DryvBy
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discs are glorified keys printed on plastic nowadays.
This isn't true. Last time I tried to open my neighbor's door with a disc, we had a Fallout.
discs are glorified keys printed on plastic nowadays.
Games should be playable on the disc form, no excuses are accepted here, and you don't need to run DRM checks online like Microsoft forces you on Xbox Series X|S.
EA games ask you to log in to their servers just like quite a lot of games no matter the system or developer
This nonsense over online is just that, sheer nonsense! When everyone and their gran is online these days I would worry more about what is done when the consoles production run is over and then will the game developer allow the game to be played without the need to log in to their servers, but that's a worry for 6 years down the line
I grew up in the ZX Spectrum era and anyone who thinks these days are worse never had their brand new game chewed by their tape deck LOL
Please. I live in rural Wales (my house is far left)I don't know how you live, but sometimes we just take playstations to our camps in the wild using electricity motors (run by petrol) to play fifa and other games. You don't always have good access to internet, and for children some parents wanna monitor their children and want them to play without internet.
Those very people won't go to IGN or Gaf to express their opinion, but console and game sales will speak. The Crew and The Division get sales hit because of the DRM/constant internet requirement.
I bet it took more than 8-10 hours to deliver the physical discs from wherever you ordered them.Sigh, once again I am telling you that with my internet speed it would take like 8-10 hours to download 90GB. Sadly a 50Mbit connection is the fastest my provider can offer in the "third-world" area I live, aka Germany's 9th biggest city.
Which was true for PC like 20 years ago lol
Well, very nice example for a theoretical case that never happens in real life cause my download speeds on Xbox never seem to be stable. Might have to do something with living in a household of three and everyone having at least two devices being connected with the home Wi-Fi 24/7, it gets ridiculous sometimes with speeds crashing to Kbyte level than jumping back to the range of 30-50Mbit/s for some seconds just to stop downloading completely. It’s not a fun experience at all and I actually like to have physical copies of my games, especially when they are part of my all-time favorites.I bet it took more than 8-10 hours to deliver the physical discs from wherever you ordered them.
Also:
50 Mb = 6 MB
90000 MB / (6 MB/s) = 15000 s
15000 s / (3600 s/h) = 4.2 h
That's 4 hours and 15 minutes for 90 GB.
I happen to live in Germany too and happen to have a 50 Mb connection too and happen to have an Xbox too, and 4 hours is what it usually takes to download 90 GB.
We're in rural Pacific Northwest US. I wouldn't move back to the city if a gun was put to my head. But, internet speeds out here in the "boonies" are bad enough to make us at least fleetingly consider it.Physical will be really dead once Starlink is fully deployed. Having a bad internet connection due to your location will be a thing of the past.
Please. I live in rural Wales (my house is far left)
Even here we have Fibre and a pretty good 4G signal (5G still a dream)). Forget playing games, even making games now need the internet since so many of the major Western studios work from home.
Speaking of work, unless you got an email address and online you can't even apply for a new job or a different role with my employer (NHS) The Division was a smash hit much like Destiny and many other games that need online. Remind us again how many players have Fortnite got again?
So please, the world is going digital like it or not.
We're in rural Pacific Northwest US. I wouldn't move back to the city if a gun was put to my head. But, internet speeds out here in the "boonies" are bad enough to make us at least fleetingly consider it.
So, for us, what Starlink promises is quite literally both a way to save our country lifestyle and our sanity. Signed up immediately and we're supposed to have Starlink available in our area "mid to late 2021". Our family is almost irrationally excited about this possibility. But I am cautioning everyone not to get their hopes up. Early reports of Starlink performance are mostly solid, but there are many challenges/hurdles they still need to clear to provide seamless connections with close to zero downtime.
For US, though, Starlink is a potential game changer. The cost isn't an issue. We pay more than twice as much per month for two separate Wi-Max connections - a decent 25mbps for $130/month that is pretty consistent & a shitty 10mbps setup from a competitor for $115/month (that only really delivers 5-8 most of the time). I feel we have to keep them both bc the nature of Wi-Max in the country is unreliable so if one tower is down the idea is the other will be up.
So, theoretically, Starlink could allow us to ditch both of those and cut our monthly cost from $245/month for a combined 42mbps to $99/monthn for 100+mbps. If Starlink turns out to be highly reliable this is what we'll do. But I'm counting on needing to keep the 25mbps Wi-Max as a "backup" for at least the first 6-12 months while Starlink works out all the kinks and gets more satellites into orbit.
Having said all that, I don't think Starlink is ever going to be the be all, end all solution for slow internet. It's at best going to end up a nice complementary service to better terrestrial systems that will ultimately need to be widely expanded at great cost if the "all digital future" is ever going to happen. I'm excited as hell for Starlink but the hype of it being THE systemic solution likely exceeds the reality.
There are countries without electricity 24 hours a day, countries without a government. For billions of people, forget about worrying if a console is offline or online, they have far more pressing issues to worry about like staying alive for the day.Nice place you live in, but seems like you didn't read carefully what I wrote. I'm fully digital here since 2014 anyway, but there are occasions and sometimes countries that would benefit from more offline-friendly games as we're just talking about 220M consoles gamers out of 7B population. That's why mobile gaming is more popular as some in play when they get access to internet, and for poor families it can mean public internet.
There are countries without electricity 24 hours a day, countries without a government. For billions of people, forget about worrying if a console is offline or online, they have far more pressing issues to worry about like staying alive for the day.
Let's be sensible and a little real about it, most gamers in the western world have access either to the internet or mobile phone network and almost everyone buying a new console today, one of the very 1st moves they make is to set up and connect their brand new consoles to their WI-FI
To make out otherwise is just fanboy nonsense and silly point scoring. More so from ones who on another day praise the 60 FPS online patch for Last Of Us 2
I love the irony of highlighting an online concern by using YouTubeMaybe take it here then:
The Xbox Series X has a big DRM problem | Modern Vintage Gamer
I'm glad he made a video addressing this, it's one of the reasons I've not purchased the console.www.neogaf.com
None of this changes the fact that you should be able to buy a disc, install the game, and play it. There's a very consumer unfriendly forced dependence that you're ignoring in favour of talking about people who aren't relevant to the discussion. If you want to make a thread about those people, go make one. This thread is about this issue, a discussion started by someone to whom the installation problems do matter even if they aren't big enough of a problem as to meet your requirements.There are countries without electricity 24 hours a day, countries without a government. For billions of people, forget about worrying if a console is offline or online, they have far more pressing issues to worry about like staying alive for the day.
Let's be sensible and a little real about it, most gamers in the western world have access either to the internet or mobile phone network and almost everyone buying a new console today, one of the very 1st moves they make is to set up and connect their brand new consoles to their WI-FI
To make out otherwise is just fanboy nonsense and silly point scoring. More so from ones who on another day praise the 60 FPS online patch for Last Of Us 2
What next a gaming forum is very unfriendly because you need to be online. I don't know how you got the next-gen systems or most of the games during the pandemic, but for most, it was via online. The UK had to teach all the school kids via online for most of last year, the food shop done via online, staying in contact with the family via handled online, working for home via online and most games last year, games also had to de developed with staff in the home, yep via onlineNone of this changes the fact that you should be able to buy a disc, install the game, and play it. There's a very consumer unfriendly forced dependence that you're ignoring in favour of talking about people who aren't relevant to the discussion. If you want to make a thread about those people, go make one. This thread is about this issue, a discussion started by someone to whom the installation problems do matter even if they aren't big enough of a problem as to meet your requirements.
My Virgin media connection cuts out several times a day, not to mention whole areas having outages that take however long to fix. I’m not that confident in the permanence of internet connections.What next a gaming forum is very unfriendly because you need to be online. I don't know how you got the next-gen systems or most of the games during the pandemic, but for most, it was via Online online.The UK had to teach all the school kids via online for most of last year, the food shop via online, staying in contact with the family via online, worked for home via online and most games last year also had to de developed with staff in the home.
Still online is a massive barrier to consoles in 2021
We can all give sob stories. I can't even get Virgin Media in my neck of the woods, never mind get a Freeview signal for standard TV (in my area you need satellite) excetions to the rule.My Virgin media connection cuts out several times a day, not to mention whole areas having outages that take however long to fix. I’m not that confident in the permanence of internet connections.
There’s also the future argument, where people that want to collect games could easily be an a position where their bought and paid for games aren’t playable in the entirely likely circumstance that the games cannot be verified.
Essentially what you’re saying is fine in the ideal world where everything is always online and always will be. But others are saying that isn’t the case.
Call something a sob story to dismiss it, very smart.We can all give sob stories. I can't even get Virgin Media in my neck of the woods, never mind get a Freeview signal for standard TV (in my area you need satellite) excetions to the rule.
Even in 2005 with the launch of 360 online bashings would be wearing thin but now in 2021 when the Government advice was to work, educate, shop, even speak to your GP all from home over the network
It's beyond silly...
In 2021 almost every gamer in a half-decent country will have the internet, mobile or in most cases both and in the age of covid internet is now how many people not only have shopped, talked to their GP, stayed in contact with family members, educated their kids and more and more did their day job. In short, it's a way of life. A worry is to be had some 6 years down the line when console manufacturers move on and discontinue their console. When that day comes trying to prove you actually own a legit copy of the game goes out the window and hopefully you would be able to play your games with no issues with DRMCall something a sob story to dismiss it, very smart.
“I agree with you but I’m still going to end with a statement that doesn’t actually say anything to try and prove some sort of point”In 2021 almost every gamer in a half-decent country will have the internet, mobile or in most cases both and in the age of covid internet is now how many people not only have shopped, talked to their GP, stayed in contact with family members, educated their kids and more and more did their day job. In short, it's a way of life. A worry is to be had some 6 years down the line when console manufacturers move on and discontinue their console. When that day comes trying to prove you actually own a legit copy of the game goes out the window and hopefully you would be able to play your games with no issues with DRM
But keep on posting on a forum while worrying over the internet
It's a worry to have when the current gen of consoles is discontinued like in 6 years time, it's not an issue for today When consoles are discontinued I hope the likes of MS and developers then drop the need to check if the game is legit or not and move DRM to the successor console. If they don't, they deserve to get bashed to high heaven for it.“I agree with you but I’m still going to end with a statement that doesn’t actually say anything to try and prove some sort of point”
then thread title would be “Mass Effect Legendary Edition made me just realize what a broken mess are the internet providers in Germany”Sigh, once again I am telling you that with my internet speed it would take like 8-10 hours to download 90GB. Sadly a 50Mbit connection is the fastest my provider can offer in the "third-world" area I live, aka Germany's 9th biggest city.