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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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akimbo009

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Literally all of her tweets on this subject are very much "USA, USA, USA" with a sprinkling of "fuck China". Even to the degree that she's insinuating foreign regulatory bodies shouldn't have a say in the matter.

That wouldn't be a problem if not for the fact that this deal has implications on a global scale for the industry.

Well..... Fuck China, cause genocidal authoritarians are well... Shit.
 

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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The second largest tech company in the world is buying the largest third-party video game publisher in the world (who happens to be the 40th largest tech company in the world). Keep in mind that the two other major players on the console market are Sony, who is the 30th largest tech company in the world, and Nintendo, who is the 46th largest tech company in the world.

So the second largest tech company is buying another tech company who is already larger than one of the other major players in the console market (Nintendo), and you can't see how that is monopolistic behavior? Microsoft's Market Cap is about $1.8 trillion. Sony's is about $96 billion. Activision Blizzard's is about $59.5 billion. Nintendo's is about $49.5 billion. Microsoft's response about the competition's "deep pockets" is retarded on its face.


FYI I was corrected that that response was *NOT* from MS

But from Activision.

I'll edit the post so there's no more confusion.
 
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akimbo009

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I just legitimately want to know if Sony has an actual plan for a Playstation without Call of Duty.

From where I'm sitting, it seems like Sony is kinda fucked here and they don't really have anything that could remotely possibly even pretend to replace it. They let Killzone and SOCOM both die, not that either were ever anything more than niche titles in their heyday, but this seems like an abject lesson in growing too dependent on third party developers for content.

Nintendo had it right from day 1, they don't need any third parties to be successful.

COD won't be withheld from PlayStation. And Sony would be fine, but it's not an issue anyway.
 
I just legitimately want to know if Sony has an actual plan for a Playstation without Call of Duty.

From where I'm sitting, it seems like Sony is kinda fucked here and they don't really have anything that could remotely possibly even pretend to replace it. They let Killzone and SOCOM both die, not that either were ever anything more than niche titles in their heyday, but this seems like an abject lesson in growing too dependent on third party developers for content.

Nintendo had it right from day 1, they don't need any third parties to be successful.
They can have Bungie drum up some crazy military multi platform loot shooter and it will probably have great fanfare.
 

feynoob

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IFireflyl

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FYI I was corrected that that response was *NOT* from MS

But from Activision.

I'll edit the post so there's no more confusion.

You should definitely edit it for clarity, but my point still stands. Just because Activision Blizzard is the one who said it instead of Microsoft doesn't make the comment any less stupid. The "deep pockets" of a company with a Market Cap of $95 billion is meaningless when compared to the actual deep pockets of a company with a Market Cap of close to $2 trillion.
 

akimbo009

Gold Member
You should definitely edit it for clarity, but my point still stands. Just because Activision Blizzard is the one who said it instead of Microsoft doesn't make the comment any less stupid. The "deep pockets" of a company with a Market Cap of $95 billion is meaningless when compared to the actual deep pockets of a company with a Market Cap of close to $2 trillion.

Sony isn't lacking money though. In terms of acquisitions, they aren't able to acquire as large targets but just picked up Bungie and have plenty of money to invest in their games and further. It may not be as deep as MS, but they are no pauper and plenty deep to maintain market position.
 

CRAIG667

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This pretty much goes with what many people in here myself included have been saying for the last few days. People are pretending this is just about CoD, it's not. And the FTC didn't sit down with Microsoft because they know that Microsoft offering up one IP for ten years when right after that they will cut them off in perpetuity is a joke. Unlike some here they also know that 10 years is only a small moment in time.

If this deal goes through just prepare for Tencent to swoop in and pick up EA. I cannot believe some of the short-sighted (but mah gamepass) views in this thread.
Who cares if someone/anyone buys EA!
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
Sony isn't lacking money though. In terms of acquisitions, they aren't able to acquire as large targets but just picked up Bungie and have plenty of money to invest in their games and further. It may not be as deep as MS, but they are no pauper and plenty deep to maintain market position.

I wasn't arguing that Sony and Nintendo are poor. I was arguing that nobody can claim that Xbox's competitors have deep pockets when Microsoft's pockets far eclipse their Xbox competitor's pockets. They are buying a company that is larger than Nintendo, and half the size of Sony. Nintendo and Sony combined couldn't buy Activision Blizzard.
 

akimbo009

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I wasn't arguing that Sony and Nintendo are poor. I was arguing that nobody can claim that Xbox's competitors have deep pockets when Microsoft's pockets far eclipse their Xbox competitor's pockets. They are buying a company that is larger than Nintendo, and half the size of Sony. Nintendo and Sony combined couldn't buy Activision Blizzard.

But the ability to acquire versus others investments isn't the point. Yes, Sony cannot but they don't lack the means to do pretty much anything they want to in terms of growing their business or leveraging their other businesses in media/entertainment IP which MS doesn't have. It's also not reasonable to equate Xbox with the full value of MS where they are a very small percentage overall.

No one is feeling sorry for MS. But Sony isn't insignificant.
 
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IFireflyl

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But the ability to acquire versus others investments isn't the point. Yes, Sony cannot but they don't lack the means to do pretty much anything they want to in terms of growing their business or leveraging their other businesses in media/entertainment IP which MS doesn't have. It's also not reasonable to equate Xbox with the full value of MS where they are a very small percentage overall.

No one is feeling sorry for MS. But Sony isn't insignificant.

Again, nobody is saying that Sony and Nintendo are poor, small people. Find another tree to bark up, because nothing you are saying is relevant to my point.
 
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Very generous to use them on others before yourself. Tis the season and all that.

I just legitimately want to know if Sony has an actual plan for a Playstation without Call of Duty.

From where I'm sitting, it seems like Sony is kinda fucked here and they don't really have anything that could remotely possibly even pretend to replace it. They let Killzone and SOCOM both die, not that either were ever anything more than niche titles in their heyday, but this seems like an abject lesson in growing too dependent on third party developers for content.

Nintendo had it right from day 1, they don't need any third parties to be successful.
What we've seen recently is that Sony doesn't NEED CoD to be successful. They never have. The sales of games like GoW show that no third party title will make or break a platform and Sony has lots of IP they can rely on to continue their market dominance.

But the ability to acquire versus others investments isn't the point. Yes, Sony cannot but they don't lack the means to do pretty much anything they want to in terms of growing their business or leveraging their other businesses in media/entertainment IP which MS doesn't have. It's also not reasonable to equate Xbox with the full value of MS where they are a very small percentage overall.

No one is feeling sorry for MS. But Sony isn't insignificant.
Sony is still in the preferred position. They don't need to spend the same kind of money to deny content to other platforms. It takes MS having to purchase studios to guarantee content. It makes way more sense long term but Sony being able to block content because of their market position is far more advantageous.
 

akimbo009

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Dude, read the post.



That's the entire point. There are no counterarguments to be made, because Microsoft's pockets are deeper than Sony's and Nintendo's. You cannot deny that. It is fact.

Yes, MS has more money. What other obvious point did you want to make?
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
I wonder what will happen if Sony never signs any agreement and the deal passes without concessions.

If the deal goes through then I hope Sony resurrects Killzone or SOCOM. What I don't want to see is Sony and Microsoft getting into a studio acquisition war.
 
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No, I wouldn't consider that a concession. It was something Microsoft already offered without any overt pressure or say from regulators. IMO a concession would be something regulatory bodies themselves either explicitly demand be done for approval of the deal, or a decision from Microsoft aligning with a general demand from regulators regarding the deal in order for it to be approved.

I.e Microsoft didn't offer the 10-year deal to Sony due to regulators demanding it specifically or implicitly, but because of a worry Microsoft had regarding regulators in general and them just wanting to throw something out there to appear more cooperative regarding the deal.



Cool.



Lol hey you don't have to go out of your way on this or anything, it's just a silly bet. It's up to you if you want to do something because the deal ends up abandoned, but I'm not gonna hold it against you or anything. For me this is mainly about concessions because I'm fairly confident at least some type of concessions are going to be officially required 😏



Agreed. And, I only win if concessions are made through requests from any of the main regulatory bodies (FTC, CMA, EU). If some other market's regulators require concessions, it doesn't count in this case, as those are not of the main markets.

Let's hope this ordeal around the deal is settled by June. I can't take another full year of this stuff dominating gaming conversations.

We have a deal sir!

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Jesus, where are this pseudo-lawyers popping up from? There's another one born on Twitter a minute at this rate.




That's a straight gangsta response.

FTC has been humbled.


In what way? Someone should tell her that COD has been in PS+ in the past so apparently ABK aren't that adverse to multi-game subs and having selective content hosted in them as a 3P entity, if the money's talking right.

And the claims that FTC misrepresented MS's claims in statements made to regulators in the EU is still open to interpretation, because Starfield very much WAS a game in development for PlayStation that has now been removed from the platform following MS's acquisition of Zenimax. And, given the template Starfield is built on (basically "Fallout in Space"), and considering the Fallout games (the existing Zenimax IP it's closest to in spirit) have been multiplatform since the PS3/360 gen, and have been huge sellers themselves during their day...

...it's natural to assume that if Starfield is in any way similar to those games then it would have obviously also fallen under Microsoft's own claimed criteria of being a type of game big enough to warrant a multi-platform release, yet will not be released on PlayStation systems at launch. Because that was one of the other things Microsoft mentioned in their statements to the EU: selective Zenimax content that made sense to keep multiplat would remain multiplat. How does a game billed as being Bethesda's biggest deal since Skyrim, that shares lineage with a franchise that has been multi-platform since the mid-2000s, and seen huge sales with mainline entries (among the biggest for the years new entries were released)...suddenly not warranted as a multiplatform release when it was in fact in development for multiple consoles before the acquisition was finalized?

Don't expect pseudo-lawyers on Twitter to actually apply any critical thinking and ask these questions, because that puts their arguments under too much a microscope. There are a lot of ways claims on both sides may have been looked at to come to their conclusions and statements. You gotta look at ALL the angles.

neil degrasse tyson we got a badass over here GIF

Very generous to use them on others before yourself. Tis the season and all that.


What we've seen recently is that Sony doesn't NEED CoD to be successful. They never have. The sales of games like GoW show that no third party title will make or break a platform and Sony has lots of IP they can rely on to continue their market dominance.

Well, Sony have stated that the revenue they generate from sales of 3P games like COD help enable the production and budgets of games like GOWR, HFW, etc. And there is truth to those claims. So on the one hand, they don't "need" COD for PS to survive as a console brand, that's true.

But if the result of losing games like COD leads to a decrease in overall install base sales that then causes them to lose other 3P games, and thus lose out on too much revenue on the gaming side, they may not have the budgets to keep funding games like a GOWR, and that could be a net loss for the market directly attributable to a Microsoft acquisition strategy.

Sony is still in the preferred position. They don't need to spend the same kind of money to deny content to other platforms. It takes MS having to purchase studios to guarantee content. It makes way more sense long term but Sony being able to block content because of their market position is far more advantageous.

Again, Sony enjoys that position because they consistently provided a better platform for customers, developers and publishers over their rivals, for multiple generations. That position is a reward of the market itself rewarding them for their efforts. It isn't leverage or revenue they got through buying up other companies.

That's a very distinct factor and it can't be overlooked. The same way some may claim MS being threatened of having this acquisition shut down is a punishment to their market success, it can very easily be argued that trying to chastise Sony for enjoying leverage with 3P publishers in favorable exclusivity deals etc. is a punishment for their success accumulated in the gaming market since the '90s.

If Microsoft retained the success in gaming they had with the 360 and continued to grow it, they would in fact have very similar leverage with such deals and publishers as Sony has. But they didn't, and that was Microsoft's mistake. Their failure. At least acknowledge that much.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Jesus, where are this pseudo-lawyers popping up from? There's another one born on Twitter a minute at this rate.



In what way? Someone should tell her that COD has been in PS+ in the past so apparently ABK aren't that adverse to multi-game subs and having selective content hosted in them as a 3P entity, if the money's talking right.

And the claims that FTC misrepresented MS's claims in statements made to regulators in the EU is still open to interpretation, because Starfield very much WAS a game in development for PlayStation that has now been removed from the platform following MS's acquisition of Zenimax. And, given the template Starfield is built on (basically "Fallout in Space"), and considering the Fallout games (the existing Zenimax IP it's closest to in spirit) have been multiplatform since the PS3/360 gen, and have been huge sellers themselves during their day...

...it's natural to assume that if Starfield is in any way similar to those games then it would have obviously also fallen under Microsoft's own claimed criteria of being a type of game big enough to warrant a multi-platform release, yet will not be released on PlayStation systems at launch. Because that was one of the other things Microsoft mentioned in their statements to the EU: selective Zenimax content that made sense to keep multiplat would remain multiplat. How does a game billed as being Bethesda's biggest deal since Skyrim, that shares lineage with a franchise that has been multi-platform since the mid-2000s, and seen huge sales with mainline entries (among the biggest for the years new entries were released)...suddenly not warranted as a multiplatform release when it was in fact in development for multiple consoles before the acquisition was finalized?

Don't expect pseudo-lawyers on Twitter to actually apply any critical thinking and ask these questions, because that puts their arguments under too much a microscope. There are a lot of ways claims on both sides may have been looked at to come to their conclusions and statements. You gotta look at ALL the angles.



Well, Sony have stated that the revenue they generate from sales of 3P games like COD help enable the production and budgets of games like GOWR, HFW, etc. And there is truth to those claims. So on the one hand, they don't "need" COD for PS to survive as a console brand, that's true.

But if the result of losing games like COD leads to a decrease in overall install base sales that then causes them to lose other 3P games, and thus lose out on too much revenue on the gaming side, they may not have the budgets to keep funding games like a GOWR, and that could be a net loss for the market directly attributable to a Microsoft acquisition strategy.



Again, Sony enjoys that position because they consistently provided a better platform for customers, developers and publishers over their rivals, for multiple generations. That position is a reward of the market itself rewarding them for their efforts. It isn't leverage or revenue they got through buying up other companies.

That's a very distinct factor and it can't be overlooked. The same way some may claim MS being threatened of having this acquisition shut down is a punishment to their market success, it can very easily be argued that trying to chastise Sony for enjoying leverage with 3P publishers in favorable exclusivity deals etc. is a punishment for their success accumulated in the gaming market since the '90s.

If Microsoft retained the success in gaming they had with the 360 and continued to grow it, they would in fact have very similar leverage with such deals and publishers as Sony has. But they didn't, and that was Microsoft's mistake. Their failure. At least acknowledge that much.
Imagine pretending you know more than an involved lawyer in the party.

Fucking hell. Check yourself.
 
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