kunonabi
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Yeah I'm more concerned about the music and bosses. Both were awful in part 2 and things aren't looking much better here. Not liking the new voice actors either.
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No More Heroes 3 New Open World Gameplay - (why would they show this?)
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NinjaBoiX
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Fair enough, but out of all the artistic mediums, video games are one of the few that can be judged objectively for 80-90% of their output. They need to hit on a number of objective outcome to be considered “well made”, his games rarely do.
His games are routinely poorly coded, poorly optimised, and just generally bad to play.
You could argue that “he’s expressing his art” and all that, but Grasshopper make games that are poorly put together by any measurable standard.
Maybe that’s the point, maybe it’s the whole “punk” ethos. But surely you can’t dispute that they make really ropey games, cool *fist in the air* ethos or not.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Suda’s games are niche, you either like what he makes or you don’t but I personally happen like his games despite technical flaws, it was same for me with Drakengard 3.
Alan Silvestro
Member
I like it!
The Wheel of Fortune
Member
You didn't like the bosses in DS? Alice Twilight, Captain Vladimir, Margaret Moonlight, Matt Helms.... even Kimmy and Mimi were awesome, IMO.
Most of the new bosses look fine (spoilers beware, obviously) as well, although it remains to be seen how memorable and enjoyable their fights are. At this point, I'll admit I'm going in with low expectations, but as long as the boss fights are enjoyable then it'll be worth the admission price for me.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Hopefully they delay this to next year and optimize the shit out of it. Halo proved that its a good idea. If nintendo can put out games that look and run fine on the console, im sure they can too
Beelzebubs
Member
What in the actual fuck did I just watch. That's Pre-Alpha footage right? They can't release that without at least a year of work on it....
UniformDeliverance
Member
I have never understood the appeal of this series.. but isn't it like a staple that they are all janky as hell? And it's on the switch so.. I mean I think this looks horrible, but I thought that from day one. Hopefully it still gives some of the die hard fans what they want.. This really looks like something from the early 2000s.
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Revolutionary
Member
Looks better than Deadly Premonition 2 at least... but that's not saying much.
packy34
Member
that doesn't really make the frame rate or pop-in better
NinjaBoiX
Member
Fair enough, I had a lot of fun with NMH2.
But I think his games are really poorly made, they’re just badly put together products.
A lot of fun in their own way but yeah, he’s not a great video game designer IMO, as much as I appreciate his ethos.
AFAIK the game is targeting 60FPS, so dunno if there is some issue with back and forth video encoding but for example in 1:22 you can see that the camera is running smoothly (and the car and npc in the background as well) while Travis walking animation is strangely chopped.
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JimboJones
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The original ran pretty shitty on Wii as well, seems like tradition at this point.
mejin
Member
Hahaha holy shit. NMH is garbage, but not DAT much.
Rat Rage
Member
I've watched all trailers and everything that's been released so far. All I can say, to me it looks super fun. The artstyle and gameplay look really cool. At first, in some of the trailes, I noticed some of the very low resolution textures, but after a while, it kind of - and this might sound weired - felt somehow fresh and exciting to me, in a time where every fucking developer tries to outdo themselves with hyper realistic-looking graphics made in Unreal Engine 4. No More Heroes III It looks unique to me. It almost feels like a breath of fresh air.
I mean that in the sense that it really feels like Suda51 doesn't give too much of a fuck about realism, but more so about the desgin, crazy places, very cool and stylish enemies and bosses and fun gameplay.
There is something cool about this style of development.
Danjin44
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He never did and honestly I never want "realism" out of his work. thats not why I play his games.
I think the big culprit here is Unreal Engine, that engine never got along with Switch and always caused problems.
RE engine worked better, the Rampage Quest in MHRise run pretty well on Switch despite lots of giant monsters on screen at once.
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Pejo
Member
I do agree with you, but did you not watch the video? the vehicle "gameplay" looks awful too.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Suda fan. Killer is Dead is a top 20 game for me just for the style and the crazy story, but his gameplay ain't all that usually either.
blacktout
Member
Someone send this quote to Suda. He'd probably use it an ad for the game.
JimboJones
Member
I wouldn't really call the performance and art style serviceable, it's bad to the point it would affect my ability to enjoy the game. It reminds me of that Life of black tiger shovelware game.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Looks like NMH, can't wait. Akira bike slide all day every day.
Rerun of people claiming/blaming Wii can't do a PS2 GTA3 level open world and instead settles for something that both looks and runs worse and has less shit to do just cos Suda's intentionally, dur, not making GTA with this shit of his, lol.
Rerun of people claiming/blaming Wii can't do a PS2 GTA3 level open world and instead settles for something that both looks and runs worse and has less shit to do just cos Suda's intentionally, dur, not making GTA with this shit of his, lol.
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YeulEmeralda
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Vita game?
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Ugh, I'm getting some Deadly Premonition 2 vibes from this. I hope it doesn't turn out to be as big of a disappointment as that.
Marvel14
Banned
I agree it looks rough and doesn't appeal to me either. But I am not passing judgement until the final game is out. And I am not damning the game because of this video.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
that's pretty short-sighted to say the least. The art and art design, music etc. are obviously not objective, but even the gameplay isn't exactly objective if you think about. What is objective about a game besides the technical aspects?
uhuh not true, according to you.
NMH2 is legit a game with a top 10 soundtrack. Easily.
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EDMIX
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Looks like the ps3 game...
Which looked and played quite bad for a ps3 game...
Agreed. I don't hate the series, but I feel people need to accept it for what it is. I felt it looked bad even when the first one came out and the games haven't looked any better tbh.
This is a deep wait, like a deep wait til its used for a few years wait lol
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
I like the art design of the first two games, so why I need to accept that it supposedly "looks bad"?
The controls are pretty easy to get into, so why I need to accept that it supposedly "plays bad"?
Fare thee well
Neophyte
Crazy cyberpunk got a sequel already.
EDMIX
Member
lol shit you tell me, I never said anything about it playing bad so...... yea.
The point I'm making is the series is what it is for better or for worse, as its likely not going to drastically change.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
You quoted a post saying "It looked and played shit for a PS3 game" and said you agree and people should accept those games for what they are, giving the impression we should accept that they are poorly looking games with bad controls.
Marty-McFly
Banned
No More Hero's open worlds being horrendous is a time honoured tradition. They have about the same level of jankiness you might expect to see from Deadly Premonition or Cyberpunk 2077.
They're kind of just there to make you feel like a badass on your bike en route to the combat and boss assassinations, which are much better.
They're kind of just there to make you feel like a badass on your bike en route to the combat and boss assassinations, which are much better.
EDMIX
Member
I agree with that the game looks bad, never commented on anything regarding its controls...
Sooooo I never said anything about game's controls.
Shit, you should.... for how long they've been making such games.
Those that like this may not care, those that don't won't change their minds. I feel it is what it is and they might be correct to continue the series as is. I may not like it, but someone does. What I feel is good looking or bad looking or bad controls etc is irrelevant, all that is subjective. If someone wants to keep buying this series based on what it is, I say all power to them and the team should continue exactly how they've been, even if I don't like how it looks, even if I don't like how it plays.
As...look at the comments bud
^ Sir...this is what I always felt. This is kinda a normal thing for this team at this point. I don't like it, but many should have expected this and its a take it or leave it type thing as i don't see the team changing, but those who are a fan of this don't seem to mind and are still hype I guess.
^^^^ Your own comment shows you like this style, thus...for better or worse, it makes sense they continue what they are doing, regardless how I feel about it. I don't even know why you care so much that I feel it looks bad, shit do you, enjoy it, I think people need to simply except this is how folks view his games and this many entries in, I don't see it changing, but many on here don't evne mind, they seem to be ok with this look.
So yea, I think you should accept that this is what the fucking series is if you like it and this is what I'll accept as someone that doesn't really care for it as much. I don't know why that is seen as some bad thing as if we NEED to love it or something.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
I don't get the sentiment of accepting the games being poor looking and poor playing, that's all I'm saying. Why should I accept something I don't agree with?
The first two games had a clear style that is both unique and beautiful to look at, despite some technical inconveniences. Why should I accept that it looks bad if don't think it looks bad? Maybe I don't get your wording, because as you already said it is very subjective, but it sounds like Suda games being poor looking is now all of the sudden a universal statement that you should accept because it is fact, which would be an absurd sentiment in my opinion:
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This is why Switch sells like hotcakes.Looks very good! Cant wait!
RoadHazard
Gold Member
No. That's dumb. I mean, yes, of course nobody should be expecting PS5 visuals on a handheld Wii U, but you SHOULD be able to expect a competently put together game that runs decently. This just looks pathetic in terms of performance and visual quality. That's not the console's fault, we've seen games on it that look a generation better than this while simultaneously running twice as well. This is just a case of dev incompetence.
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kunonabi
Member
Nah, I felt the same way. Just about every creative decision they took with nmh2 rubbed me the wrong way. Which doesn't mean there weren't things to address in the first game but every attempt to fix them just actively made things worse.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
I never liked the open world in the first game. It never clicked with me and technically it was inconsistent. But I'll give you this much: It's definitely better to improve on a lacking aspect of a game in a sequel than to remove it entirely. I had the same problem when going from Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 2.
MrHydra933BR
Member
This is not the first time from this developer. Remember Deadly Premonition 2?