without all the drive by shitposting.

 

[Astray]

Unless your going to some very shady places on the net and downloading executables from unknown sources windows defender is completely fine these days (has been since win10). Save yourself some money and headaches and drop kaspersky. You can't even trust those 3rd party virus scanners anymore either, one of them added a crypto mining thing into their software suite a few years back for instance.

I'm just someone who cares about security, I'm thinking of dropping it (reducing my subscriptions as much as possible nowadays and yesterday's headache has me considering it now). This is the 1st time it caused me any issues though.

Defender has improved a ton in the past few years, but it's also the most common protection suite, and as such, it will be the most targeted probably.

 

[Fredrik]

This isn't a binary situation, both can co-exist for a lot of users.

Yeah. I have all consoles and a 4090 PC for a reason, they all have their spot in the hobby for me.
Sometimes I prefer playing on a convenient console in the living room, and sometimes I want a multi screen setup or high framerates without visual compromises or access to the file system for mods and VR capabilities etc. I’m guessing that those who truly think a console could give them everything probably haven’t played much on PC.

 

[nikos]

I ended up hiding his account from YouTube altogether. Got tired of him bitching about everything, pretty much biting the hand that feeds him.

Most of the big YouTubers in this field are the same way so I don't watch PC related videos, despite it being one of my main hobbies, until I need to look something up.

 

[Outlier]

I'm so glad I built my PC in early 2020 (just before covid hit), but it also sucks that I bought a R7900X and nothing to use it with, because PC gaming is wacked. Sigh...

 

[squarealex]

Deserved

 

[SmokedMeat]

You still get those? I have like 30+ people on ignore and suddenly this place is much more tolerable without all the drive by shitposting.

That might actually be a good idea.

 

[SmokedMeat]

When you spend a total of $1500 building a high end PC you expect by default performance 3X that of a $400 console, not just a bit better.

Higher level performance isn’t the only reason you build a PC.

 

[Wildebeest]

AAA games are not made with a gameplay first mentality, so they are not really for gamers. Likewise, high-end PC gaming hardware has abandoned any "gamer first" mentality by pricing itself out of the gaming market. What is it all about, then?

 

[diffusionx]

The hardware makers killed the cost-benefit calculation that made PC gaming really attractive and easy to get into 10-15 years ago. The stuff is too expensive and the benefits over a console are not as obvious. Yea, sure, the consoles are struggling to run Jedi Survivor for example, but so are PCs, even high-end ones with a $1600 GPU. it's crazy.

 

[Spitfire098]

You’ll have to excuse me for not watching the video, I’m addressing the people who run into threads like this and post Jim Ryan gifs and proclaim PC gaming is dead when Intel shipments are down after Covid.

Lol only one person posted a gif of Jim Ryan on the first page

 

[Denton]

ea, sure, the consoles are struggling to run Jedi Survivor for example, but so are PCs, even high-end ones with a $1600 GPU. it's crazy.

GPU is not what's struggling, CPU is. On PC, you can still get stable 60 by disabling RT which kills CPU perf (until they Respawn fixes it). On console, you are just hosed.

 

[PCFanboy64]

When you spend a total of $1500 building a high end PC you expect by default performance 3X that of a $400 console, not just a bit better.

Except you can do a bajillian times more stuff with a PC so that argument doesn't really work in my opinion

Edit: already received a reply similar, please delete

 

[Esca]

I've been having in the pc since the early 90s. I've always had at least a good rig to game on. I've been needing to build a new for a couple of years and it just cost to much now with a good graphics card (fuck those low memory amounts on cards). My ps5 had become my main gaming platform now. I love modding and games you can only get in the pc but it had become out of my reach for the moment

 

[Ronin_7]

There's a reason PS5 is breaking all records for a PlayStation Console while Sony saying 30% never owned a PlayStation before.

Even if you've a low fucking IQ you can do simple math and see why

 

[Laptop1991]

Sadly he is mostly right, hardware way too expensive, and the quality of the hardware no where near what it use to be, to play bad PC ports and broken games, and apart from Star Citizen no actual PC gaming genre left apart from AA and indies which you shouldn't need the top HW to play anyway, it is bad. i miss the old days.

 

[rofif]

well that's you, with your usual ignorance. for starters, game has upgraded textures, with halkhogan's mod.
for second, texture quality setting is not even affecting texture quality itself, it just affects the texture LOD size instead [another thing that devs rarely communicate over to the users] i determines at what distance higher quality textures will get loaded. from high to ultra+ you would have to compare it with a magnifier to see differences in most cases. but you do you. have a crashing stuttering game instead, forever, since they did not design ultra+ alongside with ray tracing with 10 gb budget in mind [and they won't simply introduce a smarter texture streamer for a 8 year old game...

even if the game had a smarter system, you would just play with ultra+ but with high-like lods and be happy most likely [as in, ignorance is bliss] most ue games do this where you think you get "epic" textures but you still get med/high mixed lods/textures if you're vram bound/starved. and they do not look bad, since as I said, nowadays most games (aside from tlou remake) use smarter systems. w3 only does not do it automatically and instead simply slows down since it does not have a texture streamer built in like modern games do. both way; you will be forced to use lower lods / textures that ultra+/epic setting intended. so why not just do it yourself. do you really need someone else to do it for you?

I am not using any mods.
I dont neet to know any of this. All I know is Witcher3 was running 100fps maxed out and 7fps + crashes and visual bugs with RT patch.

I know what to fix and how to fix it but I refuse to do so. It's not my job to learn the fucking settings especially as you say, if texture setting is not textures.
The game SHOULD be smart and know that I have 10gb vram and act accordingly. Stop excusing bad design

That update also included textures from a hd texture rework mod didn't it? I believe it was this mod.

Five-year-old The Witcher 3 looks better than ever with impressive new texture mod

The Witcher 3 is approaching its fifth birthday - but modders are still doing impressive things with CD Projekt's pheno…

www.eurogamer.net

I didn't knew that.
If it does that, it's up to cd projekt to inform me in the settings menu. Maybe some pop up or extra setting.
or maybe optimize the textures to lower the size a bit. The game and textures do not look as good to consume so much vram.

 

[rofif]

there are glaring issues with PC gaming nowadays and ports are horrendous but rofif as usual uses his own misconfigured settings/incident to "pile on" to the problems. yes there are problems but that problem is just a "him" problem. as he said himself, he can't get himself to lower textures. practically, he moans that he cannot fit 12 liters of water into a 10 liter bottle. thats just hilarious lol and has nothing to do with current PC ports and their problems.

It's not misconfigured settings.
It's not an incident as it happens more often.

Oh I can get myself to lower the textures. I know the optimized settings. It's no rocket science.
I just have some pride you know? And it's a waste of time

 

[rofif]

You still get those? I have like 30+ people on ignore and suddenly this place is much more tolerable without all the drive by shitposting.

What's the point of even using the public forum to discourse?
You delete people on sidewalk and on the train too?
How are you supposed to compare your views and better yourself without confronting opposite opinions?

 

[Mister Wolf]

More power to him. Being forced to pick between low resolutions or low framerates with never be my "flavor".

 

[Bernardougf]

I trully respect those who spend money and specially time to game on PC, they sure get, most of the time, the better and most adjustable version of multiplat games.

But every time someone suggests that playing on PC is the same and as easy that playing on consoles I just have to roll my eyes. Guess after years of use one can get numb to the shit you deal with PC gaming but is just not the same... you sute get the premium graphics experience but at the cost of a lot of money, time and patience.

Ill be a happily console player as long as I can be ... never regreted quiting on pc gaming all those years ago, respect for the pc gamers but is not for me

 

[rofif]

More power to him. Being forced to pick between low resolutions or low framerates with never be my "flavor".

How old are you?
Th older I get, the more I felt pc is wasting my time, my patience and making me feel like a fool for having to deal with everything lol

 

[Guilty_AI]

You delete people on sidewalk and on the train too?

mayhaps

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The simple fact is that development has become so costly and complex that it's going to be very difficult for studios to try and prioritize for the permutations of PC hardware. I don't see these issues going away.

It's why having fixed hardware as a target is a great thing. You absolutely get the best bang for your buck in both cost, convenience, and stability. This is true now more than ever since consoles generally have 60 fps modes, which used to be one of the main benefits of PC gaming.

 

[Clear]

Let's be positive:

If you accept that the pandemic effects were the cause of as least some of the issues facing PC right now, then it stands to reason as things settle back from all the disruption to labour and transport/supply pipelines things should start improving fairly fast.

The way I see it; Keep an eye on things generally and be cautious with big purchases for now if you want the most protection from these issues.

 

[MikeM]

Higher level performance isn’t the only reason you build a PC.

No- but it sure as hell is my use case. My 7900XT PC is basically a large RGB console. Its even attached to a Lg C1 TV.

Make videos? No.
Program? No.
Banking? Nope- phone for that.
YouTube? Nah- phone.
Mods? Nada.

 

[Mister Wolf]

How old are you?
Th older I get, the more I felt pc is wasting my time, my patience and making me feel like a fool for having to deal with everything lol

I'm 40. I don't lose patience because good games to play come a dime a dozen. Got a huge backlog of quality to play. Star Wars and Redfall are buggy. Ok, I have Atomic Heart, RE4, Evil West, Psychonauts 2, Dead Space, and many others to play and finish. I still need to finish Doom Eternal. Right now I'm currently playing FF7 remake at 4K 120hz. It plays and looks great. There is always something else to play Rofif. I'm sure you're a working man like myself so I would surmise you have a backlog built up as well. I'm also getting a discount. I paid $49 for that Star Wars off CD Keys. If anybody paid $70, they got over on you.

 

[JimRyanGOAT]

PC has always been an after thought since the PS2

Jim Ryan >>>> PC

 

[Superbean]

There's a reason PS5 is breaking all records for a PlayStation Console while Sony saying 30% never owned a PlayStation before.

Even if you've a low fucking IQ you can do simple math and see why

Clearly the math is too difficult for some.
To be clear, I just finished my 7950x3d 4090 build. But if I were budget conscience at all, console rules this space, full stop. Jedi survivor runs like shit on every platform, including PC, with the highest end hardware, it still runs unacceptably poor. Until, or unless, PC hardware comes back down in price, console will remain the objectively superior choice for budget gamers

 

[BennyBlanco]

I would bet my life that rofif has spent more time shitposting in PC threads in the year 2023 than I have tinkering with PC settings in the last 5 years. Your PC is busted dude. Sell it and don’t buy a new one.

 

[rofif]

I would bet my life that rofif has spent more time shitposting in PC threads in the year 2023 than I have tinkering with PC settings in the last 5 years. Your PC is busted dude. Sell it and don’t buy a new one.

My pc is fine. Even if I tried, I am not sure what I could do to damage it lol.
Besides, 2023 is year of Forspoken. I shat more on pc in 2022

 

[diffusionx]

Except you can do a bajillian times more stuff with a PC so that argument doesn't really work in my opinion

Edit: already received a reply similar, please delete

Completely irrelevant if you’re spending the money to play games. You can run office or whatever on your phone. Outside of some AI applications I can’t think of anything that needs more than an iGPU.

 

[DryvBy]

I'm sure Jayzerocredibility will leave his gifted 4090 so he can play Jedi Survivor at 720p 17 fps on his PS5.

Are you kidding? Have you seen how the Star Wars games run in PC?

 

[bender]

Platform allegiances, not even once.

 

[StueyDuck]

Any insert X superfan youtuber you can instantly disregard anything they say because it's always going to be hyperbolic

Yeah many AAA PC games have released broken and we deserve better ... but like... if that's the biggest issue in your life and you "might have to buy a ps5" then maybe life isn't too bad for you