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[arvfab]

Hope it's fake. Such services are the ruin of gaming.

It's also clear that it's not something Playstation gamers actually want, as PSNow subscription numbers show.

 

[reksveks]

Yep, it's pure clickbait from him. I for one, am shocked.

The description does not match his gatcha sentence.

Technically internally it could be pitched as a competitor and Sony could just be incorrect in their thinking about where consumers are finding the value in GP

 

[ReBurn]

Majority of Sony first-party games offer no multiplayer. Why pay $20/month for a 10-20 hour singleplayer experience when it can be purchased outright for $70?

People wouldn't pay $20 per month for one 10-20 hour game. They would pay $20 per month for access to a collection of 10-20 hour games. They could play 10 games for $20 instead of $70 to play one game.

 

[Edgelord79]

Unless it offers first party games on release, it will be a hard sell to me.

Might be attractive to those who only have a playstation though for sure.

 

[kingpotato]

Really interesting that so many people are so hung up on Gamepass that they can't see this for what it is. A common sense consolidation of services that customers have been asking about for YEARS. The confusion about separate premium services predates Gamepass and I would bet my avatar that many people have already suggested combining the two in this very forum well before Gamepass was a twinkle in Phil Spencer's eye.

 

[ReBurn]

Hope it's fake. Such services are the ruin of gaming.

It's also clear that it's not something Playstation gamers actually want, as PSNow subscription numbers show.

People don't subscribe to PS Now because it only has games they already played.

 

[Pantz]

Interested to see how they handle the classic games. Hopefully not like how Nintendo is doing it.

An easy way to play Crisis Core would be nice.

 

[reksveks]

Doesn't PS+ already have more than double the subscribers of Gamepass?

Also doesn't PS Now have like 7x as many titles?

I don't really see the logic that it's a failure if it isn't exactly what the other service offers.

Full disclosure:
I subscribe to both ps+ and Gamepass ultimate. And I have subscribed to PS now in the past.

PS+ is 2:! to GP and GP is roughly 5:1 to PS Now

I need to find the site but xbox is showing 433 games on console, 389 games on pc, i think it's about 450 games in total.

 

[ManaByte]

Hopefully not like how Nintendo is doing it.

It would take a faceplant of epic proportions to be that bad.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Haha good about time.

I can def Sony fanboys who hate gamepass just to hate Xbox are gonna come in here saying Sonya offering is a lot better than Xbox.

Man, I am all for it. Hopefully it'll offer first party on release day, I'll be playing bloodborne 2 on Spartacus.

 

[Nyxir]

BUT HOW SUSTAINABLE IS IT GOING TO BE?!

 

[THE DUCK]

Unless it offers first party games on release, it will be a hard sell to me.

Might be attractive to those who only have a playstation though for sure.

It's dead in the water with AAA day and date, unless they do something like 3 months or 6 months after release guaranteed. It's certainly no gamepass competitor without that part.

 

[arvfab]

People don't subscribe to PS Now because it only has games they already played.

Nah, it's because you don't own shit.

 

[Fredrik]

This is what I want!
But they need to have day 1 first party games or it won’t compete for real.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[isoRhythm]

Sony has sure been following MS' trends lately. People criticized MS for putting games on PC, then sony does the same. Then Sony tries to avoid Cross-Play, but then does the same. Then people say GamePass isn't profitable/sustainable, then sony does the same thing lol.

Looks like MS' approach was right. Soon exclusives will matter less and less too.

People criticized MS for NOT putting games on PC. Did you completely miss the post GFWL days??

 

[THE DUCK]

Hope it's fake. Such services are the ruin of gaming.

It's also clear that it's not something Playstation gamers actually want, as PSNow subscription numbers show.

What? That makes no sense, tons ps playstation owners want a sub service with the aaa included, the lack of having them day and date is the whole reason ps now fails.

 

[Topher]

Well, at least Sony isn't totally ignoring its past game library any longer. Hopefully improving PS Now will improve the streaming service as well.

Edit: is it just me or is the forum really moving slow right now? Seems like it is taking some time for posts to appear.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Technically internally it could be pitched as a competitor and Sony could just be incorrect in their thinking about where consumers are finding the value in GP

Everything is competition in the industry with each other. PSNow was out since 2014 when they bought Gaikai and the like, they are always "competing" with each other. So it's just there to sensationalize... such as it is in this very thread.

 

[Edgelord79]

It's dead in the water with AAA day and date, unless they do something like 3 months or 6 months after release guaranteed. It's certainly no gamepass competitor without that part.

Maybe. Hard to know what it entails or how much it is until they give us more information. I'm hopefully but not holding my breath.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I just hope this includes PC as well so I can play the definitive versions of Sony’s games

 

[reforen]

wait Gamepass is killing the video game industry, so Spartacus will help gamepass to take on the gaming industry?

 

[DragonNCM]

wonder how much tier 3 would cost

Only arm & leg ?

 

[Rob_27]

I dont want to stream, sort it Sony.

 

[DaGwaphics]

PS Now is literally the same thing this is going to be.

Sounds like all they're really doing is a rebranding in my opinion. Because most people see the Now logo and instantly tune it out.

They might work on improving the content some as well. PS Now became too known as a way to play games that were a gen back (PS3) and was too synonymous with streaming, sounds like they are trying to reposition it as something closer to GP: a rental service with streaming as an option. They've already been adding some similar content to GP with older 3rd party additions, etc..

 

[Tg89]

Meh, hope it's a different structure. Gamepass is great value for the money but I fear if both Sony/Microsoft go the same model we'll get less blockbuster level games. These services survive best by having a large quantity of diverse content to keep a large demographic subscribed. There's a reason Netflix doesn't have the same top end level content as an HBO or a big theatre release.

There's also inherently going to be a lot of redundant content between the two, and suddenly instead of getting 100 unique games for $15 you're getting 110 unique games for $40. Same thing that happened to Netflix style services.

 

[Umbasaborne]

I just want to play native ps3 games

 

[reksveks]

I wish we had ARPU for the services.

Do we think we will still get the stupid deals for PS+? I am just trying to figure out if the new tier will grab more than the 4m users on PS Now, pretty sure that it will.

Everything is competition in the industry with each other. PSNow was out since 2014 when they bought Gaikai and the like, they are always "competing" with each other. So it's just there to sensationalize... such as it is in this very thread.

So if it's being pitched in competition with Gamepass, is the headline factually wrong?

 

[Flutta]

Both Sony and MS can shove their sub services deep in their corpo A$$E$.
The gaming industry is getting worse by the day. From normalizing broken games during release, greedy monetization schemes, to wanting to remove any type of ownership. All of this is thanks to YOU lazy, smug corpo worshiping gamers out there for bending over to your lord and saviour Phil ”I’m a true gamer” Jimbo.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So if it's being pitched in competition with Gamepass, is the headline factually wrong?

 

[tommib]

I’m here for the legacy PS1 and PS2 content. King’s Field 4, please.

 

[Topher]

So if it's being pitched in competition with Gamepass, is the headline factually wrong?

It isn't being pitched at all. That's just Schrierer's take on it.

 

[ReBurn]

Nah, it's because you don't own shit.

People don't care about owning games like they used to. People here are an exception, but a lot of people like their Spotify, Disney Plus, Hulu and Netflix. They don't complain that they don't own the songs and movies. They just consume what they want and move on. A lot of people want to consume video games this way. Just the way it is.

 

[Deerock71]

No Vita mentioned. Can't even get respect when it's dead. Glad mine still works.

Vita means grief.

 

[arvfab]

What? That makes no sense, tons ps playstation owners want a sub service with the aaa included, the lack of having them day and date is the whole reason ps now fails.

Yes sure... Because the 5-10 games a year more make such a huge difference if they aren't released day one on PSNow....

 

[kingpotato]

PS+ is 2:! to GP and GP is roughly 5:1 to PS Now

I need to find the site but xbox is showing 433 games on console, 389 games on pc, i think it's about 450 games in total.

From the PS Now wiki: As of 2020, there are over 800 games available
I saw another link from summer 2021 that said over 700, so I'm not sure which is accurate.

Sony disclosed 47.2 million plus subscribers in Sept 2021, Microsoft disclosed 18+ million in Jan 2021. Not sure if those are the best numbers at the moment.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I have no desire to sub to ps+ or ps now, I’m not sure what the value proposition is with combining the two for people like me. I guess if you already sub to both it will be cheaper. Either way it better have first party day 1 or it is not even close to gamepass which has that plus is on PC.

 

[NickFire]

This seems to be just new packaging of what already exists.

 

[obie]

 

[Punished Miku]

I have no desire to sub to ps+ or ps now, I’m not sure what the value proposition is with combining the two for people like me. I guess if you already sub to both it will be cheaper. Either way it better have first party day 1 or it is not even close to gamepass which has that plus is on PC.

Their digital black Friday sales are $50 games.

Zero chance they will be on the sub day one.

 

[FunkMiller]

The inevitable move to subscription based services for all forms of entertainment goes on…

 

[Tazzu]

I'm concerned about the lack of concern.

 

[kingpotato]

This seems to be just new packaging of what already exists.

Exactly, but it doesn't take much to scramble the console zealots these days so they can foam at the mouth over their rabid devotion to a subscription service.

 

[remember_spinal]

Whew, the gamepass cheerleading comes to a close soon.

 

[arvfab]

People don't care about owning games like they used to. People here are an exception, but a lot of people like their Spotify, Disney Plus, Hulu and Netflix. They don't complain that they don't own the songs and movies. They just consume what they want and move on. A lot of people want to consume video games this way. Just the way it is.

These "people" are the same who play FIFA and COD the whole year until the next entry (and therefore don't need a subscription service) or are casual af and don't give a damn about quality.

 

[Old_and_Slow]

Subscription service for games is a great value for some players. Not so great for games as a medium of entertainment.

More and more video games are becoming a "throwaway" service item. Buy, play, move on. Replay later? No, don't do that, just buy something new. Besides that old game is already off the service.

Feel like games are getting shorter with less content by the day? I think these services are part of that problem.

 

[reksveks]

It isn't being pitched at all. That's just Schrierer's take on it.

A replacement service is clearly pitched/positioned internally as a 'replacement' to the current setup of PS Now/PS Plus. Whether they mention GP in the slides/documents, yeah Jason doesn't really clear that up in the article. I suspect it might be the unspoken elephant in the room though but yeah, it's a take.

 

[Elios83]

Yeah it's what most people guessed they would do.
Merging services doing tiers.
So PS+ basic, PS+ and Now together and Plus+Now+Legacy titles through emulators running on cloud servers.
Depending on the price it might be really compelling, especially if the highest tier is 99$ a year.
Obviously they're not going to put their new AAA releases day one on the service, they're not in the business of losing money.

 

[Mr.ODST]

This thread is going to be a goldmine

On a serious note, It was coming at some point and the industry will move this way completely.

 

[reksveks]

From the PS Now wiki: As of 2020, there are over 800 games available
I saw another link from summer 2021 that said over 700, so I'm not sure which is accurate.

Sony disclosed 47.2 million plus subscribers in Sept 2021, Microsoft disclosed 18+ million in Jan 2021. Not sure if those are the best numbers at the moment.

Yeah, 2.5: to 1 on the sub numbers but it is from different time periods unfortunately. MS doesn't make this easy.