Mister Wolf
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The best looking videogame I've ever seen. We need a Marble Madness sequel game from Nvidia.
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DF: Nvidia Marbles RTX Hands-On: A Vision For The Future Of Ray Tracing?
- Thread starter Mister Wolf
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The best looking videogame I've ever seen. We need a Marble Madness sequel game from Nvidia.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Yep best looking real-time game.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
The only game I've see that essentially looks "real".
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Really is amazing. Runs like hot garbage for me though
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
They're preparing you for that 4000 Series card*.
*That you will have to buy from a scalper
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I might have some settings wrong but it still kills my 3090 5950x system in the 40s fps
killatopak
Member
You basically need a quadro to run this properly.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Yeah I had 48 or 47 all the times but in the video they say that they put a framecap.
Krappadizzle
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Allnamestakenlol
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Larxia
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Assassin's Creed Unity lighting was out of its time, it looked incredible, unbelievable, and still does. I remember when I first saw footage of it, this was the biggest "next gen" feeling I had in the past few years, and even today there isn't much stuff that "wow" me like it did. Of course it had plenty of other issues, which mostly got fixed later, but the lighting was amazing.
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VFXVeteran
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Any game that uses lighting in the way it's supposed to be used is going to look incredible.
VFXVeteran
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VFXVeteran
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You are not going to get 60FPS with full path tracing. Not there yet on the hardware.
VFXVeteran
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And you know why? Because it's ACCURATE!!
I'm tired of people claiming I'm overly critical because I want to see games look like this. I came from a world where this kind of scene is the norm. Anything less and it looked wrong right away. Taking this engine, you can apply it to ANY art form and it will look incredible. Period.
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VFXVeteran
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It's very interesting to find out that this engine uses a different way of tessellation that mimics the UE5 demo. They crafted each of these objects by hand and added tessellation to them. That's probably why the memory footprint requires a 3090 to run. You see absolutely NO polygonal edges in this. And the number of unique objects (over 5000) is da shit! I'm tried of seeing instances of the same object all over a game scene like in UE5 demo and many other games where it looks like the scene is busy with objects, but most of them are duplicates.
Mistershine.
Banned
Having played plenty of games with similar Framerates back in the day is the reason 30fps doesn't bother me.
VFXVeteran
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Metro EE is the closest one right now. It has all the lighting like this and even the area light for the fire. I just played the level where you encounter these cannibals and the entire scene was spectacular with area light fire effects all around and shadow casting lights everywhere.
VFXVeteran
Banned
Yeap. Still used in path-tracers to the levels of REYES algorithm too.
Instancing will still be a thing this gen , there is not enough horse power, sadly.
I never used sub division , as I used other tricks to round models.
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Dr Bass
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Yeah but the scene is boxes and marbles with some other more detailed objects. I don’t think the modeling for that demo was too intense but that was sort of the point
The scope is “small”, but meant to show off materials and lighting. There was plenty of uniqueness in the UE5 demo imo. Landscapes, an actual character, the interiors, etc. Those statues were so detailed they weren’t going to make thousands of movie quality statues for a demo when the focus was trying to show off how much geometry they can show off at once. And then of course the final scene with the flying seemed all “unique” as well.
I feel like both demos achieve what they were going for. Not really a competition. Both look fantastic. IMO at least.
Dr Bass
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I’m too impatient for PC gaming lol.
VFXVeteran
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Not against instancing because it's used for crowds in offline rendering. It's just that many people get the idea that the game has extremely complexity when in fact, it does not. Unique objects will absolutely kill the GPU performance.
Gotcha.
VFXVeteran
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No, the modeling for that demo is intense. That's why it doesn't run on 3080s and some people get crashes. 11G of raw GPU data that's not even a mixed format like the consoles is a lot. If you increased the scope of that demo to an entire game world, it wouldn't run at all.
If you break down UE5 demo, they had a very small color palette range for their scenes (unlike R&C for example) - that's an optimization right there. All the rocks had several instances of each other. The church had multiple instances of the same character (but still looked great). It's much more intense to render 5000 unique objects with that same kind of Nanite tech all being lit, shaded with path tracing than the light probe approximation and simple shaders in UE5 demo.
The flying scene looked really great, but it wasn't because of unique objects being rendered.
I want more realism. That UE5 demo would have looked astounding with full RT lighting pipeline and importance sampled BRDF shaders. You can get a lot of detail in a game but if the lighting is still using screenspace tricks, it's not going to look right.I feel like both demos achieve what they were going for. Not really a competition. Both look fantastic. IMO at least.
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VFXVeteran
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Probably gen 5 of Nvidia boards. While that demo looked incredible, DF did point out the drawbacks. The ray resolving being blurred while an object is in motion still tells us that the 3090 is too low power for a full on game with large scope.path tracing and infinite polygons will make 'CG' looking games
i wonder how long more we can see that on PC games.
Lethal01
Member
Definitely the most impressive freely available real-time lighting demo to date. It's nice to look at it and just see none of the issues that bother while playing game(aside from the lack of caustics)
Sadly it's visually just very boring so I really can't care that much. I hope Nvidia can move on to a new tech demo soon, UE5 had a much better showcase overall as it was both ridiculously impressive and actually fun to look at.
Sadly it's visually just very boring so I really can't care that much. I hope Nvidia can move on to a new tech demo soon, UE5 had a much better showcase overall as it was both ridiculously impressive and actually fun to look at.
Dr Bass
Member
I thought it was visually amazing, especially for real time. And fun to look at. I mean come on.
See, again, I don’t get the UE5 comparison. They were going for very different things. It’s not apples to oranges, nor is there even a need to compete here.
I wonder if there are super car forums where Lambo and Ferrari owners fight.
Pedro Motta
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Tech demos are games now?
namekuseijin
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cool reflections and refraction, but no caustics under that glass ball.
edit: they acknowledge that later...
edit: they acknowledge that later...
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VFXVeteran
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As simple as it is, it's technically a game. It has input, a goal, sound, and physics.
VFXVeteran
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No game does. That's extremely hard to calculate.
The Fartist
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Pedro Motta
Member
I can list a lot of Nvidia tech-demos that have an input, a goal, sound and physycs. Still tech-demos.
Marbles is an amazing tech-demo. The future is bright.
OverHeat
« generous god »
It’s more of a game then pong
Unknown Soldier
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It's a very impressive tech demo and it runs smoothly on my 3090.
Real games are unlikely to use tech of this level though, because you can't feasibly make a profit on a game that only runs on a $1,500+ video card.
Real games are unlikely to use tech of this level though, because you can't feasibly make a profit on a game that only runs on a $1,500+ video card.
VFXVeteran
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Metro EE is the closest we have so far. Lighting is just as good.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Yeah I absolutely agree.
My last "real-time" looking game was Death Stranding. The cutscenes in it are NOT pre rendered. Running in real time.
I only have screenshot from ps4 slim version. Yet to paly 4k dlss pc verson.
yet marbles look league better
Edit: It also very much reminds me of AMD PIPES demo from years and years ago
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Mister Wolf
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Its sad you even have to explain this. Moving a marble through an obstacle course is as old school as a game can get. Elementary school era for me. If that's not a game then I don't know what the fuck is.
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VFXVeteran
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Yea, I think some guys want to downplay it's validity since it's not a FPS or 3rd person action adventure but nevertheless it's purpose is to show what will be possible on the horizon (not this gen). Even if people consider it a tech demo, it's still a showcase of what accurate lighting/shading can make a game look like.Its sad you even have to explain this. Moving a marble through an obstacle course is as old school as a game can get.
Lethal01
Member
I simply disagree. I appreciate every aspect of it technically but think they had gone for something different since right now its just a really boring demo.
Don't take it so personally, I just think the tech demo was blander than it needed to be, If you are taking the time to push graphics to the limit I think you should also take the opportunity to do it using something visually interesting. If you don't think it was bland that fine, I did and I'm basing my thoughts on how bland it is. Not a competition just giving my thoughts on the demo and using other demos as a point of reference.
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namekuseijin
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yeah, those superior Japanese Lamborghini