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advise on fitness plan

Artoris

Gold Member
5 minutes a day? Sorry, but that's a pathetic commitment. You're not going to become fit.
At the moment, I manage 30 sets of each of the exercises below, and it takes me about 3 minutes in five minutes I can manage about 50 sets of the exercises below it is far more than it sounds

sit-ups and leg rises at the same time

push-ups

for the biceps and then the shoulder in one go

lifting it for the back
 

poodaddy

Member
Going all out is proven inefficient and will make you hurt yourself. All the elite athletes always train at 80% easy effort, 15% moderate, 5% hard.

Also, ditch the 5 minute idea, just find more time.
All elite athletes. All of them. They all do huh?

Fucking wrong. So goddamn wrong it hurts. This is why I've been saying for years that someone should never give advice on training if they don't have credentials. Jesus man, someone tell Hafthor and Martins they've been doing it all wrong. Yes they won World's Strongest by training at high to moderate intensity for nearly all sets and left low intensity merely for dynamic warm ups, but Cyberpunkd just broke it down here folks and they're so wrong. Somebody tell Stan Efferding that when he was breaking all his records in Strongman through his unbelievably intense training that he doesn't qualify as an athlete, not by our lord Cyberpunkd's standards.

Christ people. Look, just go take an Exercise Science class at your local college. This stuff is not just "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks", or "well this worked for me so it must be the case". It's a hard science people, not a soft one like psychology or people's gender fluidity shit, this is a HARD science. Yes everyone's body functions differently and there will be differences in training for different goals, but the methodology for meeting those goals is consistent from person to person, and low intensity training does NOT produce athleticism and power. This is insane. If such was the case, then mall walking grandmas would be the power houses of the world.

Guys, come on....just please go study some exercise science or kinesiology. Please I'm begging you. Hell, message me your address and I'll send you my fuckin text books! Anything to educate so people stop reciting tales from your cornhole.
 

John Bilbo

Member
At the moment, I manage 30 sets of each of the exercises below, and it takes me about 3 minutes in five minutes I can manage about 50 sets of the exercises below it is far more than it sounds

sit-ups and leg rises at the same time

push-ups

for the biceps and then the shoulder in one go

lifting it for the back
Way to go man! Keep on keeping on!
 

*Nightwing

Member
Unfortunately goes 14 seconds over your 5 minute request.



Personally if you are willing to forgo the 5 min limit, Richard Simmons sweating to the oldies is gold an has no retroactive aura of antisemitism
 
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Thaedolus

Member
All elite athletes. All of them. They all do huh?

Fucking wrong. So goddamn wrong it hurts. This is why I've been saying for years that someone should never give advice on training if they don't have credentials. Jesus man, someone tell Hafthor and Martins they've been doing it all wrong. Yes they won World's Strongest by training at high to moderate intensity for nearly all sets and left low intensity merely for dynamic warm ups, but Cyberpunkd just broke it down here folks and they're so wrong. Somebody tell Stan Efferding that when he was breaking all his records in Strongman through his unbelievably intense training that he doesn't qualify as an athlete, not by our lord Cyberpunkd's standards.

Christ people. Look, just go take an Exercise Science class at your local college. This stuff is not just "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks", or "well this worked for me so it must be the case". It's a hard science people, not a soft one like psychology or people's gender fluidity shit, this is a HARD science. Yes everyone's body functions differently and there will be differences in training for different goals, but the methodology for meeting those goals is consistent from person to person, and low intensity training does NOT produce athleticism and power. This is insane. If such was the case, then mall walking grandmas would be the power houses of the world.

Guys, come on....just please go study some exercise science or kinesiology. Please I'm begging you. Hell, message me your address and I'll send you my fuckin text books! Anything to educate so people stop reciting tales from your cornhole.
You’re not wrong but…you ok fam?
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I can only give tips based on what other people have told me (which is pretty consistent from all the fit people I know):

- Drink water
- Dont eat before bed
- What you eat is more important. Dont try to eat like a pig and work it all off thinking you're a pro athlete who can pull it off
- Eat modest meals and healthy snacks throughout the day instead of a handful of giant means like lunch and dinner
- Dont pig out at dinner. If anything, lunch should be bigger than dinner as you more time to burn it off
 

poodaddy

Member
You’re not wrong but…you ok fam?
Sorry man, yeah I'm good. My first degree was in Exercise Science and this stuff was my life for about a decade and a half. I still train, but not for a career anymore. I just get so tired of seeing people give dangerous, stupid, mechanically illogical and inaccurate advice to complete novices. These novices need real help man, real advice. The OP is a great example of someone who is a true novice, he needs to at least learn the movements first before commiting to programming, but when people give someone like that horrible advice they are literally hurting them.

When I was in the Army I was at the gym one day and overheard a sergeant telling his new joe to train legs as heavy as possible every day. The joe accepted this advice and committed fully, believing that his NCO had his best interests in mind. I never saw him again, but I can guarantee you he probably med boarded or left the Army with destroyed knees later. I didn't say anything about it, because I didn't wanna start a fight and I was afraid of the backlash for talking back to an NCO when I wasn't a sergeant at the time. I've regretted that decision ever since. Now, when I see someone say something that is blatantly wrong, not relatively wrong but factually inaccurate, (with regards to training and nutrition at least), I always speak up. Whether it's the carnivore diet, constant ketosis advocacy, CrossFit nonsense, or any number of the other insanely dangerous claims or bits of advice given to novices by unqualified self proclaimed "experts", I will always speak up. I imagine nobody's gonna listen, and that's fine, but it helps me sleep at night to know I didn't just stand by and watch the snake oil peddler make their ridiculous claims while I did nothing. I truly wish I would have done that in the gym back in the Army, and I sometimes wonder about that young soldier and how he's doing after that terrible advice. Here's hoping he went to the library and just picked up a book on kinesiology rather than continuing to listen to the constant stream of misinformation that you'll get from bioscience gym rats and the internet.
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
What is your goal? That is very important in coming up with a plan.

If its just to loose weight, than diet is 95% of it all.

If its getting more active then WALK WALK WALK WALK... WALK FASTER... eventually RUN.

If you want to build muscle.. wieghts and eating correctly.


But also it depends on age, genetics. bla blah blah. to determine how, what, when, and were.
 
What is your take on collagen supplements for middle aged people and up? I'm nearing fourty and have begun taking collagen with my recovery shakes.
I'm in my 40s and I've had a few joint problems over the years. I've never taken collagen so I can't comment personally. I take glucosamine for my joints, which really helps.

When I said supplements don't work, I was referring to stuff that's supposed to make you stronger. Aside from steroids, most of it is useless.
 

John Bilbo

Member
I'm in my 40s and I've had a few joint problems over the years. I've never taken collagen so I can't comment personally. I take glucosamine for my joints, which really helps.

When I said supplements don't work, I was referring to stuff that's supposed to make you stronger. Aside from steroids, most of it is useless.
Thank you for the reply. I gotta check the glucosamine out just in case.
 

poodaddy

Member
Thank you for the reply. I gotta check the glucosamine out just in case.
Glucosamine and chondroitin are legit. That and creatine are the only supplements with training benefits that aren't categorized as performance enhancement drugs and isn't just ridiculous amounts of sugary bullshit and caffeine. As far as pre-workout, I've been swearing for years that the best pre-workout on the planet is a tall cup of black coffee and a banana. Other than that, just proper nutrition is the best supplementation for a good program. Lots of protein, moderate amounts of healthy fats, and moderate amounts of quality complex carbs; that's the golden ticket for most athletic training goals. When it comes to weight loss goals, calories are king. Meal timing is bullshit, it means nothing, one must maintain a negative energy balance in order to lose fat or muscle and a positive balance to gain fat or muscle. Doesn't matter if you eat all your calories in the morning, right before bed, throughout the day in small meals, or in 3 meals; what matters is the caloric totals for the week, nothing else. I prefer the many small meals a day approach, but that's merely because I prefer to eat often because I love food lol. Whatever allows you to maintain your caloric totals is gonna work just fine, it's all just simple math. The currently en vogue intermittent fasting enjoys a high success rate due to the fact that it's very difficult to eat extremely large amounts of calories in small windows. If people ate the same amount of food throughout the day outside of their windows, they would find that the results are identical.

Just food for thought. For a more in depth explanation on the science of weight gain or loss, I'd recommend everyone in this thread read up on nitrogen balance. Understanding of this concept is essential to the forming of a proper nutritional program relative to one's goals. To be honest it's pretty simple too, so I wish everyone would read up on it. Basal metabolic rate, (BMR), and the three energy pathways are also good concepts to understand, but that's better learned a bit later; best to keep it simple at first.
 
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Thaedolus

Member
Fitness GAF: according to my calculations a Kirkland frozen lasagna has about 1980 calories and covers all major food groups. They’re also only like $6 each. Thoughts on doing a Kirkland lasagna a day for weight loss?
 
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Fitness GAF: according to my calculations a Kirkland frozen lasagna has about 1980 calories and covers all major food groups. They’re also only like $6 each. Thoughts on doing a Kirkland lasagna a day for weight loss?

I've heard of GOMAD (gallon of milk a day) for weight gain, but you may have just invented BOLAD (box of lasagna a day) for weight loss.
 

John Bilbo

Member
Glucosamine and chondroitin are legit. That and creatine are the only supplements with training benefits that aren't categorized as performance enhancement drugs and isn't just ridiculous amounts of sugary bullshit and caffeine. As far as pre-workout, I've been swearing for years that the best pre-workout on the planet is a tall cup of black coffee and a banana. Other than that, just proper nutrition is the best supplementation for a good program. Lots of protein, moderate amounts of healthy fats, and moderate amounts of quality complex carbs; that's the golden ticket for most athletic training goals. When it comes to weight loss goals, calories are king. Meal timing is bullshit, it means nothing, one must maintain a negative energy balance in order to lose fat or muscle and a positive balance to gain fat or muscle. Doesn't matter if you eat all your calories in the morning, right before bed, throughout the day in small meals, or in 3 meals; what matters is the caloric totals for the week, nothing else. I prefer the many small meals a day approach, but that's merely because I prefer to eat often because I love food lol. Whatever allows you to maintain your caloric totals is gonna work just fine, it's all just simple math. The currently en vogue intermittent fasting enjoys a high success rate due to the fact that it's very difficult to eat extremely large amounts of calories in small windows. If people ate the same amount of food throughout the day outside of their windows, they would find that the results are identical.

Just food for thought. For a more in depth explanation on the science of weight gain or loss, I'd recommend everyone in this thread read up on nitrogen balance. Understanding of this concept is essential to the forming of a proper nutritional program relative to one's goals. To be honest it's pretty simple too, so I wish everyone would read up on it. Basal metabolic rate, (BMR), and the three energy pathways are also good concepts to understand, but that's better learned a bit later; best to keep it simple at first.
Thank you for an in-depth reply. I appreciate it.
 

Tams

Member
Glucosamine and chondroitin are legit. That and creatine are the only supplements with training benefits that aren't categorized as performance enhancement drugs and isn't just ridiculous amounts of sugary bullshit and caffeine. As far as pre-workout, I've been swearing for years that the best pre-workout on the planet is a tall cup of black coffee and a banana. Other than that, just proper nutrition is the best supplementation for a good program. Lots of protein, moderate amounts of healthy fats, and moderate amounts of quality complex carbs; that's the golden ticket for most athletic training goals. When it comes to weight loss goals, calories are king. Meal timing is bullshit, it means nothing, one must maintain a negative energy balance in order to lose fat or muscle and a positive balance to gain fat or muscle. Doesn't matter if you eat all your calories in the morning, right before bed, throughout the day in small meals, or in 3 meals; what matters is the caloric totals for the week, nothing else. I prefer the many small meals a day approach, but that's merely because I prefer to eat often because I love food lol. Whatever allows you to maintain your caloric totals is gonna work just fine, it's all just simple math. The currently en vogue intermittent fasting enjoys a high success rate due to the fact that it's very difficult to eat extremely large amounts of calories in small windows. If people ate the same amount of food throughout the day outside of their windows, they would find that the results are identical.

Just food for thought. For a more in depth explanation on the science of weight gain or loss, I'd recommend everyone in this thread read up on nitrogen balance. Understanding of this concept is essential to the forming of a proper nutritional program relative to one's goals. To be honest it's pretty simple too, so I wish everyone would read up on it. Basal metabolic rate, (BMR), and the three energy pathways are also good concepts to understand, but that's better learned a bit later; best to keep it simple at first.

Very much this.

I will add that meal timing has some impact as you absolutely do burn fewer calories/store more as fat if you are sleeping. Though during those roughly 8 hours, I don't know how much of an effect that may have.

Unless you are trying to be an elite athlete (and are running into a sustained performance plateau or suffering ill health), then there's no point in stressing about what and when you eat. Obviously you need many different inputs, but simple moderation will see you get enough of everything.
 
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Fitness GAF: according to my calculations a Kirkland frozen lasagna has about 1980 calories and covers all major food groups. They’re also only like $6 each. Thoughts on doing a Kirkland lasagna a day for weight loss?
Morgan Freeman Good Luck GIF
 

Tams

Member
Fitness GAF: according to my calculations a Kirkland frozen lasagna has about 1980 calories and covers all major food groups. They’re also only like $6 each. Thoughts on doing a Kirkland lasagna a day for weight loss?

Jokes aside, you haven't stated in what amounts. It'll be full of fats, so not in moderation.

But still, if you use more than 1,980 calories and eat nothing else, then you will lose weight.
 

gundalf

Member
IMHO the most important and maybe also difficult is to find first a fitness routine that feels good and is joyful. Can be Cardio, Golf, Biking, Yoga, Lifting or even Ring Fit Adventure. Anything counts.
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

played the long game
At the moment, I manage 30 sets of each of the exercises below, and it takes me about 3 minutes in five minutes I can manage about 50 sets of the exercises below it is far more than it sounds

sit-ups and leg rises at the same time

push-ups

for the biceps and then the shoulder in one go

lifting it for the back
I have no idea what you're saying here.

What is "for the biceps and then the shoulder in one go" and "lifting it for the back"?
How many reps are you doing per set? If you're doing sets of 20 and are managing 30 sets, thats 600 pushups and 600 situps (plus 600 each of whatever the hell those other exercises are) in 3 minutes. Either you're lying, you don't know what these exercises are and are doing something completely different, or you don't know how to count.
 
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Artoris

Gold Member
I have no idea what you're saying here.

What is "for the biceps and then the shoulder in one go" and "lifting it for the back"?
How many reps are you doing per set? If you're doing sets of 20 and are managing 30 sets, thats 600 pushups and 600 situps (plus 600 each of whatever the hell those other exercises are) in 3 minutes. Either you're lying, you don't know what these exercises are and are doing something completely different, or you don't know how to count.
I don't talk to stupid
 

Artoris

Gold Member
Mate, you're the one who fucked up counting.
Only thing I fucked up on is I called reps sets

and I do think people who try to make a big deal out of accidentally mistakes like typos are not worth talking to, in my experience
 

poodaddy

Member
Only thing I fucked up on is I called reps sets

and I do think people who try to make a big deal out of accidentally mistakes like typos are not worth talking to, in my experience
You asked people for help, they're trying to help you at least get your terminology down, as it's pretty fucking important to know what movements you're doing and how you're programming them, and you're being rude and insulting people. That's all, and it's that simple. You don't wanna be in shape, and you never fuckin will be if five minutes of commitment is all you can muster. You're lazy, and you don't want to be helped, you simply want to be reassured. I remember getting banned on resetera for saying one can get a bigger ass through squats in a fitness thread because everyone else was saying you just have to get fatter to get an ass. That's you bro. You are resetera material. Go there if you wanna get mad about people telling you the difference between a goddamn set and a rep, when it can literally be the primary indicator of whether someone is over or under training. As for you, you haven't a concept of what constitutes training, and you haven't the constitution to achieve even your minute goals, nor the ability to accept and acknowledge information from those who are more educated and experienced in this area than you. You lack the basic intellectual capacity to explain what in the hell "lifting it for the back" and "biceps and shoulders in one go" is, and you apparently lack even the cursory dedication necessary to do a 30 second Google search on basic movements and what they're called, and yet you're asinine enough to insult those trying to aid you by garnering a modicum of information on what strange, archaic movements you're performing.

Tell ya what, why don't ya go "lift it for the back" some more and just do whatever the fuck you want since you obviously aren't interested in taking anyone's advice anyway. You probably utilized more calories starting this thread than one of your ridiculous amateur hour, excuse me, 5 minute training sessions.

Goddamn I have never once seen a more pathetic and disingenuous OP, or a thread started in worse faith. This shit makes console warrior threads on gaming side seem like academia in comparison.
 

Artoris

Gold Member
You asked people for help, they're trying to help you at least get your terminology down, as it's pretty fucking important to know what movements you're doing and how you're programming them, and you're being rude and insulting people. That's all, and it's that simple. You don't wanna be in shape, and you never fuckin will be if five minutes of commitment is all you can muster. You're lazy, and you don't want to be helped, you simply want to be reassured. I remember getting banned on resetera for saying one can get a bigger ass through squats in a fitness thread because everyone else was saying you just have to get fatter to get an ass. That's you bro. You are resetera material. Go there if you wanna get mad about people telling you the difference between a goddamn set and a rep, when it can literally be the primary indicator of whether someone is over or under training. As for you, you haven't a concept of what constitutes training, and you haven't the constitution to achieve even your minute goals, nor the ability to accept and acknowledge information from those who are more educated and experienced in this area than you. You lack the basic intellectual capacity to explain what in the hell "lifting it for the back" and "biceps and shoulders in one go" is, and you apparently lack even the cursory dedication necessary to do a 30 second Google search on basic movements and what they're called, and yet you're asinine enough to insult those trying to aid you by garnering a modicum of information on what strange, archaic movements you're performing.

Tell ya what, why don't ya go "lift it for the back" some more and just do whatever the fuck you want since you obviously aren't interested in taking anyone's advice anyway. You probably utilized more calories starting this thread than one of your ridiculous amateur hour, excuse me, 5 minute training sessions.

Goddamn I have never once seen a more pathetic and disingenuous OP, or a thread started in worse faith. This shit makes console warrior threads on gaming side seem like academia in comparison.
As far as I can tell you don't give any advice, all you do is talk and if you think doing 50 press-ups and the other exercises I mentioned each morning
is of no use and being lazy, then I am not interested in your opinion

"experienced in this area than you". Googling for words sure
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

played the long game
You asked people for help, they're trying to help you at least get your terminology down, as it's pretty fucking important to know what movements you're doing and how you're programming them, and you're being rude and insulting people. That's all, and it's that simple. You don't wanna be in shape, and you never fuckin will be if five minutes of commitment is all you can muster. You're lazy, and you don't want to be helped, you simply want to be reassured. I remember getting banned on resetera for saying one can get a bigger ass through squats in a fitness thread because everyone else was saying you just have to get fatter to get an ass. That's you bro. You are resetera material. Go there if you wanna get mad about people telling you the difference between a goddamn set and a rep, when it can literally be the primary indicator of whether someone is over or under training. As for you, you haven't a concept of what constitutes training, and you haven't the constitution to achieve even your minute goals, nor the ability to accept and acknowledge information from those who are more educated and experienced in this area than you. You lack the basic intellectual capacity to explain what in the hell "lifting it for the back" and "biceps and shoulders in one go" is, and you apparently lack even the cursory dedication necessary to do a 30 second Google search on basic movements and what they're called, and yet you're asinine enough to insult those trying to aid you by garnering a modicum of information on what strange, archaic movements you're performing.

Tell ya what, why don't ya go "lift it for the back" some more and just do whatever the fuck you want since you obviously aren't interested in taking anyone's advice anyway. You probably utilized more calories starting this thread than one of your ridiculous amateur hour, excuse me, 5 minute training sessions.

Goddamn I have never once seen a more pathetic and disingenuous OP, or a thread started in worse faith. This shit makes console warrior threads on gaming side seem like academia in comparison.
Harsh but true.

Anyways, I guess if the OP intends to do 50 pushups a day and 50 crunches a day he might get in pretty good shape for an 80 year old man. Good luck.
If you're actually serious and too lazy to join a gym, you'll need more than 5 minutes a day or have to find some way to start adding some weight resistance to your exercises. Fifty pushups a day will stop becoming a challenge within a few weeks at most, and without using any weights (perhaps a backpack might help) you'll be relying on ever increasing amount of volume to actually make any gains. When I went a year without a gym membership due to COVID panic, my volume for bodyweight exercises was in the range of a hundred reps or so per set and I still lost some muscle. One set alone will eat into most of your 5 minutes. Its dreadfully boring and inefficient compared to just lifting something really heavy. The starting strength recommendation was a good one.
 
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John Bilbo

Member
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This is the pre-work out I take. Is this a total waste of money? I get pumped when after drinking it, but I think it could just be the high amount of caffeine the drink contains.

I might give the banana + tall cup of coffee a try.
 

poodaddy

Member
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This is the pre-work out I take. Is this a total waste of money? I get pumped when after drinking it, but I think it could just be the high amount of caffeine the drink contains.

I might give the banana + tall cup of coffee a try.
It's not a waste of money necessarily, but it's probably more expensive than it should be. Beta alanine causes that itchy feeling in the skin that many associate with a good pre workout, but it isn't necessarily improving your performance. Essentially, your scalps gonna itch and feel weird after beta alanine whenever you're not lifting, so it can be effective for forcing someone into the gym when they're not really motivated. That being said, you seem motivated to me, so you probably don't need it. Another issue I have with beta alanine is that folks tend to not put enough rest time between sets when they're on it, myself included when I used to supplement with it in my early 20's. It causes too much physical irritation and "hype", which can be fine if you're just going for failure, but if you're doing high intensity work, like say 6 sets of singles at 80 to 85% of your one rep max, then you're gonna need to put at least 3 minutes of rest between sets, and really I'd say 5 ish minutes sometimes depending on your exhaustion level. Training heavy isn't a race, it's a slow, careful process, and beta alanine can really fuck with it. Glycolytic work typically goes pretty well with it though. Other than that, the main ingredients are caffeine, (of which 300 mg is right at the recommended daily cap for adult males, so this is a bit too much in my opinion as you really shouldn't drink any more coffee through out the day after), and niacin is just a b vitamin. All b vitamins are great for consistent energy output as they help your body utilize calories as energy, so it's certainly good that it's there, but that's why I always recommend a banana. Bananas are packed with b vitamins but aren't quite as fibrous as a lot of other b vitamin heavy weights like sweet potatoes. Generally, I'd say go with a sweet potato for the extra vitamin A and fiber, as sweet potatoes are basically a perfect food, but that fiber before a workout is gonna be pretty uncomfortable as anyone who squats can attest lol. Could lead to some rather embarrassing moments too. Also, a banana and a cup of coffee will put you right at about 100 calories of simple carbs, which is ideal for a workout that focuses on glycolytic work, (probably the primary energy pathway focused on when someone says they're going to the gym), and a cup of coffee is gonna be roughly 100 mg of caffeine give or take around 15 mg depending on how strong you like it. That's ideal for avoiding that caffeine crash that's associated with intake of large amounts of caffeine at once, and it's more than enough caffeine to stimulate your nervous system. Caffeine is a diaretic though, so you could still have some discomfort and what not. Such is why I like oats in the morning, but definitely not right before training as I'd be afraid of shitting myself lol. A banana works well for this, but I'd still recommend pumpin out a duke before training, especially if you're squatting or deadlifting.......or "lifting it for the back." whatever the fuck that means :D
 

John Bilbo

Member
It's not a waste of money necessarily, but it's probably more expensive than it should be. Beta alanine causes that itchy feeling in the skin that many associate with a good pre workout, but it isn't necessarily improving your performance. Essentially, your scalps gonna itch and feel weird after beta alanine whenever you're not lifting, so it can be effective for forcing someone into the gym when they're not really motivated. That being said, you seem motivated to me, so you probably don't need it. Another issue I have with beta alanine is that folks tend to not put enough rest time between sets when they're on it, myself included when I used to supplement with it in my early 20's. It causes too much physical irritation and "hype", which can be fine if you're just going for failure, but if you're doing high intensity work, like say 6 sets of singles at 80 to 85% of your one rep max, then you're gonna need to put at least 3 minutes of rest between sets, and really I'd say 5 ish minutes sometimes depending on your exhaustion level. Training heavy isn't a race, it's a slow, careful process, and beta alanine can really fuck with it. Glycolytic work typically goes pretty well with it though. Other than that, the main ingredients are caffeine, (of which 300 mg is right at the recommended daily cap for adult males, so this is a bit too much in my opinion as you really shouldn't drink any more coffee through out the day after), and niacin is just a b vitamin. All b vitamins are great for consistent energy output as they help your body utilize calories as energy, so it's certainly good that it's there, but that's why I always recommend a banana. Bananas are packed with b vitamins but aren't quite as fibrous as a lot of other b vitamin heavy weights like sweet potatoes. Generally, I'd say go with a sweet potato for the extra vitamin A and fiber, as sweet potatoes are basically a perfect food, but that fiber before a workout is gonna be pretty uncomfortable as anyone who squats can attest lol. Could lead to some rather embarrassing moments too. Also, a banana and a cup of coffee will put you right at about 100 calories of simple carbs, which is ideal for a workout that focuses on glycolytic work, (probably the primary energy pathway focused on when someone says they're going to the gym), and a cup of coffee is gonna be roughly 100 mg of caffeine give or take around 15 mg depending on how strong you like it. That's ideal for avoiding that caffeine crash that's associated with intake of large amounts of caffeine at once, and it's more than enough caffeine to stimulate your nervous system. Caffeine is a diaretic though, so you could still have some discomfort and what not. Such is why I like oats in the morning, but definitely not right before training as I'd be afraid of shitting myself lol. A banana works well for this, but I'd still recommend pumpin out a duke before training, especially if you're squatting or deadlifting.......or "lifting it for the back." whatever the fuck that means :D
Thank you for another in-depth answer. I will read it tomorrow with more care when I'm sober 🥴
 

John Bilbo

Member
It's not a waste of money necessarily, but it's probably more expensive than it should be. Beta alanine causes that itchy feeling in the skin that many associate with a good pre workout, but it isn't necessarily improving your performance. Essentially, your scalps gonna itch and feel weird after beta alanine whenever you're not lifting, so it can be effective for forcing someone into the gym when they're not really motivated. That being said, you seem motivated to me, so you probably don't need it. Another issue I have with beta alanine is that folks tend to not put enough rest time between sets when they're on it, myself included when I used to supplement with it in my early 20's. It causes too much physical irritation and "hype", which can be fine if you're just going for failure, but if you're doing high intensity work, like say 6 sets of singles at 80 to 85% of your one rep max, then you're gonna need to put at least 3 minutes of rest between sets, and really I'd say 5 ish minutes sometimes depending on your exhaustion level. Training heavy isn't a race, it's a slow, careful process, and beta alanine can really fuck with it. Glycolytic work typically goes pretty well with it though. Other than that, the main ingredients are caffeine, (of which 300 mg is right at the recommended daily cap for adult males, so this is a bit too much in my opinion as you really shouldn't drink any more coffee through out the day after), and niacin is just a b vitamin. All b vitamins are great for consistent energy output as they help your body utilize calories as energy, so it's certainly good that it's there, but that's why I always recommend a banana. Bananas are packed with b vitamins but aren't quite as fibrous as a lot of other b vitamin heavy weights like sweet potatoes. Generally, I'd say go with a sweet potato for the extra vitamin A and fiber, as sweet potatoes are basically a perfect food, but that fiber before a workout is gonna be pretty uncomfortable as anyone who squats can attest lol. Could lead to some rather embarrassing moments too. Also, a banana and a cup of coffee will put you right at about 100 calories of simple carbs, which is ideal for a workout that focuses on glycolytic work, (probably the primary energy pathway focused on when someone says they're going to the gym), and a cup of coffee is gonna be roughly 100 mg of caffeine give or take around 15 mg depending on how strong you like it. That's ideal for avoiding that caffeine crash that's associated with intake of large amounts of caffeine at once, and it's more than enough caffeine to stimulate your nervous system. Caffeine is a diaretic though, so you could still have some discomfort and what not. Such is why I like oats in the morning, but definitely not right before training as I'd be afraid of shitting myself lol. A banana works well for this, but I'd still recommend pumpin out a duke before training, especially if you're squatting or deadlifting.......or "lifting it for the back." whatever the fuck that means :D
So the thing with me is I like routines. I like the routines associated with working out and the routines around the work out, like taking the PWO and making and drinking the recovery shake after the work out. But then again I don't like wasting money :D and I also really like drinking coffee (another routine).

I have suspected that PWO I use currently has too much caffeine for me as it makes me hyper active if I drink any more coffee during the day. I think I'll use the remaining powder I have and try the coffee + banana tip you gave me. I might try a caffeineless PWO later.

I recognize the beta alanine hype feeling you describe. That might become a problem later on.
 

OZ9000

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I absolutely love the feeling attributed to beta alanine. 100% turns my lazy ass to go the gym

I make my own preworkout with a scoop of beta alanine and a scoop of citrulline malate. Nothing else needed.
 

Tams

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beta alanine

I've never heard of this. Reading up on it, it sounds pretty good! Thanks! I'll get myself some as I've been having endurance issues recently.

That said, I can attest to a banana and coffee. It perks me up for the day, though I've never tried it before my morning workout. I think I'll give that a shot first.
 
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Tams

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Its a good non-caffeinated pre workout in conjunction with citrulline. Highly recommend it.

Lol, got me between edits!

Anyway, do you have recommendations for something that has just those two and nothing else? Or just get them separately?
 

OZ9000

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Lol, got me between edits!

Anyway, do you have recommendations for something that has just those two and nothing else? Or just get them separately?
To be honest they are the main ingredients in pre workout that can be purchased cheaper seperately.

Examine.com suggests 5g citrulline before exercise as it "may" help with endurance.

Personally I use the two to help fend off the post work fatigue that would otherwise make me do anything but hit the gym. Caffeine in the evening would cause me insomnia.
 

poodaddy

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To be honest they are the main ingredients in pre workout that can be purchased cheaper seperately.

Examine.com suggests 5g citrulline before exercise as it "may" help with endurance.

Personally I use the two to help fend off the post work fatigue that would otherwise make me do anything but hit the gym. Caffeine in the evening would cause me insomnia.
I can attest to this. Caffeine past 5 pm for me has become a massive no no these days, as I'll be up till 2 am for sure every time. I admittedly don't use beta alanine these days, but it can certainly be effective for sure. Caffeine is tricky. It works, and is proven to work, but when people start overdoing caffeine for the sake of training to the extent that it's affecting their sleep, it kind of strikes me as a two steps forward one step back situation. Good sleep is crucial for recovery. You probably don't need the 8 to 9 hours that most people claim, but if you're getting less than 6 than I promise your recovery is suffering, so caffeine should be treated with a great deal of responsibility.

Also, depending on your training goals, creatine does work, but it can be hard on the liver if used in excess, and as I really enjoy a drink or two at the end of the night I've decided to put the creatine away to take it easy on the liver. Since I'm going sober soon, I may or may not hop back on a creatine cycle again in the near future, I haven't decided yet. Research your creatine well though. I prefer to get mine imported from Germany, as at least it'll really be creatine. I'm an American, but I'll be the first to admit that our supplement industry is a flaming pile of bullshit and snake oil, and it is terribly regulated. So many American supplements have been found to contain excessive amounts of heavy metals, chemicals, colors, and fillers like flour and powdered sugar. Go for the German supplements, they're regulated much more strictly, or at least they were back when I was supplementing. I haven't supplemented for the better part of ten years, so that may be different now, I'm honestly unsure.
 

John Bilbo

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I'm an American, but I'll be the first to admit that our supplement industry is a flaming pile of bullshit and snake oil, and it is terribly regulated. So many American supplements have been found to contain excessive amounts of heavy metals, chemicals, colors, and fillers like flour and powdered sugar.
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That's rough!
 

JessieJim

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I can say that using a bike e.g. Shimano can be a great way to shed some pounds, but it's important to keep in mind that there's no magic solution for weight loss. While biking can definitely be a helpful tool, it's still important to maintain a healthy diet and exercise routine. So if you're thinking about using a bike to help reach your weight loss goals, go for it! Just don't forget to pair it with a balanced lifestyle. Good luck!
 

Raven117

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I want an update from the OP! How is that 5 minute work out going?

Look, anything is better than nothing, but goodness. You need AT LEAST 30 minutes.
 

Artoris

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I want an update from the OP! How is that 5 minute work out going?

Look, anything is better than nothing, but goodness. You need AT LEAST 30 minutes.
At the moment, it works out to 100 push-ups and 100 reps of each of the rest of the exercises, and it's making a noticeable different, especially with some jogging and hill walking

at full blast, it's possible to do 350 reps of each of the exercises a week by spending 5 min each day, but it's very concentrated then
 

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At the moment, it works out to 100 push-ups and 100 reps of each of the rest of the exercises, and it's making a noticeable different, especially with some jogging and hill walking

at full blast, it's possible to do 350 reps of each of the exercises a week by spending 5 min each day, but it's very concentrated then
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Raven117

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At the moment, it works out to 100 push-ups and 100 reps of each of the rest of the exercises, and it's making a noticeable different, especially with some jogging and hill walking

at full blast, it's possible to do 350 reps of each of the exercises a week by spending 5 min each day, but it's very concentrated then
Ah, but you are running as well. (Taking you out of the 5 minute work out).

But glad you are seeing some results! Good for you! (Im sure you are eating a little better as well).
 

Artoris

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Ah, but you are running as well. (Taking you out of the 5 minute work out).

But glad you are seeing some results! Good for you! (Im sure you are eating a little better as well).
I don't mind running and don't think of it as an exercise but rather something I enjoy but with just running the upper body gets next to no exercise
 

Raven117

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I don't mind running and don't think of it as an exercise but rather something I enjoy but with just running the upper body gets next to no exercise
Ha. Gotcha. I like running as well, but man...Over time...it really tears you up.

Obviously, don't fix what aint broke, but I would suggest getting some more resistance training in your routine. Your runs will be stronger and feel better. And it gives a more well rounded fitness routine.
 

L*][*N*K

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I am thinking about putting together a fitness plan

it must fit in 5 minutes

10 to 20 sit-ups and leg rises at the same time

10 to 20 push-ups

10 to 20 for the biceps and then the shoulder in one go

10 to 20 lifting it for the back
Man it doesn’t work like that, my advice is to do a five workout day plan, target each muscle group twice a week:
Sunday: Chest and Triceps
Monday: Shoulder and Biceps
Tuesday: Back and Legs
Then repeat day 1 and 2, and take two days rest
Your idea seems extremely simplistic and you will get bored with it really fast, which is why most people end up quitting after a few weeks
 

Tams

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Ha. Gotcha. I like running as well, but man...Over time...it really tears you up.

Obviously, don't fix what aint broke, but I would suggest getting some more resistance training in your routine. Your runs will be stronger and feel better. And it gives a more well rounded fitness routine.

I limit myself to three runs a week. Now my runs are what I call 'photo runs', as in I do a lot of taking photos, but I do actually run quite a bit on them and hard (makes almost a bit HIIT like).

And boy, can it feel like my lower body is tearing itself apart. That's with proper stretching and avoiding roads as much as possible.
 
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