Support NeoGAF

[itsjustJEFF]

When people start arguing about this kind of stuff you some are kicked in the balls

shit looks glorious!

I actually don't think anyone is arguing that it looks glorious and next gen... what they're arguing is that it's not close to the reveal trailer. The reason this thread is still going is there's a counter argument stating that it does and its just lighting. Then there's another fringe group saying it looks like shit.

Game looks really damn good... but it's not touching that reveal trailer. This is similar to the guys saying "the Killzone 2 gameplay looks really good and got close to the reveal trailer..." Yes, it looks good. NO! It did not get close.

 

[saintjules]

I think we're definitely getting there, its just going to take some time. Ppl can talk about "different lighting" all they want, but when you look at the image on the right there is just something more... it looks way more real. The image on the left just looks like a game. I personally don't care much about "realistic" art direction, but I can't wait till we get to the image on the right. I think that opens up the possibility for even more crazy art styles/directions.

Yeah I agree. This generation I feel will be more about enhancing graphical fidelity and making things more immersive and fulfilling. Having more things on screen at once, etc.

Maybe by the end of the generation we have something like that UE5 demo from last year in some capacity.

 

[kbear]

I actually don't think anyone is arguing that it looks glorious and next gen... what they're arguing is that it's not close to the reveal trailer. The reason this thread is still going is there's a counter argument stating that it goes and its just lighting. Then there's another fringe group saying it looks like shit.

Game looks really damn good... but it's not touching that reveal trailer. This is similar to the guys saying "the Killzone 2 gameplay looks really good and got close to the reveal trailer..." Yes, it looks good. NO! It did not get close.

Everything but her face inches away from the viewer was matched or exceeded in the new trailer. Those visual aspects (environment, NPCs, lighting, fog/smoke, the world overall) were a big step above everything else we had seen as well, and the new trailer either equaled or improved upon them.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Everything but her face inches away from the viewer was matched or exceeded in the new trailer. Those visual aspects (environment, NPCs, lighting, fog/smoke, the world overall) were a big step above everything else we had seen as well, and the new trailer either equaled or improved upon them.

There is lies where games are lacking.. it's not environments, look at Forza, look at all these other worlds other games have. Where games lack today is where that first trailer DELIVERED, yo it Smart Delivered LOL The FACE looked real, the animations made it look real. You could see the crazy in her face, in her eyes. We may get the animation, we may get the fidelity, we may get the emotion this gen... but not all of those at the same time.

 

[kbear]

There is lies where games are lacking.. it's not environments, look at Forza, look at all these other worlds other games have. Where games lack today is where that first trailer DELIVERED, yo it Smart Delivered LOL The FACE looked real, the animations made it look real. You could see the crazy in her face, in her eyes. We may get the animation, we may get the fidelity, we may get the emotion this gen... but not all of those at the same time.

I mean, you’re not playing a face simulator.

The non-face parts of the first trailer were absolutely insane as well and the new trailer delivered on them.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Next gen games are coming.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

I mean, you’re not playing a face simulator.

The non-face parts of the first trailer were absolutely insane as well and the new trailer delivered on them.

Nope... everyone was losing their SHIT when the trailer released because of her face and how her emotions and animation looked.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

What look next gen about it?
Character models? No. Geometry? No. Effects like the fire? No. Physics? No advanced physics on display.

Fire looked good no?

 

[Melchiah]

So the answer to my question is “no”, you can’t link me a non-face segment that looks better than those new clips.

This is what you said:



Sounded pretty confident. I just asked what parts you were referring to.

I answered wth the quote, as you clearly claimed no-one else said the same. It isn't on the same level overall.

You're oddly invested in this, which makes me wonder why you feel the need to defend this particular game's "honor" to such an extent. After all, I've said a couple of times that it looks good, just not as good as the reveal. Somehow that doesn't seem to be satisfactory enough.

 

[kbear]

I answered wth the quote, as you clearly claimed no-one else said the same. It isn't on the same level overall.

You're oddly invested in this, which makes me wonder why you feel the need to defend this particular game's "honor" to such an extent. After all, I've said a couple of times that it looks good, just not as good as the reveal. Somehow that doesn't seem to be satisfactory enough.

Neither of you pointed to any specifics. The guy said it’s more “gamey”.

Is it really that difficult to find something in the first trailer that tops those new clips? You made the claim.

 

[sircaw]

i think it looks quite good, are you actually controlling the character there?

 

[93xfan]

Should see how Nathan Drake looks in UC4 gameplay vs cutscenes.

Did you think her chanting in the original was gameplay?

 

[sankt-Antonio]

Looks great and I wished I could enjoy it on PS5, but man where we served a different level of gfx when first announced.

 

[Melchiah]

Neither of you pointed to any specifics. The guy said it’s more “gamey”.

Is it really that difficult to find something in the first trailer that tops those new clips? You made the claim.

What I said was similar to this:

I actually don't think anyone is arguing that it looks glorious and next gen... what they're arguing is that it's not close to the reveal trailer. The reason this thread is still going is there's a counter argument stating that it does and its just lighting. Then there's another fringe group saying it looks like shit.

Game looks really damn good... but it's not touching that reveal trailer. This is similar to the guys saying "the Killzone 2 gameplay looks really good and got close to the reveal trailer..." Yes, it looks good. NO! It did not get close.

I don't see why I or anyone should pick a certain point for you to nitpick, when it should be obvious to see throughout the video. The KZ2 reference works here, as both had lifelike reveals that were followed by a more gamey reality. Both look good in actual gameplay, but not the same as they initially did.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

i think it looks quite good, are you actually controlling the character there?

It seems to blend between controlling and scripted segments. Kinda like what some Sony 1st party do in more cinematic segments.

 

[M16]

the best gaming graphics ive ever seen

 

[93xfan]

I guess you and others in the thread are easily impressed and have the memory of a goldfish cause the reveal trailer actually looked next gen and this is not close to it.

So you’re not even sticking to your original argument?

Tell us what last gen game equaled these graphics. Feel free to include screenshots.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Why do I almost cry when she says "I know You"?

 

[Bergoglio]

This is the most impressive stuff I ever, ever seen in video gaming.

 

[hyperbertha]

Good looking for sure. Perhaps one of the most impressive environments to date. But senua's model is nowhere near the quality of the original reveal. Knew it was too good to be true.

 

[Larlight]

Looks really good although it's definitely been downgraded. Knew that was going to be the case but some people didn't want to believe it.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

Imo the difference is the same as it was with the Last of Us II reveal. The animation in the final game just never matched, lightning character geometry (esp. NPC) etc. also never reached the quality of the reveal trailer.

Its the same story here, the scope, size of the rendered world, detailed skulls on the ground, fog + light sources, animation in the reveal trailer...etc. far.. far outshine what is shown in the new trailer. Close up not even counting.

It needs calling out so that the industry stops with this practice. I rather have them be honest, see Halo.

 

[kbear]

What I said was similar to this:



I don't see why I or anyone should pick a certain point for you to nitpick, when it should be obvious to see throughout the video. The KZ2 reference works here, as both had lifelike reveals that were followed by a more gamey reality. Both look good in actual gameplay, but not the same as they initially did.

Nah, this isn’t nitpicking. This is what you said in response to my point about how everything besides her face matches or exceeds the original trailer:

I don't see anything there that matches, let alone excees the initial reveal.

You were unable to point to anything that backed up your claim, primarily because there isn’t anything to back up your claim. You’ve resorted to quoting other people making the same vague claims.

 

[JoeBudden]

Looks insane. Day one.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Is it really bad for us to be able to admit that her face doesn’t match the initial trailer, but for me the walking bits and world look as good. Overall it’s mindblowingly good looking and better than anything seen this gen that is a real game.

 

[hyperbertha]

Imo the difference is the same as it was with the Last of Us II reveal. The animation in the final game just never matched, lightning character geometry (esp. NPC) etc. also never reached the quality of the reveal trailer.

Its the same story here, the scope, size of the rendered world, detailed skulls on the ground, fog + light sources, animation in the reveal trailer...etc. far.. far outshine what is shown in the new trailer. Close up not even counting.

It needs calling out so that the industry stops with this practice. I rather have them be honest, see Halo.

Yet 99 percent here will never learn. They'll see the next exclusive with cg quality trailer and expect the same in actual gameplay. This is getting tired.

 

[kbear]

If it’s “obvious to see throughout the video” that even footage of not her face looks better than the new footage, it should be really easy to point out an example or two, right?

 

[TBiddy]

Is it really bad for us to be able to admit that her face doesn’t match the initial trailer, but for me the walking bits and world look as good. Overall it’s mindblowingly good looking and better than anything seen this gen that is a real game.

Agreed. It's obvious that the reveal trailer was 'in-engine' in lack of better terms, while a lot of this trailer is real-time gameplay footage. Which is damn impressive.

 

[kbear]

Is it really bad for us to be able to admit that her face doesn’t match the initial trailer, but for me the walking bits and world look as good. Overall it’s mindblowingly good looking and better than anything seen this gen that is a real game.

Agreed, I’m surprised at how even admitting that is this big contentious thing. Yeah, her face looks downgraded. Everything besides her face doesn’t. Comparing both trailers proves that to be true.

 

[Melchiah]

Nah, this isn’t nitpicking. This is what you said in response to my point about how everything besides her face matches or exceeds the original trailer:



You were unable to point to anything that backed up your claim, primarily because there isn’t anything to back up your claim. You’ve resorted to quoting other people making the same vague claims.

I don't see why I should point them out, when it should be obvious to see, as others have stated.

Can you point particular scenes from both where it exceeds the first one? After all, it was you who made the claim that it actually looks better, which is as fringe claim as saying it looks like shit.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

If it’s “obvious to see throughout the video” that even footage of not her face looks better than the new footage, it should be really easy to point out an example or two, right?

Just watch booth trailers back to back, there is no need to point out any of this.
One could be released as a CG short film on Netflix, the other is a trailer for a game.

 

[kbear]

I don't see why I should point them out, when it should be obvious to see, as others have stated.

Can you point particular scenes from both where it exceeds the first one? After all, it was you who made the claim that it actually looks better, which is as fringe claim as saying it looks like shit.

I’ve already posted clips. If it’s so obvious, it should be really easy to point out an example or two from non-face segments from the first trailer that look better than the new trailer. How hard could it be if that’s obvious, right? You could’ve posted it a hundred times by now with the time spent replying in this silly back & forth.

 

[GymWolf]

Imo the Spiderman 2 trailer get wrecked by the trailer of senua 2.

i know, open world vs small, cinematic game, but still...

nah, Order was garbage outside of its graphics.

At the bare minimum you know Hellblade II will have great writing and atmosphere.

Atmosphere was ace in the order, especially the horror sections, story and charas were trash tho.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Nope... everyone was losing their SHIT when the trailer released because of her face and how her emotions and animation looked.

Because her face was one of the primary focuses of the non-interactive cutscene showed. This, however, showcased scripted, player controllable gameplay.

Without getting into the small stuff, there are clearly scenes from this trailer that exceed the first, and then there are aspects that don't appear to match the first, but there hasn't been any actual downgrade to speak of that anyone has been able to convincingly point out. It's an entirely different scene with an entirely different form of lighting. There are many parts of this footage that showcase the quality of the actual character model is still present from the reveal footage, but now you're seeing that model in gameplay interactivity with what appears to be some pretty nice motion blur and whatever other techniques they're using.

You see how amazing her character model is down to cloth and materials and animation when she falls to the ground after they light that fire trap. You again see obvious signs of the quality as she makes it to her destination. People are kidding themselves with trying to downplay how good this looks for actual interactive gameplay. It looked amazing folks.

 

[Melchiah]

Just watch booth trailers back to back, there is no need to point out any of this.
One could be released as a CG short film on Netflix, the other is a trailer for a game.

This. It's tiresome to go in circles. It's beyond me how anyone couldn't see the difference.

I’ve already posted clips. If it’s so obvious, it should be really easy to point out an example or two from non-face segments from the first trailer that look better than the new trailer. How hard could it be if that’s obvious, right? You could’ve posted it a hundred times by now with the time spent replying in this silly back & forth.

See above. Posting the same GIF again doesn't solve anything, nor support your claim that the gameplay trailer looks better than the "representative" teaser.

 

[oldergamer]

It seems to blend between controlling and scripted segments. Kinda like what some Sony 1st party do in more cinematic segments.

Its exactly the same as sony 1st part cinematic segments. That is it in a nut shell. I don't know why certain people are going on about " gameplay" when that is the norm for stuff like this. It just reminds me of all the people complaining about quick time events on Ryse when that launched, meanwhile it was already used on so many games, even sony PS3 titles! Worse was Ryse didn't have quick time events.

 

[kbear]

See above. Posting the same GIF again doesn't solve anything, nor support your claim that the gameplay trailer looks better than the "representative" teaser.

Again, my claim was everything beside her face. No one has been able to refute it. Not one example.

 

[Larlight]

My issue is with almost every MS title, this game won't be out for a while. And when the next reveal happens, it will be downgraded even further. Look at Halo Infinite for example.

 

[Melchiah]

Again, my claim was everything beside her face. No one has been able to refute it. Not one example.

So, it should be easy for you to do this:

Can you point particular scenes from both where it exceeds the first one? After all, it was you who made the claim that it actually looks better, which is as fringe claim as saying it looks like shit.

You make an absurd claim, you back it up, or we're done here.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Should see how Nathan Drake looks in UC4 gameplay vs cutscenes.

Did you think her chanting in the original was gameplay?

It looks like the current one didnt have extensive facial capture...but most of the enviornments still look similar...this was a vertical slice so i think the face will get noticeably better. TLOUII facial animations were close af to the reveal trailer...I think ninja theory will hit 70% of that.

 

[Concern]

I didn't even know there was a new Spider-Man 2 trailer. I have yet to see a thread for it, meanwhile this has been pretty much top of the first page thanks to trolls posting lame bait in here lol.

Looks great but I want to see the combat asap.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Agreed, I’m surprised at how even admitting that is this big contentious thing. Yeah, her face looks downgraded. Everything besides her face doesn’t. Comparing both trailers proves that to be true.

Yup, some noticeable downgrade on the face resolution and texture quality / detail but it still looks incredible and the whole world etc looks flipping insane.

My issue is with almost every MS title, this game won't be out for a while. And when the next reveal happens, it will be downgraded even further. Look at Halo Infinite for example.

I don’t believe this for a second, you can actually see the bits where they can brush up animation blending for launch and there’s even some texture pop in when it panned around her face as she entered the cave. You see it on what would be her right side of her face near her eye.
I think it will look even more polished for launch.

 

[Elog]

Looks great. Not sold on the encounter as such, the animations and how characters interact with the environment though.

 

[kbear]

So, it should be easy for you to do this:


You make an absurd claim, you back it up, or we're done here.

I’ve already pointed to clips. You haven’t provided a single example to back up your claim. What part besides her face looks better than that gif or the other ones in the original trailer? It’s a simple question.

 

[T0minator]

More than the entirety of MGS 2.

I get that's your attempt at humor, but obviously completely wrong, That Hellblade 2 gameplay demo had some of the most limited gameplay I've ever seen from a gameplay demo.

It's definitely not they type of game most Xbox fans would invest time into. It's pretty and pretty much on rails with limited gameplay mechanics. The graphics are impressive no doubt about it but very limited on gameplay. For those comparing it to Horizon Forbidden West... They're not even in the same league in gameplay and mechanics.

 

[Sosokrates]

My issue is with almost every MS title, this game won't be out for a while. And when the next reveal happens, it will be downgraded even further. Look at Halo Infinite for example.

You talk like this is an exclusive Microsoft problem.
Its the same with other big games, forbidden west had several downgrades from its initial ps5 event trailer.

 

[oldergamer]

This. It's tiresome to go in circles. It's beyond me how anyone couldn't see the difference.



See above. Posting the same GIF again doesn't solve anything, nor support your claim that the gameplay trailer looks better than the "representative" teaser.

I think you are wrong. the new trailer looks much better. It shows much more, and not only during a brightly lit day. It's not a bunch of shorter clips or ultra closeup on a characters face. its at night, with limited lightsources. We're not looking at ultra far environment shots. Its the first continuous scene we have seen of the game. That alone makes it look better imo.

 

[PropellerEar]

Looks really good!
Only annoyance was choppy animations and when they are running in more than ankle deep water there is no sloshing water sounds.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I thought it looked fantastic. I'm not a Microsoft gamer (out of having limited funds and choices when I was younger and out of tradition now) but everything looked solid to me. It was a very fluid trailer, honestly, my old ass couldn't tell when the gameplay started and ended, but that isn't a low level trolling attempt, I think it's a testament to the kind of cinematic game they're aiming for. Thinking of giving the first one a go so I can wistfully wish I could play the second one in the future. Cheers!

 

[Sosokrates]

I get that's your attempt at humor, but obviously completely wrong, That Hellblade 2 gameplay demo had some of the most limited gameplay I've ever seen from a gameplay demo.

It's definitely not they type of game most Xbox fans would invest time into. It's pretty and pretty much on rails with limited gameplay mechanics. The graphics are impressive no doubt about it but very limited on gameplay. For those comparing it to Horizon Forbidden West... They're not even in the same league in gameplay and mechanics.

Then dont play it....

You come into a thread for a game you dont like just to shit on it.

I mean there nothing wrong with stating if a game falls short of expectation or is uncompetitive, but that is not the case here. Quite the opposite in fact, its the best looking next gen exclusive by far.

Also what are "xbox fans" you are aware that xbox now has an installbase of billions over cloud, PC and console...