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PS5 sells over 1M in Japan (faster than PS4)
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Unknown?
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It's possibly higher now especially with PS5's size. A lot of Japanese probably want to save space.
ZywyPL
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PropellerEar
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Easy, if your not an Xbox spaghetti arm.Just imagine trying to move this monster inside your house:
Even this lil Sony dude can do it.
Kilau
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Image is obviously shopped…Just imagine trying to move this monster inside your house:
Actual size.
Japan and the US have about the same percentage of FFXIV players. And there’s other F2P stuff like Fortnite, Apex and Warzone that’s more popular in the US than Japan. Yet there’s no attach rate issue there.
It’s also not likely that tons of people are putting down the equivalent of $500 to play only the same F2P stuff that’s already on PS4.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I don't see how anyone looks at this and thinks the Japanese market is dead for traditional western games. This is utterly atrocious.
There are indeed unknown factors like digital sales and F2P as you said however the reason why I stated that PS5 software sales are worrisome is that the known physical sales are simply too low, that even factoring in those other factors, give us an hint that the situation is odd.
After around 10 months PS5 disk version total sales in Japan are around 850K units, with physical software pegged at around 300K units.
That would result in a tie ratio of around 0.35 (only considering the disk based SW/HW) which is extremely low.
This is what prompt many to guess part of the japanese PS5 console sales are being diverted to other Countries.
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Papacheeks
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I dont think your wrong, but also would say games people were already invested in on PS4 work without issue on PS5. And on competitive and F2P scene like fortnite, genshin, I feel having the beefier console gives you a leg up because of the performance boost in some of the titles.
But until we have more info it's all just speculation. Would not doubt retailers/private sellars reselling PS5's to China.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
PS5 has sold 1 million units and the best selling games a handful at about 50k each? And then it drops fast to 20k and less.
So basically, virtually all of them bought it for gaming on old gen/BC games. Even if you added up that list, thats maybe 300k game sales.
ethomaz
Banned
That comparison is very misleading.
First it doesn't include all titles sales (it is based on the sales of TOP30 from Famitsu) and not include digital.
So nobody can say the real scenario of the software sales.
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KingT731
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It's a very much incomplete comparison since clearly the list is only games that had a physical PS5 version. Not counting any games with free PS5 upgrades and/or no PS5 version at all.
For example Yakuza: Like A Dragon had a free upgrade from the PS4 version to the PS5 version.
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BootsLoader
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For all the Boxts that transformed our balls in Zeppelins by saying that PS5 is doomed in Japan and SX etc is doing great and consoles dead in Japan bs etc.
PropellerEar
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For all the Boxts that transformed our balls in Zeppelins by saying that PS5 is doomed in Japan and SX etc is doing great and consoles dead in Japan bs etc.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
Does that include digital copies of the games? I would think that is a more prevalent in 2020/2021 than it was in 2014/2015.
Nezzeroth
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Yep. I mean you don't even need insider info to know this. Their software numbers are horrible.
What Japan looked like 20 years ago vs now
Week of 2001-08-27
Week of 2021-08-30
Sony’s Fate/Grand Order dominates Japan
Sensor Tower
Week of 2001-08-27
Week of 2021-08-30
Sony’s Fate/Grand Order dominates Japan
Sensor Tower
MagnesG
Banned
GAF is not even the insiders yet still believe that it's BS. Go figure.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Another L for Bloomberg
reinking
Gold Member
Almost as bad as those trying to downplay the consoles sold like they evaporated or something. Scalpers do not buy consoles to toss them in the dumpster.
The mental gymnastics in this thread is crazy.
Don't forget that billions spent on F2P is all monopoly money.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Is that guy saying $1,500 a month is high? $2,000 a month is about as low as you're going to get in many major cities: Sydney, Hong Kong, Tokyo, New York, San Fran.
In Sydney you could get a really shitty 1 bedder for about $1,200 a month but you really wouldn't want to live there.
And you're 100% right, a senior Cloud Architect is going to be paid roughly $200-300k a year.
I don't think many people have a grasp of how much money we get paid in IT. That's why I always get upset about people bitching about crunch. When you're paid this salary you should shut the fuck up and earn it. When people ask me to work overtime all I can think of is: for the money you're paying me, I'm not complaining
Do you have kids and/or a wife?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's the total PS5 hardware sales after the first 43 weeks, roughly 10 months.
It's not a terrible result actually, the worrying part are the software sales.
To give some context:
Where's the Xbox Series X?
ethomaz
Banned
Catching Xbox One.
long since surpassed Xbox One’s numbers in that chart
Petaya Berry
Banned
On par with the Vita and slower than the Wii U.
Petaya Berry
Banned
Great?
These numbers are abismal. They are below Wii U numbers. PS4 also did not sell so well in Japan.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
All of them sold to westerners?
Seriously, what game is bringing Japanese people to the PS5, exactly? That top 20 is way too skewed to the west side of things. I’m curious.
Seriously, what game is bringing Japanese people to the PS5, exactly? That top 20 is way too skewed to the west side of things. I’m curious.
JimboJones
Member
Better than PS4 a pretty low bar hopefully they can pick it up a bit but in the grand scheme of things they probably don't want to or have to appeal heavily to Japan these days.
Lupingosei
Banned
No, they bought it for Genshin Impact.
Not that great for Sony, because they sell the hardware at a loss and people don't buy their games.
Lupingosei
Banned
Genshin Impact only. They use the phone to play it mobile and the PS5 to play it at home.
It looks nice on the PS5 too.
Top 10 best selling games for the PS2/GBA/GC etc. generation (source: Famitsu)
1) Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire (GBA, Pokemon Co): 5.37M
2) Dragon Quest VIII (PS2, Square Enix): 3.70M
3) Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (GBA, Pokemon Co): 3.08M
4) Final Fantasy X (PS2, Square Enix): 3.02M
5) Final Fantasy XII (PS2, Square Enix): 2.46M
6) Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2, Square Enix): 2.32M
7) Pokemon Emerald (GBA, Pokemon Co): 2.20M
2) Dragon Quest V (PS2, Square Enix): 1.81M
9) Hot Shots Golf 4 (PS2, SCE): 1.61M
10) Kingdom Hearts II (PS2, Square Enix): 1.58M
Top 10 best selling games for the PS4/NSW etc. generation until recently (most of these games are still selling well week after week), only physical sales (source: Famitsu)
1) Animal Crossing New Horizons (NSW, Nintendo): 6.87M
2) Smash Bros Ultimate (NSW, Nintendo): 4.41M
3) Pokemon Sword/Shield (NSW, Pokemon Co): 4.13M
4) Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (NSW, Nintendo): 4.02M
5) Splatoon 2 (NSW, Nintendo): 3.93M
6) Ring Fit Adventure (NSW, Nintendo): 2.80M
7) Monster Hunter World (PS4, Capcom): 2.57M
8) Momotaro Dentetsu: Showa, Heisei, Reiwa mo Teiban! (NSW, Konami): 2.36M
9) Monster Hunter Rise (NSW, Capcom): 2.32M
10) Super Mario Odyssey (NSW, Nintendo): 2.25M
Of course including digital sales, the totals for the NSW/PS4 games would be higher.
Here a few examples including digital sales taken from Nintendo, Konami and Capcom's sell-in data:
| Game | System | Publisher | Sales | Updated as |
| Animal Crossing: New Horizons | NSW | Nintendo | 9,50 | June 2021 |
| Smash Bros. Ultimate | NSW | Nintendo | 5,41 | March 2021 |
| Pokémon Sword / Shield | NSW | Pokémon Co. | 5,14 | March 2021 |
| Mario Kart 8 Deluxe | NSW | Nintendo | 5,00 | June 2021 |
| Splatoon 2 | NSW | Nintendo | 4,69 | March 2021 |
| Monster Hunter World | PS4 | Capcom | 3,18 | October 2020 |
| Ring Fit Adventure | NSW | Nintendo | 3,06 | June 2021 |
| Momotaro Dentetsu: Showa, Heisei, Reiwa mo Teiban! | NSW | Konami | 3,00 | May 2021 |
| Super Mario Odyssey | NSW | Nintendo | 2,66 | March 2021 |
| The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild | NSW | Nintendo | 2,50 | March 2021 |
| Super Mario Party | NSW | Nintendo | 2,45 | March 2021 |
| Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu / Eevee | NSW | Pokémon Co. | 2,15 | March 2021 |
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Woopah
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What Japan looked like 20 years ago vs now
Week of 2001-08-27
Week of 2021-08-30
Sony’s Fate/Grand Order dominates Japan
Sensor Tower
They are definitely interesting trends in terms of overall but I don't think anything about this is particularly Japanese-specific. Lower number of active platforms, lower number of physical games released and software sales becoming more focuses on mega hits is something we will see in all markets.
Hezekiah
Banned
Bizarre.Yeah, it is an odd flex. “You wish they were for JPN gamers, they are all going to China thanks to the huge demand for PS5 there”.
It just highlights the massive worldwide demand for PS5. But the reality is Japan is an oddity in terms of the games played there, and PS5 is selling at a faster rate than PS4 there, just as it is everywhere else
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Killer Sakoman
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That's physical which is dying. People now buy digital
Hezekiah
Banned
Time for a new spreadsheet/graph I guess.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Guess we can finally put that one to rest after all these years.
nastybastard
Member
I did my regular Friday morning Amazon F5 frenzy and came up empty yet again. Interestingly, the new CFI-1100A01 model went on sale on Amazon this morning at ¥55k and sold out immediately. There are now 8 of those same models available for just under ¥100k. Truth is that those 1 million systems have probably led to 1.5 million sales. Yahoo auctions and Rakuten are full of scalped systems at twice the retail price. Some fuckers also have the audacity to charge shipping on those outrageously inflated systems. Fuck those people.
smbu2000
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Why are you showing a Top Mobile Games by Worldwide Revenue for a thread about Japan? Wouldn't it be better to use a Japan chart. It's not August 2021, but Q2 2021 from the same Tracking company.What Japan looked like 20 years ago vs now
Week of 2001-08-27
Week of 2021-08-30
Sony’s Fate/Grand Order dominates Japan
Sensor Tower
Fate does well, but it is at #6 Overall.
https://sensortower.com/blog/top-mobile-games-in-japan-q2-2021-by-revenue-downloads
Petaya Berry
Banned
Care to share with us the data showing this about Biohazard in Japan?
The situation is clear to anyone, as you can easily extrapolate what is happening outside the Top 30 - Switch titles have better legs because there is an active user-base.
Digital is still 20-30% at best for the majority of titles which don't face shortages at launch or aren't part of Nintendo's voucher program.
Most recently we found out that Resident Evil: Village had around 20% digital in Japan at launch, compared to Monster Hunter Rise which faced shortages and had digital of around 50% at launch.
We also know for a fact that the best selling physical game on the PS5 is Village at 67.000, with this type of software sales PS5 is not a viable platform for third parties in Japan. While PS4 has declined greatly as witnessed by Village again having difficulty in selling it's initial shipment regardless of bomba bin sales with 50% discounts.
For third parties it's pretty clear what you need to do in order to be successful in Japan(and outside Japan), as seen by the record financial results posted by Capcom, Konami, Koei Tecmo, Marvelous, Nippon Ichi, you can see it with the figures we do know about from Famitsu's Top 30.
If you are still in denial you are simply not wanting to see the forest for the trees but a ecosystem that can't even support 10% market share in Japan is simply not viable for third parties focused on the market going forward. PS will continue to get AAA games but outside of Square Enix, Capcom & From Software - Japanese third parties don't develop a lot of AAA games. Bandai has one game that I would classify as AAA - Tekken; Sega has one which is Total War; Koei has one which is Nioh - nothing is really at Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Resident Evil, Monster Hunter type budget.
Famitsu Top 50 Third Party 2021:
- [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise (Capcom) - 2.318.363
- [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu (Konami) - 1.125.838
- [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft) - 463.855
- [NSW] Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town (Marvelous) – 281.140
- [NSW] Monster Hunter Stories 2 (Capcom) - 227.554
- [PS4] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 191.983
- [NSW] Baseball Spirits 2021 (Konami) - 186.042
- [NSW] Crayon Shin-Chan (Neos) - 183.733
- [PS4] NieR Replicant (Square Enix) - 158.265
- [NSW] Bravely Default II (Square Enix) – 136.091
- [NSW] Rune Factory 5 (Marvelous) - 127.968
- [NSW] Yu-Gi-Oh! Rush Duel (Konami) - 127.221
- [NSW] Fitness Boxing 2 (Imagineer) - 108.222
- [NSW] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 100.806
- [NSW] Human Fall Flat (Teyon Japan) - 85.310
- [NSW] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 72.796
- [PS4] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 72.727
- [NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco) - 70.964
- [NSW] Fishing Spirits (Bandai Namco) - 68.180
- [PS5] Resident Evil Village (Capcom) - 67.000
- [NSW] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 65.620
- [NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo) - 62.119
- [NSW] Samurai Warriors 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 61.350
- [NSW] Minecraft Dungeons (Microsoft) - 59.256
- [NSW] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega) - 40.688
- [NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (Sega) - 36.105
- [NSW] Family Trainer (Bandai Namco) - 35.273
- [PS4] Scarlet Nexus(Bandai Namco) - 31.665
- [PS4] Biomutant (THQ Nordic) - 30.292
- [NSW] Densha de Go!! (Square Enix) - 29.624
- [NSW] Apex Legends: Champion Edition (Electronic Arts) - 29.057
- [NSW] eBaseball Powerful Pro Baseball 2020 (Konami) - 27.539
- [NSW] Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny (Nippon Ichi) - 25.744
- [NSW] Jack Jeanne (Broccoli) - 25.518
- [PS4] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 24.968
- [PS4] Judgment [New Price Edition] (Sega) - 24.271
- [PS5] Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (Square Enix) - 23.491
- [NSW] Neo: The World Ends with You (Square Enix) - 22.028
- [NSW] The Quintessential Quintuplets Double Integral (Mages.) - 20.374
- [NSW] A-Train: All Aboard! Tourism (Artdink) - 20.043
- [PS4] Disgaea 6 (Nippon Ichi) - 18.289
- [NSW] The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (Capcom) – 18.197
- [PS4] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 16.352
- [PS4] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 16.235
- [NSW] Angelique Luminarise (Koei Tecmo) - 14.506
- [PS4] Ninja Gaiden: Master Collection (Koei Tecmo) - 14.483
- [NSW] Winning Post 9 2021 (Koei Tecmo) - 14.368
- [PS4] NieR: Automata - GotY Edition (Square Enix) - 13.712
- [PS4] Guilty Gear: Strive (Arc System) - 13.574
- [PS4] Winning Post 9 2021 (Koei Tecmo) - 13.221
NSW TOTAL: 6.264.697 (89.6%)
PS4 TOTAL: 640.037 (9.1%)
PS5 TOTAL: 90.491 (1.3%)
Top 10 Third Party Publishers
- Capcom - 2.823.097 (40.4%)
- Konami - 1.466.640 (21%)
- Microsoft - 523.111 (7.5%)
- Square Enix - 500.369 (7.2%)
- Marvelous - 490.963 (7%)
- Bandai Namco - 303.846 (4.3%)
- Other - 268.201 (3.8%)
- Koei Tecmo - 252.774 (3.6%)
- Neos - 183.733 (2.6%)
- Imagineer - 108.222 (1.5%)
- Sega - 101.064 (1.4%)
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