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PS5 price to increase in select markets
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jhjfss
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Even with the price increase, its still cheaper than the US price.
PC only then? Without nVidia? Or...?
DeepEnigma
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It's still an increase.Even with the price increase, its still cheaper than the US price.
And even with the price increase of the PS5, it remains the same in the US dollar territories.
John Wick
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You should keep politics out of console threads. The US is no better than Russia. Plenty of countries can bear witness to that. Just like Russia have no right in invading Ukraine the US has no right either.
If the US wanted peace they would have pressured Zelenski to negotiate a deal. Instead they are prolonging the war. End result is more civilians are being killed. Rather than seeking solutions the West want it to carry on while giving lip service.
John Wick
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It would take Sony 5 years to make the profit MS does in a year. So who is really over charging? The Xbox division is losing money.
Zathalus
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Do you have a source for this supposed 10$ licensing fee that forced third parties to increase prices?
Salty Popsicle
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You can't negotiate a deal with an aggressor state AFTER they have already annexed large swaths of your territory. Would you want the U.S. to negotiate a deal with China in a hypothetical war scenario AFTER they have already occupied and laid claim to California, Oregon, and Washington? It makes absolutely no sense.
coffinbirth
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Nope, because he made it up. Hilarious thread, really.
John Wick
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Yes because the record inflation just after a massive pandemic happens every console gen.
James Sawyer Ford
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Report them to the FTC then. I'm sure the US Government could use your expertise in these matters to finally close the case against evil Microsoft.
Report Sony to the FTC while you’re at it
I’m not claiming MS is doing anything illegal, but it is undoubtedly anti-consumer
DeepEnigma
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You mean that MS let game makers make games for free, and never collect royalties ever? For the goodness of their hearts? That would be a first, since it has always been traditional for console manufacturers to collect royalties from publishers per game sales.
Zathalus
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There is a difference between regular console royalties (that every console has) and a mythical extra 10$ licensing fee that you made up.
ReBurn
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It was real, but it it wasn't only Microsoft. Sony and Nintendo did platform licensing, too. If the platform holder published the game the $10 didn't apply. But if Activision, EA, the developer, etc published they paid a platform license fee.
Pretty good article from when gaming journalism didn't suck.
The Economics of Game Publishing - IGN
A look at the costs that go into making videogames.
DeepEnigma
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It's based on this. $10 on average was well known in gaming back at that time for the console manufacturer to get per unit sold.
Eurogamer – Cost Breakdown Of A Game
Eurogamer.net posted an article on the cost breakdown of a typical £39.99 videogame showing where all the money goes. The article in question contains 3 pages of text (or 2124 words) to explain thi…
www.theaveragegamer.com
It was real, but it it wasn't only Microsoft. Sony and Nintendo did platform licensing, too. If the platform holder published the game the $10 didn't apply. But if Activision, EA, the developer, etc published they paid a platform license fee.
Pretty good article from when gaming journalism didn't suck.
The Economics of Game Publishing - IGN
A look at the costs that go into making videogames.www.ign.com
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Zathalus
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Yes, regular console royalties. The $60 price increased was pushed by third party publishers and if I recall correctly the excuse given at the time was increased development costs for HD games.It's based on this. $10 on average was well known in gaming back at that time for the console manufacturer to get per unit sold.
Eurogamer – Cost Breakdown Of A Game
Eurogamer.net posted an article on the cost breakdown of a typical £39.99 videogame showing where all the money goes. The article in question contains 3 pages of text (or 2124 words) to explain thi…www.theaveragegamer.com
I don't recall a single source at the time stating that Microsoft royalties were so much higher over the previous gen that is was the reason for the increase.
DeepEnigma
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I never said it was "so much higher," I said it was one of the many reasons and excuses that was tossed around. That's factored into costs of development as well.
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HiFiVideogameMusic
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"You will own nothing and be happy"
coffinbirth
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This misinformation needs to stop.
There was NEVER a $10 flat licensing fee, FULL STOP. It is scaled for production numbers just like it has been since the NES days, sans minimum cart orders. You can dig around for sources and numbers, but you won't find a thing. Anecdotally, I know that Majesco had a $1 licensing fee for a particular title on 360, for reference. The big stink at the time was over title update fees being prohibitively expensive for indie devs....and Konami.
Just think about what you're saying...You believe Microsoft charged Activision, EA, 2K, Take 2 etc. $10 more to publish on 360 and then turned around and charged $10 less for their own games? That would've been suicide.
Zathalus
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Especially when you consider when the 360 launched it was nowhere near being the market leader. Being the cause of a $10 price increase when actively trying its best to get market share would have been a really dumb move.
nominedomine
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Sounds like something Phil Spencer would say to promote Gamepass.
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John Wick
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Your analogy is rubbish. The US and China are more evenly matched. Russia is going to take Ukraine sooner or later. So the end result is the same. The only difference is far more lives will be saved which is the most important part.
00Magnum Gaming
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You have almost 58000 messages. About 10 since i posted. Tell me you have no life, without telling me you have no lifeTell us you have no friends, without telling us you have no friends.
. Go to oomagnum media to see how guys with actual lives live 
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DeepEnigma
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Bro, issa joke.You have almost 58000 messages. About 10 since i posted. Tell me you have no life, without telling me you have no life
Calm your overly sensitive tits.
Salty Popsicle
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"Ukraine is small and should submit to it's larger and more aggressive neighbors". I sincerely hope that is not really your position. Sheesh, and I thought the world was fucked before.
It's a very fortunate thing most people in the 13 colonies didn't have your defeatist mindset back in the late 18th century, otherwise I'd be eating tea and crumpets for breakfast every day.
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R6Rider
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You used 4 emojis in one post. You already lost.You have almost 58000 messages. About 10 since i posted. Tell me you have no life, without telling me you have no life
HiFiVideogameMusic
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Instead you will be eating bugs and synthetic meat. #Winning
00Magnum Gaming
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100% sure it was a slick response to my joke but in the sake of peace its cool bro
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Salty Popsicle
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I have no idea what this means, but ok?
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Halo is Back
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HiFiVideogameMusic
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sachos
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Dude imagine in MS came out saying Series S is 250 and Series X is 450 just to fuck with Sony, technically they can eat the cost right?
phil_t98
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so your praising Microsoft now for loosing money and keeping their console at a competitive price. well done you
ManaByte
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chromatic9
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Gamers keep spending money like it's going out of fashion so why not? I hear people are struggling, cost of living soaring, business going bust yet most gamers have shifted to digital paying crazy amounts for new and older games.
Ratchet Clank Rift Apart is £70 on PSN still, you can get used copies on ebay for ~£20. It's possible to buy it, complete the game and get your money back easily but barely anyone wants save money.
Ratchet Clank Rift Apart is £70 on PSN still, you can get used copies on ebay for ~£20. It's possible to buy it, complete the game and get your money back easily but barely anyone wants save money.
Dolomite
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This is hilarious. If MS do an advertisement about how they're not raising prices then I'm dead.
StreetsofBeige
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And to think Sony's gaming division has been banking record high profits past few years.
- $70 games
- $10 next gen upgrades
- PS Now (full feature set including PC streaming) is now a forced bundle within PS Premium, instead of previously where you can buy PS+ and PS Now separately
- Forcing PS5 gamers to buy Spiderman MM to get Spiderman Remastered. The news Spiderman Remastered would be a separate download soon after was scrapped
- High PC port prices or old games
Add: PS5 consoles increasing in price about 10% in many regions
Anything I miss?
- $70 games
- $10 next gen upgrades
- PS Now (full feature set including PC streaming) is now a forced bundle within PS Premium, instead of previously where you can buy PS+ and PS Now separately
- Forcing PS5 gamers to buy Spiderman MM to get Spiderman Remastered. The news Spiderman Remastered would be a separate download soon after was scrapped
- High PC port prices or old games
Add: PS5 consoles increasing in price about 10% in many regions
Anything I miss?
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Why don't they show the numbers? How much do they earn per quarter?
What's the problem with this?
And what did you want to say with this post?
That Sony is an ordinary capitalist company that, being the market leader in home consoles, takes advantage of its position?
StreetsofBeige
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Apple is super profitable. They don't disclose profits per product line either. All their Macs, iPhones, tablets and watches get their profits bundled into a vague profit line.
So going by that, Apple is unprofitable since they dont want to disclose exact profits per product?
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DaGwaphics
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They could run ads in the effected markets about still only being priced at X.
Imagine if companies marketed like politicians, I can see some of those B&W ads with the heavy voice over talking about Sony's record profits and this price increase.
How much profit did they lose in the last quarter, with a 7% decline in revenue?
fallingdove
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You don’t think chip shortage, supply chain, and global inflation had any impact on on profitability? I imagine they were having to pay a premium for these components in order to produce PS5s with some consistency.
This doesn’t track as some sort of greed related price hike.
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