FranXico
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Maybe they are slowly regaining interest in home consoles.
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PS5 sells over 1M in Japan (faster than PS4)
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anthony2690
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That attachment rate is surprisingly low compared to the PS4, any idea why such a low attachment rate?
Is digital sales bigger in Japan than retail?
Or maybe they are just happy to play their current ps4 titles?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's a mix of a decent amount of consoles getting scalped and people playing old titles. Digital is still small in Japan, maybe at 20% or so.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Good for Sony and the japanese studios. 
ANIMAL1975
Member
1. PS5 is backcompatible with ps4, you have your intire library to play since day one.
2. PS4 wasn't _ 0 games.
3. As others are saying in the thread _ digital sales vs boxed _ do you guys even know the number for digital sales in 2013/14? Psn was in its infancy after the ps3 lowsy years.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Digital is 20% or so. It doesn't change much. 300k vs 380k.
Gameplaylover
Member
Even if we assume 50% digital sales now and 20% in 2013/2014, and i doubt this, it's still 2 million vs 600k.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yeah, it is an odd flex. “You wish they were for JPN gamers, they are all going to China thanks to the huge demand for PS5 there”Now, Nintendo fans are comically wishing that PS5 sales in the small Japan reflects a huge demand in the enormous China.
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MagnesG
Banned
Oh, the flip-flopper is here again.Now, Nintendo fans are comically wishing that PS5 sales in the small Japan reflect a huge demand in the enormous China.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Is that guy saying $1,500 a month is high? $2,000 a month is about as low as you're going to get in many major cities: Sydney, Hong Kong, Tokyo, New York, San Fran.
In Sydney you could get a really shitty 1 bedder for about $1,200 a month but you really wouldn't want to live there.
And you're 100% right, a senior Cloud Architect is going to be paid roughly $200-300k a year.
I don't think many people have a grasp of how much money we get paid in IT. That's why I always get upset about people bitching about crunch. When you're paid this salary you should shut the fuck up and earn it. When people ask me to work overtime all I can think of is: for the money you're paying me, I'm not complaining
Your average game developer (code monkey) does not make $200K+.
Shubh_C63
Member
I really think it's more of front loaded demand. People who reaally wanted a PS5 got them faster than PS4. Would love to be wrong.
jigglet
Banned
Your average developer with vision sees the next step is team lead, then solution designer, then architect. I’ve seen people rise up from the testing team to the top job.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yeah, but when people talk about the video game development crunch you're defending, most of the people affected are those regular developers who don't make that kind of money.
ANIMAL1975
Member
Digital in 2013/14 was probably closer to 0% lol after the troubled ps3 generation with hacked ps network and its shitty performance all around (even ps plus was a new thing and not mandatory for multiplayer).
But most of all you are both dismissing my first point:
When you bought a ps4 in 2013 you had 0 games to play on it _ you had to buy games. With ps5 you have your intire library readly available since day one with enhanced features for replay and your backlog of virgin games...
Gameplaylover
Member
People don't buy a PS5 to play old PS4 games. A cheap Pro would do the job just fine. It makes more sense to me that many consoles are sold to other countries since they are still rare.
skit_data
Member
What do you think about the rumors of Sony building a big Japanese studio? Do you think there’s truth to it? Will you forgive Ryan and Hulst’s sins?
Seeing that they pretty much rebought studio Liverpool, I was skeptical before but now… it doesn’t seem too far fetched
Bryank75
Banned
I'm sure they will build more... it would be perplexing to me if they didn't.
I think a Japanese studio whether built or bought should be a sure thing....
Bluepoint should also be a sure thing...there is an absolute ton of work for them to do.
Plus I think another studio or two could join PlayStation too.... what scale of studio? I'm unsure...we could get something smaller like the Kena dev and something bigger like Kojima or something like that. (Even though he is just one man and the studio is gone without him)
My favorites are Remedy, IOI, Asobo, Arc System Works and Kadokawa (From) (Super expensive but benefits all Sony)
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BadBurger
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I was going to guess that many of the units were being acquired in Japan in order to be resold across Asia even before reading Ahmad's assessment. The theory makes sense to me given the waning popularity of Sony's brand there and the relatively low software sales.
Bryank75
Banned
Nonsense, they have ticket systems in place and you have to be a member of some stores to get a single unit.
People are lining up around the block and almost rioting to get one.... that is not the behavior of a scalper.
China and other territories get their own stock... there will always be a very small % of units sold across borders.
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CuteFaceJay
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Only 1 mil in 1 year. That's small given the population of Japan :|
Bryank75
Banned
Still more than PS4.
Switch sold 3 million in the first year and took 17 weeks to reach 1 million. Now if you compare that to GBA or the DS....those sold a million in 3 and 4 weeks respectively. So is Switch a failure compared to those handhelds?
Bryank75
Banned
Probably right... but have to keep regions happy enough too. With the media being so vicious with Sony, I think overall it wasn't a bad call.
We're talking about japan sales where software numbers aren't aligned with hardware numbers. Even japanese gaming blog is questioning about the low attach ratio. You can go take a look at the comment section to see the general view of what's happening in Japan. Scalping issues is very prevalent in Japan for PS5. Even with the lottery system the scalpers manage to get the system without much hassle.
『PS5』国内販売台数が100万台突破！！でもソフトは全然売れてないし本体は未だに品薄ってどうなってんだよ・・・ : はちま起稿
はちま起稿：『PS5』国内販売台数が100万台突破！！でもソフトは全然売れてないし本体は未だに品薄ってどうなってんだよ・・・
Software sales figures clearly indicate there’s insane scalping going on.
Zhuge - a well respected regional analyst - makes it clear that many of the units sold there are exported to other Asian markets.
Why would console warring and fanboyism make some of you reject hard data and clear market indicators
it’s a great result for Sony in general. They’re selling every console they can make. But the attach rate is definitely going to be a concern for them with respect to Japan.
Zhuge - a well respected regional analyst - makes it clear that many of the units sold there are exported to other Asian markets.
Why would console warring and fanboyism make some of you reject hard data and clear market indicators
it’s a great result for Sony in general. They’re selling every console they can make. But the attach rate is definitely going to be a concern for them with respect to Japan.
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BattleScar
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People in Japan would probably buy a PS5 just to play Apex Legends at higher framerates.
GHG
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We're talking about japan sales where software numbers aren't aligned with hardware numbers. Even japanese gaming blog is questioning about the low attach ratio. You can go take a look at the comment section to see the general view of what's happening in Japan. Scalping issues is very prevalent in Japan for PS5. Even with the lottery system the scalpers manage to get the system without much hassle.
『PS5』国内販売台数が100万台突破！！でもソフトは全然売れてないし本体は未だに品薄ってどうなってんだよ・・・ : はちま起稿
はちま起稿：『PS5』国内販売台数が100万台突破！！でもソフトは全然売れてないし本体は未だに品薄ってどうなってんだよ・・・blog.esuteru.com
Ok... and?
So you think these consoles are ending up in the hands of people overseas where they wont buy games? Any potential shortfall in software sales in Japan will be made up for in whatever region/country the consoles ultimately end up.
I don't know about insane but its hard/impossible to split out the 3 main causes of the decreased attached rates
- better BC support
- scalping
- gaming pattern shift to f2p and probably increased digital sales
PS+ collection was included in all territories. We don’t see that skewing attach rates in the US or European markets.
You didn’t think this through, did you ?
#1 and #2 is the same in every territory the PS5 has launched in, though.
bitbydeath
Member
What makes you think US and Europe had high software sales?
#2 might be slightly different. Don't think UK/US scalpers are seller to foreign buyers.
Do we have numbers for the UK that's generally like for like?
GHG
Member
So what do you want people to say? It's a shame that these consoles are not staying in Japan in the event that they are being scalped?
Why should they stay there even if there is stronger demand for them elsewhere? Regardless of whether or not the consoles are being scalped a million sold is a million sold.
It's the total PS5 hardware sales after the first 43 weeks, roughly 10 months.
It's not a terrible result actually, the worrying part are the software sales.
To give some context:
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Armorian
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For home consoles, it is.
Mr Moose
Member
Guess which version I bought for my PS5?
KingT731
Member
3 years ago it was at 18.5% (2018)
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Kokoloko85
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Faster with way more stock issues
UK despite being a country with high digital sales managed to have much higher attach ratio for physical games than Japan.you realize we get NPD software charts?
Or the weekly PAL charts?
Papacheeks
Banned
It's the total PS5 hardware sales after the first 43 weeks, roughly 10 months.
It's not a terrible result actually, the worrying part are the software sales.
To give some context:
Thing that no one has touched on. A lot of popular games in Japan are not paid releases. Theres now tons of F2P games from FORTNITE to Genshin Impact. I think a lot of that is not being calculated. If someone can find out how many people are using PS5 in asian territories and what the break down is for F2P games on PS5 install wise in Japan/Asia I think that would solve the discrepancy in software.
Isn't Final Fantasy 14 huge in Japan? WHich also is a PS4 title that a lot already own and probably runs better on PS5?
There is like 2.49 Million active users each day, with over 22 Million players total(people who have installed the game).
Here;s some numbers for 2016: https://playercounter.com/final-fantasy-14-xiv/
I would assume with PS4 growing over there, and now PS5's that number might be larger especially with the fallout from WOW.
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