OmegaSupreme
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Go the Sega route perhaps. We could be playing halo on playstation in 10 years.
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Where does Microsoft go from here?
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ResilientBanana
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Exactly. Can’t make a dent if you don’t drop the hammers.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Christ the bots are out aren't they.
MS and Xbox will be fine and had massive success last year/2 years and some goodies already this year -
Good year being setup for 2023 (Halo Tatanka, Starfield, Minecraft Legends, Redfall, Forza Motorsport) and the following years 2024/25 (Perfect Dark, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Wolfenstein, Indiana Jones, Fable, Avowed etc), all that even without ActiBliz. ActiBliz will go through eventually (in some form) as well.
The variety of games via Gamepass that myself, friends and family have enjoyed in the last 2 years is akin to the N64 days. Couch coop and online have been awesome. Games bought off GP after they leave is more games than I bought in the last 3 years combined. My kids and their friends all have Xbox/GP and love it. I/kids play more diverse games than ever, mostly thanks to Gamepass.
AAA is a blackmark on Xbox, Xbox is fine outside of that. Third party games like Hogwarts, Atomic Heart, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Elden Ring, It Takes Two, Star Wars Fallen Order 2 etc ensure there is plenty to play outside of exclusive AAA. I love posts/threads like this that contradict themselves...
LEFT HAND: Xbox must have AAA games
RIGHT HAND: Xbox cannot just buy AAA devs
Case in point: Pepsi is massive, Coke have had their number for 2 decades in terms of market cap and public perception, turnover is Pepsi @ $60+Billion and Coke @ $45+Billion. Pepsi have a higher net profit by around double than Coke do, one wouldn't think that given the zeitgeist but it was factual around 2018 and similar trends exist today still.
It's really doesn't matter who is first, second or third in gaming. All the major console/handheld gaming platforms hit all time records in recent years, they're all having ups and downs with these world events and economies and game title releases hit and miss. Just wait for ActiBliz storm to clear up and Xbox really get moving with PR and releases. Timing matters for Xbox at the moment.
EDIT: Many posters also don't realise during the pandemic supply shortages Xbox was also building their xCloud blade servers based on the same silicon from Series S/X, in the order of millions from what I understand.
MS and Xbox will be fine and had massive success last year/2 years and some goodies already this year -
- e.g. Forza Horizon 5/Hot Wheels
- Sea of Thieves
- Tunic
- Cuphead DLC
- Pentiment
- Two Point Series
- Grounded
- Avengers/GotG on GP
- Hi Fi Rush
- High On Life
- MS Flight
- Psychonauts 2
- Vampire Survivors
- Age of Empires 4
- Halo MCC updates and current state
Good year being setup for 2023 (Halo Tatanka, Starfield, Minecraft Legends, Redfall, Forza Motorsport) and the following years 2024/25 (Perfect Dark, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Wolfenstein, Indiana Jones, Fable, Avowed etc), all that even without ActiBliz. ActiBliz will go through eventually (in some form) as well.
The variety of games via Gamepass that myself, friends and family have enjoyed in the last 2 years is akin to the N64 days. Couch coop and online have been awesome. Games bought off GP after they leave is more games than I bought in the last 3 years combined. My kids and their friends all have Xbox/GP and love it. I/kids play more diverse games than ever, mostly thanks to Gamepass.
AAA is a blackmark on Xbox, Xbox is fine outside of that. Third party games like Hogwarts, Atomic Heart, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Elden Ring, It Takes Two, Star Wars Fallen Order 2 etc ensure there is plenty to play outside of exclusive AAA. I love posts/threads like this that contradict themselves...
LEFT HAND: Xbox must have AAA games
RIGHT HAND: Xbox cannot just buy AAA devs
Case in point: Pepsi is massive, Coke have had their number for 2 decades in terms of market cap and public perception, turnover is Pepsi @ $60+Billion and Coke @ $45+Billion. Pepsi have a higher net profit by around double than Coke do, one wouldn't think that given the zeitgeist but it was factual around 2018 and similar trends exist today still.
It's really doesn't matter who is first, second or third in gaming. All the major console/handheld gaming platforms hit all time records in recent years, they're all having ups and downs with these world events and economies and game title releases hit and miss. Just wait for ActiBliz storm to clear up and Xbox really get moving with PR and releases. Timing matters for Xbox at the moment.
EDIT: Many posters also don't realise during the pandemic supply shortages Xbox was also building their xCloud blade servers based on the same silicon from Series S/X, in the order of millions from what I understand.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
For it to grow on consoles, you need people to buy consoles.
semiconscious
Member
it reminds me of the covid-19 vaccine passport system & the covid-19 vaccine. they got the passport system in place. but it was predicated on the vaccine both immunizing & preventing transmission, & it did neither, totally killing the original purpose of the passports...
game pass was conceived with the idea of it offering triple-a games on something of a regular basis ('all our titles, day 1!'). but, a couple years on now, there just haven't really been that many...
Supple
Banned
Most of those titles sell better on Steam while only a small percentage of Game Pass subscribers will actually purchase all those games.
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For now we must wait to see what happens with Activision.
If it definitely fails it's going to be hard to keep the "Microsoft Gaming" perspective into place. I can't see them return to an old fashioned Xbox strategy centered around console gaming with exclusive games and hardware. They strayed too far from that.
If it definitely fails it's going to be hard to keep the "Microsoft Gaming" perspective into place. I can't see them return to an old fashioned Xbox strategy centered around console gaming with exclusive games and hardware. They strayed too far from that.
ByWatterson
Member
Let's not derail. Please.
But I agree with your conclusion. The premise of the system hasn't materialized and yet, here's this system.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
God, I hate these list-type context-lacking posts.
What is all that doing for MS? Consoes sales are down, gamepass subs are stagnating, and revenues are down.... how exactly are you measuring them having massive success?
Actually nvm.
GHG
Member
At this point I just say let them keep doing it. The only people they're hurting in the long run is themselves.
Imagine telling Xbox you're happy with what they've been doing at this point. It's beyond a joke.
Or maybe that was never the plan. As time goes by they're changing their own internal definition of what is a AAA game. Of course it's very gradual, but i don't think they're dumb enough to have ever believed classic AAA game really fits the new ways of distributing content. They have to be live service game, or more modest games.
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
Hogwarts Legacy is still on par with Hi-Fi rush even with the review bombs because of J.K. Rowling. You have essentially made my point.
semiconscious
Member
sorry, wasn't intending to derail. the similarities were just too similar: predicating one thing on another thing that didn't (so far, in this case) materialize...
which's fine. but, if it no longer corresponds to what many subscribers' definition of what a aaa game is, it could present problems, i'm thinking...
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Jim has a few words for Phill and company:
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
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It's not like they're going to #1 across all games and platforms overnight, reductive argument you have there. Xbox are doing more good than bad and have for years now. You also have zero data to backup your claim. There are far more devs/indies/studios happy with their GP deals than not, overwhelmingly so.
Fact: Series S/X have outsold Xbox 360 era for the same time since launch. Just because there is one slight slowing of YoY growth for a quarter after all tech blowing up due to pandemic/war does not erase the solid uptake in Xbox sales over the last couple of years. Again, another reduction you make without the full context.
Note: my post isn't missing context, you're just crap at assimilation. Here's some context, not that you'll accept anything showing Xbox in a positive light -
Xbox Series X|S Remain Xbox's Fastest-Selling Consoles Ever - IGN
Last year, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella announced at the company's full year earnings call that the Xbox Series X and S were the fastest-selling consoles in Xbox history. Now, a year later and nearly two years into the consoles' life cycles, he's affirmed this is still true.
Great, I am happy with Xbox. You know the place I can manage my family, friends and gaming across my phones, computers, consoles and even my daughter's Macbook where's she has been streaming Hogwarts to play. My library of apps, movies, games, security, privacy, parental controls, achievements, friends lists, save games, upgrades/downloads for each device and everything are all available at my fingertips.
I'm on record about AAA is a blackmark, just a few posts ago. Again, another reductive anti-Xbox remark. GAF is full of them.
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Sony already does that, why not MS?
ByWatterson
Member
But that's sort of my overall take.
The point of Gamepass is to go beyond the console. But so far, it's just as tethered to a box as game sales are and makes less profit (if any, although it's clearly a revenue monster).
So what's the point? Are they just riding out this tough period until the acceptance and widespread adoption of cloud?
Gamepass was supposed to sell boxes (and for me it did!). But it's still mostly boxes selling Gamepass. Which means AAA. Which clearly still sell on their own.
So why bother if you're Xbox?
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SoloKingRobert
Banned
I'm pretty confident Microsoft will acquire Ubisoft next, and Make all Ubisoft games exclusive to PC and Xbox.
ByWatterson
Member
I too would like to purchase the Titanic.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I’d like to see new people lead the brand, from the leadership to product management to marketing.
Substantial investment in new talent that can push the brand forward not only in hardware/software but even smaller operations like developing a slick new user experience/interface to give these consoles a fresh feel.
Substantial investment in new talent that can push the brand forward not only in hardware/software but even smaller operations like developing a slick new user experience/interface to give these consoles a fresh feel.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Smh...
Ok, here's a fact for you since you like them so much... launch aligned, Do you know what other Xbox console is tracking better than the 360? The XB1.
Want more facts, the XBS consoles are only doing like 1M more launch aligned than the XB1... and the XB1 didn't have a $299 starting price.
And you're using the fastest BS stat in X console as a fact? And you take about people being crap at assimilation? I am not even going to bother explaining why stats like that are BS.
I give you some hints though, if you start off expecting nothing, then you can't be disappointed. Or.... in the and of the bind, the one-eyed man is king.
I bow out of this though, we can just agree to disagree.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Gamepass is also available in PC. There's ten times the amount of gaming PCs out there than any two consoles put together.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I'm not a pessimist, you clearly are. Good day.
Mikey Jr.
Member
I'm sure the outlets giving Hogwarts a fucking ONE is fair too.......
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Please read `grow on consoles`.
And read what I said in this very thread about them and PC.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
We said for years it's about heavy hitting games and i
You call that lineup with the past 2 years a "massive success?"
Those games are barely bringing anyone to the Xbox ecosystem and that's the problem. Sure, most are them are probably highly praised titles, but they obviously need more than that.
What you don't understand is that you can't rely on third-party exclusives to build your user base. Games like Hogwarts, Fortnite, Apex Legends, and Elden Ring are on PlayStation consoles, so what's going to make the casual gamer choose PlayStation over Xbox? EXCLUSIVES!
Look at the PlayStation exclusive lineup within the past 6 years.. Do you most gamers are going to find the PlayStation console the more attractive one?
It comes down to games. You need the heavy hitters that are going to bring a lot of gamers to your platform and so far they have been struggling.
You call that lineup with the past 2 years a "massive success?"
Those games are barely bringing anyone to the Xbox ecosystem and that's the problem. Sure, most are them are probably highly praised titles, but they obviously need more than that.
What you don't understand is that you can't rely on third-party exclusives to build your user base. Games like Hogwarts, Fortnite, Apex Legends, and Elden Ring are on PlayStation consoles, so what's going to make the casual gamer choose PlayStation over Xbox? EXCLUSIVES!
Look at the PlayStation exclusive lineup within the past 6 years.. Do you most gamers are going to find the PlayStation console the more attractive one?
It comes down to games. You need the heavy hitters that are going to bring a lot of gamers to your platform and so far they have been struggling.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I was making a point that despite gp being in the abundant PC market their growth has still slowed. They really need to market gamepass PC more. The potential audience is greater than consoles.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Stop buying studios, make the ones they have release quality games. It's getting riddiculus.
Gamepass, while I do like it, I think is hurting them badly. For now it doesn't matter because the games they release are usually mid-tier but once heavy hitters like Starfield drops having them day 1 on GamePass seems extremely stupid in my point of view.
Gamepass, while I do like it, I think is hurting them badly. For now it doesn't matter because the games they release are usually mid-tier but once heavy hitters like Starfield drops having them day 1 on GamePass seems extremely stupid in my point of view.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Out of a dozen segments Xbox has done good things for the majority of them e.g. single ecosystem, pricing, hardware quality, online latency, party chat, integrations, OS/feature updates, Gamepass, day one parity, more open beyond just console, streaming quality etc etc.
I totally agree heavy hitting AAA is a continued very weak spot for Xbox and year after year it has been a ugly waiting game, no argument there. I also agree if they had that GoW/Spidey/TLOU exclusive their consoles sales would be selling far better.
Much the same can be said of Google Pixel phones but overall Samsung use Android and eat their lunch vs Apple. Google are not upset by this just as Xbox are playing a longer term strategy right now. I hope more AAA Xbox comes out but I'm not expecting them to be exclusive for the majority of those releases, they be PC + Xbox + streaming day one.
The previous gen was around 2.4 (PS4) to 1 (Xbox One) and last year approx. 1.75 (PS5) to 1 (Series S/X). Given the latest data with PS5 pushing 200% plus thanks to AAA (GoW, Horizon, Spidey) and TLOU show etc it's likely heading back to 2 (PS5) to 1 (Xbox). This will change in the coming years. I was never expecting Xbox to beat Sony out of the gate and they're strategy is more about growing the console but more so growing outside of the console by being open and brining streaming along as the tech/latency improve. Xbox is a different beast and they really don't need to be pushing 2 (Xbox) to 1 (Sony) to get where they want to be in 1-5 years.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
So it's pessimistic to conclude that if over the same amount of time, something is doing very similar to what its predecessor did before, even while being at a lower and more competitive starting price? Even while having an edge and none of the negative fanfare that came with said predecessor?
Those statements I made that you mistook for pessimism, actually means... doing better than the XB1 or faster...and by only like 1M launch aligned....isn't something to be too happy about. Cause that means its currently on track to do just around, and maybe slightly better than the XB1. It also means that when you have nothing to celebrate,its things like that that would be shouted from the rooftops.
And this is why I said I won't bother explaining it to you. Because this shit should be obvious.
rhodesianshepard
Member
Unless Sony fumbles the ball I just don't see Microsoft competing very well in the hardware department. Digital libraries already make it inconvenient to switch consoles. That will only get more difficult as digital sales will be the norm for buying games
That's not to mention, I don't think Microsoft has a AAA studio that is on the same level as Sony's top 4 studios. Maybe playground games has a chance to prove their talent with Fable, but idk
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Wholeheartedly agree.
Imagine that rather than spend $69B trying to buy COD, they instead put that money into gamepass on PC which in addition to giving you day 1 games, would mean that any third-party game you buy from the Xbox PC store was gonna be like 40% off as long as you have a gamepass sub. After 2 years of doing that steam would be in a lot of trouble.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Mate you think SoT, Forza, Flight and Infinite all pushing over 20Million players and record sales for those studios aren't massive success? The former 3 have sustained their audiences and sold the most of their franchises/years on the market. They are also still growing, Infinite sucks and deserves the axe. Says it all really.
Buggy Loop
Member
Poor Microsoft
I don't think a lot of peoples here understand Microsoft's end game
I don't think a lot of peoples here understand Microsoft's end game
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
Dam you really don't get it do you?
Ok... if you or I remember, let's have this conversation again in about 2 years. Again, let's for now...just agree to disagree.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The reason why it was close this gen was due to supply issues and now they're seeing the gap widen between both consoles. Microsoft is discounting the Series S console by nearly $70 just to attract gamers and it's still early in the generation.
Having good console features is nice, but we're talking about building the Xbox ecosystem and it's not going well so far.
Remember, Xbox nearly matched console sales during the 360 area and has declined ever since. There's no doubt Microsoft wants to get into that position again and this is one of the reasons why they created the Xbox Series S. These are not positive signs there are issues with the gaming division of Xbox. It's not all doom and gloom because they have many games lined up for the future, but as of right now, they're struggling.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I agree Sony will sell more as the supply improved, never disputed such a fact for the market #2. Anything else you claim about Xbox, prove it with facts, links and numbers (like my post above factually proving Series S/X has outsold 360 for the same duration). Otherwise I'll debate until the cows come home. I showed links from late last year, Xbox sold the most consoles in the history of Xbox, the previous 2 financial years are the biggest on record for Xbox. They have more studios than ever and more wins than losses.
Could they be doing even better as you suggest? Hell yes. Could they rival Sony or Ninty if they had those killer exclusive titles across Xbox/PC/xCloud? Hell yes. Is that the market Xbox are solely focused on like Sony/Xbox? Hell NO. Xbox is a different beast now, they're doing what Azure did, going more open.
They're getting there, right now doom and gloom is just the media/forums etc. Once ActiBliz clears up the tune will change within the 12-24 months post that. The writing and execution of this long game has been coming to fruition pretty rapidly, Gamepass being sustainable and profit is a major win and they haven't even really gotten started in terms of titles releasing yet.
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DaleinCalgary
Member
MS is going to be fine. The XSX is a great console and they will never catch Sony or Nintendo but they don't need to. There is room for all 3 and competition is great for us.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
is a testament of how bad MS's management of their game division (IP, Brand/Hardware, Studios) has been over the years when this aura of gloom and doom lurks over their future.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
as long as it makes financial sense for MS to have Xbox, is going to stick around.
Microsoft has already been barely competing without having Sony's level of top 4 studios. I can only see them going up from here on out since they do have a lot more studios. On the digital library front they already are fighting with gamepass so they have you in that ecosystem.
I hope I'm wrong but for some odd reason I keep thinking that Sony is going to stumble near the end of this gen since they are pushing with these online service games that will be releasing in the next few years.
PixelatedBeast
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Stay the course. Microsoft and Xbox will be just fine.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Look at the leaked numbers.
PlayStation
Jun-22: 277K
Jul-22: 301K
Aug-22: 341K
Sep-22: 494K
Oct-22: 456K
Nov-22: 1328K
Xbox
Jun-22: 260K
Jul-22: 247K
Aug-22: 251K
Sep-22: 288K
Oct-22: 261K
Nov-22: 730K
A high record financial year doesn't tell us much considering the areas where they're making revenue, which doesn't always translate to a lot of profit.
That's a low number of consoles sold during the holidays and you can see how much they're starting to lag behind. Sony was close to doubling the number of consoles sold by comparison this early in the generation.
Game Pass can be sustainable for them because they can afford to put a lot of money to maintain it, which also includes losing money.
I'm not saying Xbox is done, but these are not signs of a massive success lol
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