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[Edgelord79]

Now it seems times are mature to give VR a try later this year, I guess the price will be 399 or 499.

I'll bet it's at least 599.

 

[SLB1904]

Sure, but not sure how that is relevant?

More power... prettier games

 

[kyliethicc]

More power... prettier games

Oh ok, well I was discussing PSVR2 and Quest 2 display technology, but sure.

PS5 + PSVR2 gonna be great.

 

[kyliethicc]

I'll bet it's at least 599.

$499. No way its more than the PS5 itself.

Plus "Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars" still haunts Sony. Jimbo has nightmares.

 

[hlm666]

I hope that’s not the case. The worst thing about the quest 2 is the fresnel lenses and the glare you get from bright white objects against a dark background. It spews light everywhere and would totally defeat the purpose of hdr.

It also makes eye tracked foveated rendering less optimal but it seems to be fresnel /shrug.

 

[SLB1904]

Oh ok, well I was discussing PSVR2 and Quest 2 display technology, but sure.

PS5 + PSVR2 gonna be great.

Lol I thought you were you were comparing with the original. Nvm

 

[DenchDeckard]

Hyped for this, then I watched the horizon video and it’s 1 minute 30 seconds of a talking head and 20 seconds of a tall neck stepping over you with no gameplay. I saw all that with walkers in half life Alyx.

show us some games!

 

[UnNamed]

I don't care about resolution and other fancy things, or even the cables, the only thing I care is the motion tracking which has to be perfect. I suffered a lot from motion sickness with PSVR, less with other devices with a better MT.

 

[nightmare-slain]

might actually tempt me to get a PS5.

 

[Clintizzle]

Do we know if this is compatible with PC?

 

[xrnzaaas]

So 2022 Holidays for the launch? The specs look really cool and it's nice you won't need an additional camera for tracking.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Kinda off top questions but can the older ps4 vr work on ps5

 

[cyberheater]

Do we know if this is compatible with PC?

No we don't but it's using a standard USB C cable so it won't be long before someone figures something out.

 

[SLB1904]

Kinda off top questions but can the older ps4 vr work on ps5

Yes. You need to get a camera adapter from Sony. It's free tho

 

[kuncol02]

$499. No way its more than the PS5 itself.

Plus "Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars" still haunts Sony. Jimbo has nightmares.

With that price it would be 66% more expensive than Quest 2, wired and requiring expensive console to work. I can't see it being successful in that scenario.

 

[Gameplaylover]

I'll bet it's at least 599.

599 = Suicide
I think 399, but max. 499. Depends on how hard they want to push it.

 

[Edgelord79]

599 = Suicide
I think 399, but max. 499. Depends on how hard they want to push it.

We'll see. I think they would sell out at the higher price regardless. Which would make me think why not just have a higher price? If the games will be truly AAA full games then people will buy it.

 

[reksveks]

Interesting article on the meta product roadmap

传Cambria将采用Mini-LED屏，Quest 3将采用Micro-OLED屏 - 映维网资讯

2023年发布Quest 3？

news.nweon.com

Cambria - 2022 more expensive than the quest 2
Quest 3 - 2023

 

[Fredrik]

With that price it would be 66% more expensive than Quest 2, wired and requiring expensive console to work. I can't see it being successful in that scenario.

Depends if they make it connect to a PC, could be an alternative device for the PC crowd too.

If it’s PS5 exclusive it’ll struggle, too small userbase and people who want it might not be able to buy a PS5.

 

[Faded Memory]

I have never tried VR but I think it is cool technology. If it is possible to get one of these I will try it out.

 

[ZehDon]

Dude that's more than nice to have. Unfortunately no wireless, that would have been the icing on the cake.

Not really - improved colours and sub-pixel arrangements are really nice - no arguments there, they're really, really nice. If I had two devices that were otherwise identical, the one with the HDR OLED would obviously win. But, in devices with other differences, they're kind of just that: really nice. It's a +1 or +2 to PSVR2, not a +3000. And, as I've posted, I don't consider any trade off in clarity worth it at these resolutions, so the FOV increase is basically a whatever to me. And yeah, I really do wish it was wireless, too. PS5 powered wireless VR? Sign me up!

You come across a little butt hurt about PSVR2 specs being vastly superior (IN MY OPINION) to your favorite headset, tbh. What do you care people think these specs are way better than Quest 2's? It's subjective. Let it go.

Lol, so, we've gone from "significant step up" to "vastly superior" in the space of one page. Do you think the XSX is "vastly superior" to the PS5 with its minimal TFLOPs advantage, too? You need to check your hyperbole, friend. Otherwise, if this trend continues, I look forward to tomorrow where we'll be at "human-civilisation altering". And asking why some one cares about specs on an enthusiast gaming forum - one that had a 4000 page thread on the next gen console specs - is pretty silly.

With that price it would be 66% more expensive than Quest 2, wired and requiring expensive console to work. I can't see it being successful in that scenario.

They're kind of two different markets. Most PS5 owners won't own an advanced gaming PC you need for Quest 2 to run advanced PC VR games. And PS5 outclasses the Quest 2's on-board chipset by an order of magnitude. That makes PSVR2 pretty attractive, even at USD$499.00. It's an enthusiast bit of kit, agreed, but I'd expect it to do at least as well as the original PSVR. If Sony can turn out some good exclusives - or find a way to get titles like Half-Life: Alyx onto the console - I can see them doing some very good business.

 

[FunkMiller]

Wireless at the risk of lag… yea no thanks

Everyone who thinks this is a thing needs to try a Quest 2 with Air link and a dedicated router. If there is any lag, I have never noticed it in all the hours I’ve been playing games.

The PSVR2 sounds good, but wired Is a huge step back from wireless PCVR. Huge. An OLED screen is nice, as is higher resolution, but neither make up for being back to having a cable hanging off you. It’s very immersion breaking.

 

[kuncol02]

Depends if they make it connect to a PC, could be an alternative device for the PC crowd too.

If it’s PS5 exclusive it’ll struggle, too small userbase and people who want it might not be able to buy a PS5.

It's not two times better than Quest 2 and is wired which makes it even worse proposition. 399$ is max it will cost. Maybe even less.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Slightly higher res per eye than the Quest 2. The Quest 2 is 1832x1920 per eye. Same refresh rate. Oculus has the same type of tracking, etc. We don't know yet if the PSVR2 will support hand tracking or pass through, but the hardware can do it; it's all software from that point.

Other diff quest 2 doesnt have eye tacking and headset feedback

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[Orta]

Don't give a shit about the PS5 but this I really want to experience. Particularly if it gets a fully fledged AAA Astrobot sequel.

That's going to be the most expensive game I'll ever buy

 

[Bramble]

Lol, so, we've gone from "significant step up" to "vastly superior" in the space of one page. Do you think the XSX is "vastly superior" to the PS5 with its minimal TFLOPs advantage, too? You need to check your hyperbole, friend. Otherwise, if this trend continues, I look forward to tomorrow where we'll be at "human-civilisation altering". And asking why some one cares about specs on an enthusiast gaming forum - one that had a 4000 page thread on the next gen console specs - is pretty silly.

No I don't, because I listened to Cerny, in contrary to a lot of other people: it's dangerous to rely on teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance and CU count should be avoided aswell. PS5 has a higher pixel fill rate, higher clocks, better RAM configuration, less IO bottlenecks, much faster storage. So if any, I'd say the PS5 is vastly superior, not to mention stuff like Wifi 6 and the (IMO) better controller.

A VR headset is essentially a display. 4K, HDR OLED and 110 degrees FOV is factually better than sub 4K, SDR, LCD and 90 degrees FOV. You can theoretically play the same game running on a PS5 on both PSVR2 and Quest 2 and PSVR2 should look and play better better 100% of the times. Just like a flagship OLED TV looks better 100% of the times vs. a cheaper LCD display with no local dimming.

I'm sorry but it is what it is.

 

[mejin]

Amazing visuals for Horizon.

Didn't get VR before, but I'm interested now.

 

[Panajev2001a]

TES titles would be perfect for PSVR2, Skyrim was awesome on PS4 Pro, but alas ….

 

[Rudius]

Is 110 degrees industry leading? I remember the field of view bothering me a bit on the original PSVR.

Not industry leading, but more than most. Quest 2 is about 90 degrees, for example.

 

[RoadHazard]

How would wireless even work when you have to transmit 4k 120 fps data in HDR over bluetooth without lag? I cant even get controllers to work on bluetooth on PC. What are other PC VR manufacturers using to stream this much data without wires?

WiFi, not Bluetooth, obviously.

 

[Bojanglez]

With Sony opening the doors to PC releases. I'm almost certain PSVR2 will be natively compatible with the PC.

Yeah it makes so much sense that it would be crazy for it not to happen at this point

• Increases hardware sales for PSVR2
• Increases Dev support/optimisation for PSVR2 hardware
• Eases pathway for Indy studios to bring the game to PS5
• Allows Sony to release their first party PSVR2 games on PC (maybe a timed delay)
• Could open up PSVR (OG) ports to PC

Now if I was Sony I'd be partnering to l with Valve to have the hardware fully SteamVR compliant and a promise that first party titles will be coming to PC on Steam with SteamVR support.... In exchange for a Half Life Alex port to PSVR2

 

[Rudius]

lol yes, $399 with nothing. $499 with controllers.

There will be no option without controllers, thankfully!

 

[sendit]

lol yes, $399 with nothing. $499 with controllers.

Stupid idea….this would effectively break the user experience and market penetration. Let’s hope this doesn’t happen.

 

[Rudius]

That is how they did with Vita Remote Play except when you moved from place to place the quality got big hits.

That is why I don’t think that will work with PSVR2.

I'm using remote play frequently with my PS5 and a phone + usbc telescopic controller. Even with the (better) psplay app, at highest settings, direct connection and Wi-Fi 6 I can still see the compression artifacts, specially in grass fields or the sky. And that in a small screen.

 

[cyberheater]

Why are folks stating pricing without controllers. There is will be no SKU that is controller less.

 

[reksveks]

Why are folks stating pricing without controllers. There is will be no SKU that is controller less.

I wouldnt be surprised if there isn't

 

[kyliethicc]

lol yes, $399 with nothing. $499 with controllers.

I wouldnt be surprised if there isn't

The PSVR2 spec leaks, that turned out to be 100% accurate, say the controllers are included in the box with every headset.

 

[reksveks]

The PSVR2 spec leaks, that turned out to be 100% accurate, say the controllers are included in the box with every headset.

Link?

Might have missed that part of the leak.

 

[Trunim]

I hope it will have better IPD adjustments than the Quest 2...

 

[Tams]

the inside out tracking is enough even in the worst VR kits to perfectly track position/movement at all times

It may seem that way, but it's not. Having sensors in the controllers too allows them to be much more accurate and, yes, track the controllers when they go out of the range of the other sensors. It also allows for more precision and potential for other uses of the controllers (perhaps sans the HMD) in the future.

More expensive to produce? Sure, but I doubt they actually add that much to the BoM.

 

[Darius87]

Nothing you've written here addresses my post. We don't know if PSVR2 has eye-tracked foveated rendering, but it's such a massive feature that I doubt Sony wouldn't be talking about it if they had it. We'll wait and see, but as it stands right now, they don't claim to have it.

You're just repeating yourself. Post a link to the article or the time stamped video where a representative of Sony says: "we have eye-tracked foveated rendering for PSVR2". If there isn't one, then it's speculation until they confirm it.

poeple like you are so weird to me after all GE patents back way ago i already knew PSVR2 has foveated rendering it literally explains how it works but you still don't believe here you go:


did sony should send you email saying they have foveated rendering for you to believe it?

so the FOV increase is basically a whatever to me. And yeah

The visual field of the human eye spans approximately 120 degrees of arc. so 20 degrees increase over Quest 2 is whatever to you? just 10 shy of real humans sight.
are you some king of herbivore? i just don't get it.

Lol, so, we've gone from "significant step up" to "vastly superior" in the space of one page.

and you talkied how PSVR2 isn't significant to sony didn't have mic drop, like wtf get life man or horse whatever you are weirdo.

 

[skit_data]

The price will be a deciding factor in it’s success.
Maybe they’ll price it at $399 or less?
They do make a profit on the Standard Edition PS5 already, maybe instead they use that leverage to subsidize the PSVR2?

That would be a really convincing push for widely adopted VR.

 

[cyberheater]

I hope it will have better IPD adjustments than the Quest 2...

If they have eye tracking then it should be automatic.

 

[kyliethicc]

Link?

Might have missed that part of the leak.

"The new report does go onto say that the VR controllers will feature capacitive touch sensors to detect how far away fingers are. Additionally, the VR controllers will supposedly be packed with every headset, so no having to swap between various input devices."

PlayStation VR 2 Leak Lists Rumoured Specs & AAA Game Focus - GMW3

New rumors regarding the PSVR2 abound.

www.vrfocus.com

This entire leak has been proven to be accurate so far. 4K HDR OLED, fresnel lenses, eye tracking, foveated rendering, capacitive finger sensors, etc. Even the exact resolution of 2000 x 2040 per eye. (Which seems near impossible to just guess such a specific yet unique resolution.)

The source was apparently a VR developer briefing by Sony. Hence why they'd mention that every PSVR2 user will have the new Sense controllers. Guarantees better dev support. Same with how the Quest 2 ships with the controllers, and PS5 comes with DualSense, etc.

 

[Rudius]

Are there no pictures of the headset, or am I missing something? I mean, PSVR2 was already announced last year, so it’s kind of weird if there are still no pictures of the headset itself.

And why does Horizon VR look like a PS4 game? I’d hoped that foveated rendering would save enough performance that next gen VR games can look just as good as regular next gen games.

A PS4 game is 1080p30, this is 4K, 60 or 90fps. And I think it looks better.

 

[Fredrik]

TES titles would be perfect for PSVR2, Skyrim was awesome on PS4 Pro, but alas ….

Do you have a PC? Skyrim VR is okay out of the box but absolutely fantastic if you get HIGGS and VRIK mod so you have your character’s body,arms,hands inside the world with physics and all. Needs to be experienced.


Unless MS is choking the VR out of Bethesda we could eventually see Starfield on PC VR as well.

 

[SpokkX]

Was really hoping they'd figure out a way to ditch the cable.

Yep while the rest of the specs are nice

… with a cable this is doa for a LOT of people, including me

Wireless vr is they only way forward

 

[reksveks]

"The new report does go onto say that the VR controllers will feature capacitive touch sensors to detect how far away fingers are. Additionally, the VR controllers will supposedly be packed with every headset, so no having to swap between various input devices."

PlayStation VR 2 Leak Lists Rumoured Specs & AAA Game Focus - GMW3

New rumors regarding the PSVR2 abound.

www.vrfocus.com

This entire leak has been proven to be accurate so far. 4K HDR OLED, fresnel lenses, eye tracking, foveated rendering, capacitive finger sensors, etc. Even the exact resolution of 2000 x 2040 per eye. (Which seems near impossible to just guess such a specific yet unique resolution.)

Cool, so yeah okay think that it will be bundled in then the only question is just the price.

 

[ZehDon]

No I don't, because I listened to Cerny, in contrary to a lot of other people: it's dangerous to rely on teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance and CU count should be avoided aswell. PS5 has a higher pixel fill rate, higher clocks, better RAM configuration, less IO bottlenecks, much faster storage. So if any, I'd say the PS5 is vastly superior, not to mention stuff like Wifi 6 and the (IMO) better controller.

Well, at least your admitting your laughable position, I guess. This will be my last reply for obvious reasons.

A VR headset is essentially a display. 4K, HDR OLED and 110 degrees FOV is factually better than sub 4K, SDR, LCD and 90 degrees FOV. You can theoretically play the same game running on a PS5 on both PSVR2 and Quest 2 and PSVR2 should look and play better better 100% of the times. Just like a flagship OLED TV looks better 100% of the times vs. a cheaper LCD display with no local dimming.

I'm sorry but it is what it is.

Except for radian clarity, owing to the lower PPR. As I've explained above, this is the aspect of a VR HMD I consider the second most important, right after tracking. Having nicer colours is nice, no arguments there - I've said this twice already - but I take zero concessions in clarity. Zero. We're not at a point yet where we have clarity to spare. Super-sampling to lower PPRs is viable, but on a fixed machine like a PS5, you'll be making heavy concessions graphically to push resolutions higher than 4k at 120hz in stereoscopic 3D. Once we're seeing resolutions that eliminate aliasing, I'm happy to make marginal trade offs for deeper blacks and more vibrant colours. But, we're not there yet on any consumer VR HMD. Quest 2 has a small advantage in clarity - we're talking less than 10% radian clarity - but at this stage, that difference is noticeable.
The PSVR was a great piece of kit, but it was ultimately pretty blurry. Skyrim on base PS4 was basically unplayable, for example. Once you tasted PCVR, it was impossible to go back. PSVR2 is a full generation ahead of that, and it'll feel amazing - no question. That's factual. But, I'd have preferred if Sony were ahead of the game, or at least offered the thing wirelessly and PC compatible. PSVR2 looks great, but it's not a mic drop - its just on par with the current PCVR space.