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A huge purchase is imminent within 1 month from now

Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
In terms of software compatibility it's fine, but it's so slow and unstable. It's like android phone from 10 years ago.
I guess the speed depends on the hardware it is running on, I've not noticed it being unstable. I shit on the Samsung Tizen OS, partly because of the ads and its inability to retain my HDMI port naming, but mostly due o its sluggishness, however to be fair I'm sure it may run better on a brand new TV.
 

anothertech

Member
Maybe it's
Damn, I want to say something..

Jim Carrey Shut Up GIF
Ya, maybe it's dark silicone and a dgpu...
 

SpokkX

Member
Sony gaming revenue is higher than Xbox and Steam combined..... and is particularly focused on AAA releases.

When you take away things like WOW, LOL and Valorant, PC gaming is not half as impressive as it is implied.

For AAA gaming revenue, PlayStation smashes the rest.

Geographically, you're cutting off most of europe, middle east and Japan along with other global territories if you do not come to PlayStation,
Look at it geographically, not just abstract numbers. Nobody in Europe is gonna suddenly change to Xbox, especially when all your friends play on PS anyway.
With GTA6/GTA online 2 being exclusive - yes many would switch to xbox. No doubt. Especially since you immediately get a ”library” of games with gamepass and add Elder scrolls to that…

GTA was the reason most of my friends bought a ps2 in the first place. It was not mgs2, dmc etc - those are hardcore niche games by comparison
 

kuncol02

Banned
I guess the speed depends on the hardware it is running on, I've not noticed it being unstable. I shit on the Samsung Tizen OS, partly because of the ads and its inability to retain my HDMI port naming, but mostly due o its sluggishness, however to be fair I'm sure it may run better on a brand new TV.
I had Sony TV with android TV. It was borderline unusable with constant freezes and sluggish interface. Mi Box 4k is slightly better, but also has tons of stability problems and with every day it runs slower and slower.
 

Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
I just don’t see 30 bil on 2K being worth it when you could probably buy WB and the gaming + related merch rights to their IP less than half that price.
Why not just buy them both? I remember some people saying Pixar, Star Wars, Marvel, Minecraft, Bethesda etc. deals were all over priced or at least questionable at the time, but over time they all look cheap now (Bethesda remains to be seen but sure it will). If you price in the potential scenario where a competitor gets them instead and how that may play out, then it is probably even easier to justify.

Part of the problem with buying WB would be untangling all the existing IP deals that are probably in play, not to mention taking on assets that may not be in your wheelhouse (Movies, TV). 2K in that respect would be a more straight forward deal and may be more appealing in the first instance.
 

SaucyJack

Member
I just don’t see 30 bil on 2K being worth it when you could probably buy WB and the gaming + related merch rights to their IP less than half that price.

That really depends on exactly what the priority is for what you want to acquire - functioning studios, creative capability, technical skills, ip, engine tech, etc.

No point buying an orange when you need a banana.
 

Andodalf

Banned
Why not just buy them both? I remember some people saying Pixar, Star Wars, Marvel, Minecraft, Bethesda etc. deals were all over priced or at least questionable at the time, but over time they all look cheap now (Bethesda remains to be seen but sure it will). If you price in the potential scenario where a competitor gets them instead and how that may play out, then it is probably even easier to justify.

Part of the problem with buying WB would be untangling all the existing IP deals that are probably in play, not to mention taking on assets that may not be in your wheelhouse (Movies, TV). 2K in that respect would be a more straight forward deal and may be more appealing in the first instance.

Im not saying to buy all of WB, after this merger with Discovery I think there’s 0% chance of that. I’m just saying WB games, and exclusive gaming rights to IP. There being existing IP deals isn’t a massive thing just ride it out. IP is a long game.

As for why not both, I think at some point it’s just too much to put under one banner.


That really depends on exactly what the priority is for what you want to acquire - functioning studios, creative capability, technical skills, ip, engine tech, etc.

No point buying an orange when you need a banana.

They want to be able to put attractive AAA games on Gamepass every other month. I think WB gets them closer to being able to do that, and at the end of the day I think Harry Potter, DC, and LoTR have more pull than GTA and NBA if you can use them to their fullest.
 
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SaucyJack

Member
Im not saying to buy all of WB, after this merger with Discovery I think there’s 0% chance of that. I’m just saying WB games, and exclusive gaming rights to IP. There being existing IP deals isn’t a massive thing just ride it out. IP is a long game.

As for why not both, I think at some point it’s just too much to put under one banner.




They want to be able to put attractive AAA games on Gamepass every other month. I think WB gets them closer to being able to do that, and at the end of the day I think Harry Potter, DC, and LoTR have more pull than GTA and NBA if you can use them to their fullest.

If they is Microsoft then you're right, I was speaking more generally. There are plenty of other players that might be interested if T2 were for sale.
 

Leyasu

Banned
I am sure that fanboys have regular wet dreams about GTA being exclusive to their console of choice, but it just ain't happening I feel. I can't see anyone acquiring T2.

Their market cap today is over 17bn, and the buyer would probably have to pay over that too.
 

THEAP99

Banned


Honestly I'm getting annoyed of microsoft buying studios when they have not shown any evidence to prove that they're taking advantage of the added talent in any meaningful ways.

I mean ninja theory is taking nearly a decade to release hellblade 2.. and then they showed mostly cgi trailers at e3.. I mean come on.

All while insomniac is gonna have 3 and a half games (miles is a half, not full) games out the door by 2025 for the gen.
 

Buggy Loop

Member


Honestly I'm getting annoyed of microsoft buying studios when they have not shown any evidence to prove that they're taking advantage of the added talent in any meaningful ways.

I mean ninja theory is taking nearly a decade to release hellblade 2.. and then they showed mostly cgi trailers at e3.. I mean come on.

All while insomniac is gonna have 3 and a half games (miles is a half, not full) games out the door by 2025 for the gen.


Is Hellblade 2 releasing in 2027?
 

Dabaus

Banned
MS having almost 0 market share world wide and getting outsold by the ps5 here in the US is a death sentence for whatever studio they buy. Thats not including their crappy management and lack of quality control. Good luck to whoever it is.
 

Andodalf

Banned
I am sure that fanboys have regular wet dreams about GTA being exclusive to their console of choice, but it just ain't happening I feel. I can't see anyone acquiring T2.

Their market cap today is over 17bn, and the buyer would probably have to pay over that too.

MS could afford them easily. Cash isn't the hold up
 

Little Chicken

Gold Member
I am sure that fanboys have regular wet dreams about GTA being exclusive to their console of choice, but it just ain't happening I feel. I can't see anyone acquiring T2.

Their market cap today is over 17bn, and the buyer would probably have to pay over that too.
I don't think there's a chance of it happening, but Take 2 is far more than just GTA (sports/WWE games, Bioshock, Civ, Xcom, RDR, Mafia, etc).
 

kuncol02

Banned
How do all of these twitter nobodies know this top secret information but jeff grubbs and jason schriers, bloombergs, eurgogamers, etc. dont know/ cant say?
Sometimes smaller youtubers etc are used as marketing channel and are used to spread fake leaks (like they think that's real leak but it's marketing department controlled). Unless you believe that multiple AC games were leaked same way.
 

Perrott

Gold Member
How do all of these twitter nobodies know this top secret information but jeff grubbs and jason schriers, bloombergs, eurgogamers, etc. dont know/ cant say?
It may be that these "Twitter/YT nobodies" don't have any problem in commenting on rumblings or whispers they've heard regarding a certain topic (in this case an acquisition news), while reputable websites like Bloomberg, Eurogamer and such are required to have actual evidence (internal documents, emails, reliable inside sources backing up the information, etc) in order to be able to report on basically any rumor due to editorial policies.

Like, for instance, it wasn't until like an hour before the Zenimax deal got announced last year that Jason Schreier was finally able to put together a report on the matter on Bloomberg, even though it's safe to say that Jason knew about it for several days or maybe even weeks leading up to the deal getting officially announced.
 
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Interfectum

Member
How do all of these twitter nobodies know this top secret information but jeff grubbs and jason schriers, bloombergs, eurgogamers, etc. dont know/ cant say?
Some will run with any semi-credible rumor they hear in hopes it's real and they make it into the insiders club. Grubb, Bloomberg and the rest can't really operate that way.
 

Dabaus

Banned
It may be that these "Twitter/YT nobodies" don't have any problem in commenting on rumblings or whispers they've heard regarding a certain topic (in this case an acquisition news), while reputable websites like Bloomberg, Eurogamer and such are required to have actual evidence (internal documents, emails, reliable inside sources backing up the information, etc) in order to be able to report on basically any rumor due to editorial policies.

Like, for instance, it wasn't until like an hour before the Zenimax deal got announced last year that Jason Schreier was finally able to put together a report on the matter on Bloomberg.
Do you think MS is making a move here or just fanboys desperate for attention?
 

Perrott

Gold Member
Do you think MS is making a move here or just fanboys desperate for attention?
I have reasons to think that there's truth to all these "huge MS acquisition" rumblings that are making the rounds across the internet at the moment, yes.
 

Warablo

Member
Take 2 for 30 billion is a steal (they can probably get it cheaper). I am sure Nba 2k and GTA Online makes billions in microtransactions every year. I just don't see why Take 2 would sell. I know some leadership has left.
 
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Del_X

Member
Microsoft just announced $60BN in share buybacks. I'm sure a $20BN acquisition wouldn't hurt them too much.
 

leo-j

Member
They are totally going after take 2 and or square Enix. Sony has some stake in square. But honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns into a bidding war for square if Microsoft attempts to buy them. They are going to try to force game pass on PlayStation . So chugging up 3rd party jaggernauts is a way to do that, force Sony’s hand.
 

pratyush

Member
Microsoft just announced $60BN in share buybacks. I'm sure a $20BN acquisition wouldn't hurt them too much.
Share buyback is important for it's shareholders. It makes the stock more valuable. 20b$ acquisition is not. There is a huge difference between share buy back and acquisitions
 

Dabaus

Banned



Quoting a reddit post i thought made alot of sense:
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tpieman2029


Bethesda was an anomaly. A perfect storm of 1) being private 2) not doing well financially and 3) Altman and Co having a great relationship with xbox.

No Japanese publisher as of now is going to look to sell. They're all doing fine and xbox would kill a lot of their audience share which is mostly Nintendo.

Most western companies are either public or don't fit the gamepsss model (take 2 with nba 2k and gta for example.)

Wb is the only real possibility and I would hardly call that a monopoly"
 

Del_X

Member
Share buyback is important for it's shareholders. It makes the stock more valuable. 20b$ acquisition is not. There is a huge difference between share buy back and acquisitions
Growth is important. An acquisition can easily grow the business if the purchase aims to do that.
 

pratyush

Member
Growth is important. An acquisition can easily grow the business if the purchase aims to do that.
Growth is important but 20b acquisition is huge. 80b share buy back isnt, considering MS profits is owned by it's shareholders.

That's why I said Share buy back volume is completely irrelevant compared to what company can spend on acquisition. It's not like Microsoft just owns gaming division. So that comparison is not correct.
 
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They are totally going after take 2 and or square Enix. Sony has some stake in square. But honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns into a bidding war for square if Microsoft attempts to buy them. They are going to try to force game pass on PlayStation . So chugging up 3rd party jaggernauts is a way to do that, force Sony’s hand.

Doesn’t that devalue Xbox as a console? I know he (lord Spencer) would put Gamepass on everything if he could so what is the point of the Xbox console when you can get all what the others offer plus game pass ?
 
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mejin

Member


Honestly I'm getting annoyed of microsoft buying studios when they have not shown any evidence to prove that they're taking advantage of the added talent in any meaningful ways.

I mean ninja theory is taking nearly a decade to release hellblade 2.. and then they showed mostly cgi trailers at e3.. I mean come on.

All while insomniac is gonna have 3 and a half games (miles is a half, not full) games out the door by 2025 for the gen.


It is not like any other shark in the market is doing good with their acquisitions.

And with acquisitions of stablished studios and ips, MS can block content to Playstation.
 

lachesis

Member
Maybe Tencent is buying Microsoft for whopping 10 cents.... (jk)

Not really sure if I like this whole "merger" thing though on all front. As typical Gen X - I have issues with big corps getting bigger and bigger... I guess it's just in my blood.
 
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