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[Wizz-Art]

No please, continue with this and calling mocking and lolling a defence hehe… your burning rage (you yourself said it was more of an emotional stand you were taking than a logical one) towards Sony fizzled out because there was not much of a leg to stand on anymore (issue was overblown, unlikely as the auth service is the same and has been preserved for almost 15 years now, and not console exclusive which was kind of the death knell for the forum warriors posed as white knights of the latest moral outrage).
I guess this is a key difference, no XSX related C-Bomb thread nor Sony fans over blowing that to stick it to the competition, just some core rabid Xbox warriors trying to keep that topic out and focus only on PS and deliberately trying to overblow it.


I will wait for your next moral grandstanding I guess.

Hey, I can't help that one company called Sony doesn't own their own infrastructure and one called microsoft has ownership of the second biggest – or is it now biggest? – infrastructure on the planet. One taking all the money for them giving you the privilege to play online and the other taking that money and investing to make the infrastructure a better place. One being dependent on third parties to even run their PSN network and one not being dependent to run Xbox Live... also I can't help the fact that your Windows account serves as the main account that Microsoft uses for all things Microsoft related like Windows, Office, OneDrive, Skype, Xbox etc. So I ask again, what is the reason Microsoft shuts off Azure?

 

[alabtrosMyster]

It may be true that Steam is 'Digital Distribution done better' than on consoles but Steam is where the cancer of Digital Distribution really got popular and then spread to consoles.

No, piracy made people used to the convenience of "digital" software (who are these animals that have to put discs in their machines? get around stupid copy protection?).

It's mostly convenience.

 

[Halo2redvsblue]

It sucks for PS3 because its not BC with the PS4 or PS5 and with them shutting down the store maybe even future systems but with the PS4 being 99.98% backwards compatible with the PS5 and most likely PS5 will be 100% backwards compatible with PS6, why bother caring for these systems after the new ones come out? Do you really see yourself going back to the PS4 when literally pretty much everything you can play is on the PlayStation 5 and plays better. Would you go back to a 10 year old PC? That's pretty much what these consoles are like now. I'm more of an Xbox gamer and there are games I miss playing on the original Xbox and of course the 360 because they're not backwards compatible but for the love of God I'm never going to miss the Xbox One not because it was a really bad generation for Microsoft, it's because every game I have on Xbox one I can play on my Xbox Series X.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Hey, I can't help that one company called Sony doesn't own their own infrastructure and one called microsoft has ownership of the second biggest – or is it now biggest? – infrastructure on the planet. One taking all the money for them giving you the privilege to play online and the other taking that money and investing to make the infrastructure a better place. One being dependent on third parties to even run their PSN network and one not being dependent to run Xbox Live... also I can't help the fact that your Windows account serves as the main account that Microsoft uses for all things Microsoft related like Windows, Office, OneDrive, Skype, Xbox etc. So I ask again, what is the reason Microsoft shuts off Azure?

You know that probably Microsoft and other servers still use Sony's state-of-the-art archival solution that are durable and used by big companies/governments?






We're not talking about kids here, if Sony decides to go for another server or builds its own they make the fucking hardware for it. Sometimes it's better to just rent and have insurance as well, so when that server gets outdated you keep going for the newest thing, while the old one goes to the shitter or to poor countries. They could as well sell you the servers then rent it from you.

So you think Sony will simply prevent Microsoft from using Bluray and other patented archival solutions? Those are corporates seeking money, it's the main goal and competition comes second when you're fighting on the same pie share.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Still of the same opinion I guess ?

Sure. All Xbox games are on PC so I'm fine

 

[Wizz-Art]

You know that probably Microsoft and other servers still use Sony's state-of-the-art archival solution that are durable and used by big companies/governments?






We're not talking about kids here, if Sony decides to go for another server or builds its own they make the fucking hardware for it. Sometimes it's better to just rent and have insurance as well, so when that server gets outdated you keep going for the newest thing, while the old one goes to the shitter or to poor countries. They could as well sell you the servers then rent it from you.

So you think Sony will simply prevent Microsoft from using Bluray and other patented archival solutions? Those are corporates seeking money, it's the main goal and competition comes second when you're fighting on the same pie share.

Just like Sony using Havoc technology in games like Spider-man etc.MS owns a lot of patents and tech. Nobody said that big corporations don't use eachothers tech. Blu-ray isn't solely owned by Sony BTW, it's a consortium with a lot of other members and one of them is Sony sure, like DVD was owned by Toshiba, the CD by Philips and VHS by JVC etc. Your point is what?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Just like Sony using Havoc technology in games like Spider-man etc.MS owns a lot of patents and tech. Nobody said that big corporations don't use eachothers tech. Blu-ray isn't solely owned by Sony BTW, it's a consortium with a lot of other members and one of them is Sony sure, like DVD was owned by Toshiba, the CD by Philips and VHS by JVC etc. Your point is what?

My point none will say no to more money. Also where is Mixer content?

All past streams and VODs have expired and are no longer available for download. Thank you for having been a Mixer content creator!

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[Wizz-Art]

My point none will say no to more money. Also where is Mixer content?

All past streams and VODs have expired and are no longer available for download. Thank you for having been a Mixer content creator!

Xbox Support

support.xbox.com

Nobody used MIXER - that's why it closed down. Microsoft haters rhetoric.


By the way; If it was so cheap and easy to build an AWS or Azure like infrastructure – let me tell you something; it isn't like at all! It would take hundreds of billion dollars and years something Sony both can't afford – then Sony are cheapskates taking all that PS+ money and NOT investing in building an own infrastructure right!?

 

[martino]

this kind of crap was a given and it's why i will never go digital on consoles....
(and unlike people not looking around them and what happened for the other medias i don't think physical will die soon)
also the more games are on the open platform the better...at worst there the community can fix that crap if it ever happen.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It would take hundreds of billion dollars and years something Sony both can't afford

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Yeah, too expensive.

 

[Three]

Again, not true. You're right in that OEMs do use some data in the BIOS for activation...however you are wrong in that that data is NOT wiped when the CMOS battery is removed. That would mean it would have to be easily writeable (it's not) and defeat the entire purpose. I worked in IT for quite a while and wrote a tool to do OEM SLP activation. There's numerous little bits and bobs you need and it's a PITA to get working, even with actual OEM machines.

I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that It depends if the machine uses an EEPROM or CMOS for storing BIOS data. An EEPROM doesn't get reset but a CMOS one which needs to be powered by a battery does.

This isn't easily writable but it is writable and updaters need to be signed. It's easily writable for them but they have the keys. I understand that if it were easily writable UEFI Secure Boot would be useless. There are laptops/PCs out there you can CMOS reset (either through the reset jumper or removing the battery) and it would request activation afterwards. I've seen this first hand with using the reset jumper. This is my understanding of it anyway.

Retail windows use to (still do?) request activation on any hardware change anyway so replace a faulty part on your PC or BIOS reset and it has to call home to activate your license unless you have an OEM license on the motherboard. Same thing in the hypothetical worse case future on everything.

 

[ZywyPL]

PS4 went through an entire, 8-year long generation without a single report of the said issue, still going strong, and probably will for god knows how many more years. As for the PSN/XBL servers, well, they're not going anywhere unless either of the company decides to get out of the gaming business completely. The servers might change in the future for Sony, who knows, but a simple FW update will redirect the connection. Just change the battery if it dies, reconnect your PS/XB, and there you go.

 

[Wizz-Art]

Dedicated Server Cost: 8 Things to Consider. A recent analysis by SherWeb put the average monthly cost of a cloud server at $313.90 vs. a dedicated, on-premises server at $1,476.31. This estimate took into account the technology refresh rate, scaling needs, and the indirect cost of system administration staffing.

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Yeah, too expensive.

To build an AWS or Azure like infrastructure costs between 313.90 and 1476.31 a month....

 

[Three]

I'd be open to a format so long as I could get it working and playing games. In a hypothetical scenario with no internet, what problems would we face? So long as I can buy junked PS5s for spare parts to repair, then I'm cool. The battery issue is a real problem in this scenario obviously. I'd be ok with no trophies or other unnecessary features so long as it functions as it's suppose to.

Another scenario to imagine is if in the future Sony moved to all digital or some kind of subscription based service. For anyone that wanted to opt out of that, would they be able to? Would they be able to keep and maintain their PS5s, or would they be encouraged to move on to the new service?

I hope this is something that will be patched out in the future. As it stands I have 2 PS3s that I plan to service to give them as long a live as possible. I'm looking at thermal paste/pads, new hard drives, and trying to find the longest lasting CR2032 I can get.

Yes as long as the drive is formatted from the beginning it would not know the difference.

I'm not sure about Sonys plans. I'm not an insider but if they maintain the current OS and licence system I don't see why you wouldn't be able to maintain your PS5. Don't worry about your PS3 CMOS battery. Activation still works even on a PS3. If in the future it doesn't you can cross that bridge. There is custom firmware. If Sony reaches a point where they won't even activate it then clearly it is no longer monitised and there won't be any resistance to custom firmware with firmware updates.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

To build an AWS or Azure like infrastructure costs between 313.90 and 1476.31 a month....

Rent*. You can always change to another provider, and keep it hassle-free. When server provider is incompetent and a new server provider gives a better/newer tech, go there. As long as they have all data saved it's not rocket science but you don't want to waste money. Also Sony made their SSD controller vs MS using 3rd party. Should I say they should make their own? They're shit windows can't even compete with server OS vs Linux.

Companies don't work that way. Sony went easily from AWS to Azure, because everything is archived.

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The same company can be a costumer of another, you just calculate things and pick up the best investment. You think Microsoft "CAN" shut Sony's servers? You think it's like playing football/basketball with your neighbors when you lose you just run away with your ball? There are many deals and contracts if broken can make you go from hero to zero. If a Sony server goes down, who do you think is losing more money?

 

[Wizz-Art]

Rent*. You can always change to another provider, and keep it hassle-free. When server provider is incompetent and a new server provider gives a better/newer tech, go there. As long as they have all data saved it's not rocket science but you don't want to waste money. Also Sony made their SSD controller vs MS using 3rd party. Should I say they should make their own? They're shit windows can't even compete with server OS vs Linux.

Companies don't work that way. Sony went easily from AWS to Azure, because everything is archived.

Cloud storage: How secure are Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive, and iCloud?

Each of these popular cloud platforms boasts robust security - but which does it best?

www.itproportal.com

The same company can be a costumer of another, you just calculate things and pick up the best investment. You think Microsoft "CAN" shut Sony's servers? You think it's like playing football/basketball with your neighbors when you lose you just run away with your ball? There are many deals and contracts if broken can make you go from hero to zero. If a Sony server goes down, who do you think lose more money?

You quoted me with the statement; building an AWS/AZURE like infrastructure costs hundred of billions of dollars and takes years and years to build and then you counter with rent? I mean what?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You quoted me with the statement; building an AWS/AZURE like infrastructure costs hundred of billions of dollars and takes years and years to build and then you counter with rent? I mean what?

Do you have any quotation? Also that kinda money is for multi-use. Making it for PSN only won't even cost a fraction of that, probably something around the tens of billions which is manageable but won't expect Sony to have good ROI out of it unless they make more companies rent from them. Also you don't get shit from cloud gaming because expense are on you, at best making EA/Activision rent some from you.

 

[Wizz-Art]

Do you have any quotation? Also that kinda money is for multi-use. Making it for PSN only won't even cost a fraction of that, probably something around the tens of billions which is manageable but won't expect Sony to have good ROI out of it unless they make more companies rent from them. Also you don't get shit from cloud gaming because expense are on you, at best making EA/Activision rent some from you.

You are so close to go on the ignore list as I have annoying kids arround me every day so I can't be bothered to deal with them on a gaming message board I frequent in my spare-time.

The quote is in your post #560 or did you quote totally out of context and try to make it look funny or something???

You've taken that quote straigh out of my post #558.

[EDIT]
Ok, you have a good point that making a network only for PSN wouldn't cost that much, touche.

But question yourself, why didn't Sony do it then? Or did they once and it got hacked massively?

 

[The_Mike]

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Don't buy PS5's and don't buy/build PC's then. Be careful of the CBOMB, don't replace it as you need to be a scientist to do so.

It's amazing you can't see the difference between changing cmos in your pc set it up and go play your games (no matter "generation") versus a bricked console.

If I showed you a picture of a burned scrap car and a ferrari your reaction would probably be like

 

[Birdo]

No console is safe from the "Literal bomb!".

The Switch won't even power on when it's battery dies. Even when plugged into the mains.

 

[Snake29]

You are so close to go on the ignore list as I have annoying kids arround me every day so I can't be bothered to deal with them on a gaming message board I frequent in my spare-time.

The quote is in your post #560 or did you quote totally out of context and try to make it look funny or something???

You've taken that quote straigh out of my post #558.

[EDIT]
Ok, you have a good point that making a network only for PSN wouldn't cost that much, touche.

But question yourself, why didn't Sony do it then? Or did they once and it got hacked massively?

Why should Sony step into being a cloud provider for themselves? Why didn't Netflix, Apple, Disney, Nintendo and thousands and thousands of other big companies didn't create their own infrastructure? You think Azure is only for MS and not for other customers?

Azure is there for customers like Sony and all of the others. In fact, Xbox department is also a customer for the Azure services....it's not free or something.

 

[Wizz-Art]

Why should Sony step into being a cloud provider for themselves? Why didn't Netflix, Apple, Disney, Nintendo and thousands and thousands of other big companies didn't create their own infrastructure? You think Azure is only for MS and not for other customers?

Azure is there for customers like Sony and all of the others.

Don't act like a know it all. I said earlier that Azure is the most important division MS has, it makes huge amounts of money. Of course they offer it to companies for rent, duh that was the whole point of building it.

I asked; why doesn't Sony make an infrastructure for PSN only if isn't remotely as expensive like an Azure like system? Not why Sony doesn't build something as huge as Azure obviously, I mean what were you thinking going with that?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You are so close to go on the ignore list as I have annoying kids arround me every day so I can't be bothered to deal with them on a gaming message board I frequent in my spare-time.

The quote is in your post #560 or did you quote totally out of context and try to make it look funny or something???

You've taken that quote straigh out of my post #558.

You don't have a teacher's stamina of how to deal with kids like I do. Anyway, everything needed to be said has been said. Bottom line is Sony in 0% danger of not having servers available. Those contracts are done and protected by years and penalties of breaking such deals can dismantle the other company. While you have that deal secured you've already had all your data secured in your archival storage that can work and operate using fiber connection with up to 375MB/s (3Gbps) of streaming speed per cartridge that holds 5.5TB, with a total of 40Gbps speed per box. You definitely didn't even open the videos. Just one of those archives are capable of 4.7PB (4,700TB) of data, you can easily save all games since PS1 with all user data with probably less than 2 of these, meaning a tiny space in PlayStation HQ.

Also Sony's new discs are outrageously large, so next-next-next gen discs are secured.

Sony is currently developing an enterprise class library solution with Qualstar Corporation utilising Gen3 technology. The high capacity solution will scale from 4.7PB up to 50PB* 3 per single library and can scale-out to multi-library cluster configurations capable of managing hundreds of petabytes of archive data.

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Can be used on those "expensive servers" as well. Here's a Windows version:

System Requirements​

• Microsoft Windows 10 (USB Drive only)
• Microsoft Windows server 2012 / 2012 R2
• Microsoft Windows server 2016
• Microsoft Windows server 2019

Features​

• Simple graphical user interface (GUI) to manage files easily
• Automated failover of library control path
• Co-existence of automated library operation and offline shelf management
• High performance of end-to-end operation
• Interoperability between library and standalone drive
• Supports a variety of formats for creating metadata
• MD5 checksum for archive data
• Import/export of metadata created in the cartridges unit
• Partial retrieve
• Modes for user application:
  • Web Service API mode (RESTful API)
  • File Server mode I/F (SMB)

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1. Once the data is written on Sony ODA media it cannot be changed making it safe from ransomware attack
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3. You can access your data in any random order like a hard disk giving you the freedom to recover as much information as you need after a ransomware attack
4. It has fast transfer rates too, making it quicker than downloading data from the cloud on slow internet connections
5. Unlike LTO tape media it does not need expensive, controlled environmental conditions, making it eco-friendly
6. It’s simple to use, making it ideal for any size of business
7. It can handle small, medium and enterprise data volumes from 3.3TB to 1.7PB storage capacity range systems of a USB drive or PetaSite rack system. More data storage capacity can be added if needed.
8. Sony ODA media are certified for industry leading backup solutions including Veritas NetBackup, ArcServer, NetApp Storage Grid and many others.

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And yes, used on Azure and AWS:

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So it's not a bad idea if you buy grocery from me then I pay you to eat at your restaurant.

 

[GHG]

Hey, I can't help that one company called Sony doesn't own their own infrastructure and one called microsoft has ownership of the second biggest – or is it now biggest? – infrastructure on the planet. One taking all the money for them giving you the privilege to play online and the other taking that money and investing to make the infrastructure a better place. One being dependent on third parties to even run their PSN network and one not being dependent to run Xbox Live... also I can't help the fact that your Windows account serves as the main account that Microsoft uses for all things Microsoft related like Windows, Office, OneDrive, Skype, Xbox etc. So I ask again, what is the reason Microsoft shuts off Azure?

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...

Sony earn money from the blu-ray drive that's in Xbox consoles. By your logic we should be critical of Microsoft for failing to develop and implement their own disk drive format.

Thankfully the vast majority of people are not so stupid and short-sighted, this is how business works and the reality is that it's a web full of partnerships.

 

[Wizz-Art]

You don't have a teacher's stamina of how to deal with kids like I do. Anyway, everything needed to be said has been said. Bottom line is Sony in 0% danger of not having servers available. Those contracts are done and protected by years and penalties of breaking such deals can dismantle the other company. While you have that deal secured you've already have all your data secured in your archival storage that can work and operate using fiber connection with up to 375MB/s (3Gbps) of streaming speed per cartridge that holds 5.5TB, with a total of 40Gbps speed per box. You definitely didn't even open the videos. Just one of those archives are capable of 4.7PB (4,700TB) of data, you can easily save all games since PS1 with all user data with probably less than 2 of these, meaning a tiny space in PlayStation HQ.

Also Sony's new discs are outrageously large, so next-next-next gen discs are secured.

Sony is currently developing an enterprise class library solution with Qualstar Corporation utilising Gen3 technology. The high capacity solution will scale from 4.7PB up to 50PB* 3 per single library and can scale-out to multi-library cluster configurations capable of managing hundreds of petabytes of archive data.

Sony Announces Optical Disc Archive Generation 3 New Long-Life Media with Increased Capacity and Higher Speed Drive

New Archive Media Supports 5.5TB per Cartridge and 375MB/sec Transfer Speed per Drive Enterprise Library Solution Using Optical Disc Archive Gen3 Under Development

pro.sony

Can be used on those "expensive servers" as well. Here's a Windows version:

System Requirements​

• Microsoft Windows 10 (USB Drive only)
• Microsoft Windows server 2012 / 2012 R2
• Microsoft Windows server 2016
• Microsoft Windows server 2019

Features​

• Simple graphical user interface (GUI) to manage files easily
• Automated failover of library control path
• Co-existence of automated library operation and offline shelf management
• High performance of end-to-end operation
• Interoperability between library and standalone drive
• Supports a variety of formats for creating metadata
• MD5 checksum for archive data
• Import/export of metadata created in the cartridges unit
• Partial retrieve
• Modes for user application:
  • Web Service API mode (RESTful API)
  • File Server mode I/F (SMB)

Sony Creative Software - Optical Disc Archive File Manager2

www.sonycreativesoftware.com

Sony Optical Disc Archive (ODA) backup systems are the best defence against ransomware for many reasons:

1. Once the data is written on Sony ODA media it cannot be changed making it safe from ransomware attack
2. Sony ODA error rate is the lowest in the industry, so you can be sure you can recover your data virtually error-free from a backup
3. You can access your data in any random order like a hard disk giving you the freedom to recover as much information as you need after a ransomware attack
4. It has fast transfer rates too, making it quicker than downloading data from the cloud on slow internet connections
5. Unlike LTO tape media it does not need expensive, controlled environmental conditions, making it eco-friendly
6. It’s simple to use, making it ideal for any size of business
7. It can handle small, medium and enterprise data volumes from 3.3TB to 1.7PB storage capacity range systems of a USB drive or PetaSite rack system. More data storage capacity can be added if needed.
8. Sony ODA media are certified for industry leading backup solutions including Veritas NetBackup, ArcServer, NetApp Storage Grid and many others.

Protect your business from Ransomware with Sony ODA | Wolberry

Ransomware attacks are rising in 2019 and your best defence is to use Sony ODA storage media in your backup solutions. Eurofins,...

www.wolberry.com

And yes, used on Azure and AWS:

Delivering the ability to safely and affordably store, secure, protect and recover your data for 100+ years, NETArchive provides a modular architecture consisting of high performance disk, cloud and Sony ODA optical tiers. With support for on-premises installations and cloud-based deployments in the Microsoft Azure and Amazon Web Services (AWS) cloud, NETArchive delivers elastic scalability with simplified, cross-platform management and unrivaled control. It delivers a flexible, robust and secure solution that can be tailored to meet the data management, business continuity and long-term retention requirements in today’s complex business and IT environments.

Sony ODA Solutions Partner

Sony ODA Solutions Partner

www.alliancestoragetechnologies.com

So it's not a bad idea if you buy grocery from me then I pay you to eat at your restaurant.

Long contracts, yes probably. But that works both ways. MS delivers Sony pays...if Sony stops paying, the conractual obligations to deliver would void, would it not?

The you scratch my back I scratch your does apply to these two companies for a very long time but that isn't the discussion in this topic I think. People were jumping from the Xbox too news and I explained why it will never ever happen that you can't reach the authentication servers. That post didn't really get a response or was overlooked.

It's ok. As I suspected, most of you Sony fanatics actually have the answer but giving that answer means I won the argument here and that absolutely can't happen in the mind of a rabid Sony fanboy...

The 'gotcha' moment most of you so desired wasn't that moment at all. I present you with facts, and fact are; as long as – what is it 80-90% of – the world still uses a Windows based PC and all other MS related services are tied to that Windows account it's 100% impossible that Azure where the authentication part for your account is run on and is the biggest division Microsoft has – even the US army uses Azure so there's that. In short; Whatever happens, Azure won't ever shut off guaranteed!

 

[Wizz-Art]

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...

Sony earn money from the blu-ray drive that's in Xbox consoles. By your logic we should be critical of Microsoft for failing to develop and implement their own disk drive format.

Thankfully the vast majority of people are not so stupid and short-sighted, this is how business works and the reality is that it's a web full of partnerships.

What has your post anything to do with what you quoted?

 

[ethomaz]

Xbox has an OFFLINE Mode. If you console is set as a home console you can play ALL your games while being completely offline. Forever.

If the battery dies and you replace it you can’t even reach to point to change to offline without authenticate to servers.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Long contracts, yes probably. But that works both ways. MS delivers Sony pays...if Sony stops paying, the conractual obligations to deliver would void, would it not?

The you scratch my back I scratch your does apply to these two companies for a very long time but that isn't the discussion in this topic I think. People were jumping from the Xbox too news and I explained why it will never ever happen that you can't reach the authentication servers. That post didn't really get a response or was overlooked.

It's ok. As I suspected, most of you Sony fanatics actually have the answer but giving that answer means I won the argument here and that absolutely can't happen in the mind of a rabid Sony fanboy...

The 'gotcha' moment most of you so desired wasn't that moment at all. I present you with facts, and fact are; as long as – what is it 80-90% of – the world still uses a Windows based PC and all other MS related services are tied to that Windows account it's 100% impossible that Azure where the authentication part for your account is run on and is the biggest division Microsoft has – even the US army uses Azure so there's that. In short; Whatever happens, Azure won't ever shut off guaranteed!

If Sony stops paying then they probably have much more problems than PlayStation, which means they're going bankrupt.

Also those servers are provided are using Sony's ODA system, and more than sure the deal done by Microsoft and Sony in large is larger than PlayStation brand. Both are gaining money out of it indeed.

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And as you can see, that system is going to all kinds of servers not just Azure. Most likely Microsoft made a good discount for it while Sony got a good discount for cloud usage. A win-win situation.

And it's beyond PlayStation Division as they were stunned by the news:

According to a new report from Bloomberg, employees of Sony’s PlayStation division were among those stunned by the announcement. People familiar with the matter say that most of the staff at the gaming division were unaware of the upcoming partnership, as the talks with Microsoft were handled directly by Sony’s senior management in Japan.

PlayStation employees stunned by Sony's deal with Microsoft

Employees of Sony's gaming division were surprised and unaware of the company's plan to collaborate with Microsoft, its main rival in the gaming space, on game streaming and other cloud services.

www.neowin.net

 

[GHG]

What has your post anything to do with what you quoted?

Not wasting my time anymore.

Worst thing about all of this is that you actually think you're being smart.

 

[nightmare-slain]

i'd go back to physical games if they came with the full game and didn't require online activation. no patches, dlc, expansions. it's alright saying you will stick to physical but when the servers go then you will lose access to patches + dlc. now you're left with a paperweight console and useless pieces of plastic.

what i love about my PS2 Slim is i can just stick in my games from 1999-2008 and get the full experience without connecting to anything.

going forward both Sony + Microsoft should promise to make games available for as long as possible. if i download games on my PS4 then i should be able to access them in 15-20 years from now just like I can still play my old PS1/PS2 games. surely for big companies like Sony/MS they can afford the storage. in the future they can close stores down to stop more purchases but for goodness sake let people access their library and redownload games.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I want to know if the bluray/UHD drive will work in such a scenario.



Not really a problem with the PS3/PS4 as far as I can tell as the hard drives are easily replaceable. I'd be interested to see if anyone's willing to risk 2 PS5s in an attempt to swap the drives and get them to work without online authentication.

disc games will work without any trouble without any kind of network needed on any Playstation system. If you have to replace the PS3/4 hdd the instructions are on Sony's web site, the firmware/OS files are freely available.

If you want to re-install the software on a PS5, same deal... However the PS5's built-in memory is soldered (like for the Wii/Switch/PSP/Vita)... I don't know that it will be possible to boot off of an nvme drive when they get support for these.... But in all cases, if you have a working playstation console that can read discs you'll be able to play them.

 

[Wizz-Art]

If Sony stops paying then they probably have much more problems than PlayStation, which means they're going bankrupt.

Also those servers are provided are using Sony's ODA system, and more than sure the deal done by Microsoft and Sony in large is larger than PlayStation brand. Both are gaining money out of it indeed.

NetBackup backup and recovery software, enables you to keep your data safe on a range of media on premise or in the cloud including Sony Optical Disc Archive, LTO Tape, SATA disk or Public Cloud storage including AWS S3, Microsoft® Azure, Google Cloud Platform Storage, Oracle Cloud Platform, Oracle Database Server, IBM Bluemix, Hitachi, and SwiftStack.

Optical Archiving - Use Case Examples | Wolberry

See various use cases from Wolberry that highlight how Optical Disc Archiving can be implemented into IT infrastructure and environments.

www.wolberry.com

And as you can see, that system is going to all kinds of servers not just Azure. Most likely Microsoft made a good discount for it while Sony got a good discount for cloud usage. A win-win situation.

And it's beyond PlayStation Division as they were stunned by the news:

According to a new report from Bloomberg, employees of Sony’s PlayStation division were among those stunned by the announcement. People familiar with the matter say that most of the staff at the gaming division were unaware of the upcoming partnership, as the talks with Microsoft were handled directly by Sony’s senior management in Japan.

PlayStation employees stunned by Sony's deal with Microsoft

Employees of Sony's gaming division were surprised and unaware of the company's plan to collaborate with Microsoft, its main rival in the gaming space, on game streaming and other cloud services.

www.neowin.net

By the way; Isn't that last picture the one that send Theap99 into meltdown?

I know they use eachothers tech, it's not a secret and you don't have to convince me of that fact. Saying that Sony would have other troubles if they're not paying their contractual obligations is an understatement I agree. But the thing is, with the massive hack back in the days, with closing of their movies storefront on PS, servers for first party games like Drive Club, and storefronts like PS3 and the Vita in a couple of months time, you simply never can be so sure of them - how unlikely it may sound - they're doing those mentioned things. It will never be 100% sure that someone says "it will never happen' because they've given reasons not to trust them for the full 100%.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

By the way; Isn't that last picture the one that send Theap99 into meltdown?

I know they use eachothers tech, it's not a secret and you don't have to convince me of that fact. Saying that Sony would have other troubles if they're not paying their contractual obligations is an understatement I agree. But the thing is, with the massive hack back in the days, with closing of their movies storefront on PS, servers for first party games like Drive Club, and storefronts like PS3 and the Vita in a couple of months time, you simply never can be so sure of them - how unlikely it may sound - they're doing those mentioned things. It will never be 100% sure that someone says "it will never happen' because they've given reasons not to trust them for the full 100%.

All these doomsday scenarios whatever shall we do?!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

By the way; Isn't that last picture the one that send Theap99 into meltdown?

I know they use eachothers tech, it's not a secret and you don't have to convince me of that fact. Saying that Sony would have other troubles if they're not paying their contractual obligations is an understatement I agree. But the thing is, with the massive hack back in the days, with closing of their movies storefront on PS, servers for first party games like Drive Club, and storefronts like PS3 and the Vita in a couple of months time, you simply never can be so sure of them - how unlikely it may sound - they're doing those mentioned things. It will never be 100% sure that someone says "it will never happen' because they've given reasons not to trust them for the full 100%.

It's the same thing with Microsoft, really. Closing all stores worldwide, closing Mixer and losing all content. Also they were so close to closing Bing as well, which provides the maps for Microsoft FS2020.

Bill Gates: Sell off Bing? Nah. Xbox? Maybe...

Microsoft founder says he can't see selling money-losing online division 'making sense'

www.theregister.com

Also, it's not like they're not getting pushed by Google (Alphabet). With ARM being the next architecture after the aging x86 puts much more concern on their business future:

Bill Gates says his ‘greatest mistake ever’ was Microsoft losing to Android

Microsoft’s messy move from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone let Android thrive

www.theverge.com

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's the same thing with Microsoft, really. Closing all stores worldwide, closing Mixer and losing all content, also they were so close to closing Bing as well, that provides the maps for Microsoft FS2020.

Bill Gates: Sell off Bing? Nah. Xbox? Maybe...

Microsoft founder says he can't see selling money-losing online division 'making sense'

www.theregister.com

Also, it's not like they're getting pushed by Google (Alphabet), and with ARM being the next architecture after the aging x86 puts much more concern on their business future:

Bill Gates says his ‘greatest mistake ever’ was Microsoft losing to Android

Microsoft’s messy move from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone let Android thrive

www.theverge.com

The only reason Xbox is still here is because Phil stanned for it

But PS is the one that's doomed lol

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that It depends if the machine uses an EEPROM or CMOS for storing BIOS data. An EEPROM doesn't get reset but a CMOS one which needs to be powered by a battery does.

This isn't easily writable but it is writable and updaters need to be signed. It's easily writable for them but they have the keys. I understand that if it were easily writable UEFI Secure Boot would be useless. There are laptops/PCs out there you can CMOS reset (either through the reset jumper or removing the battery) and it would request activation afterwards. I've seen this first hand with using the reset jumper. This is my understanding of it anyway.

Retail windows use to (still do?) request activation on any hardware change anyway so replace a faulty part on your PC or BIOS reset and it has to call home to activate your license unless you have an OEM license on the motherboard. Same thing in the hypothetical worse case future on everything.

AFAIK removing the CMOS battery will always wipe the BIOS settings. Even though it could be stored on non-volatile memory imagine if you ended up in a non-POSTable situation...how would you recover? The BIOS itself (and the embedded SLIC data for XP~7 / OEM key for 8+) are stored on the eeprom itself and removing the CMOS will not clear it unless something is VERY wrong, and if it did it wouldn't just wipe the SLIC, the whole BIOS would be nuked and the board turned into a paperweight.

Windows does still request activation with enough hardware changes, but it's a little more lenient than it used to be.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The only reason Xbox is still here is because Phil stanned for it

But PS is the one that's doomed lol

People who can't see the massive threat to Microsoft business need to read more, really. Bill Gates was smart to departure before the free fall of the empire he built. When nVidia pushes for ARM, others like AMD and Apple start making all the necessary parts as well for ARM to thrive, you should be more than sure that Microsoft will shrink even more than it is now.

And this was a decade ago. Most people don't see the need to own a PC/desktop compared to 2 decades ago. And tablets are evolving rapidly as well.

 

[Allandor]

People who can't see the massive threat to Microsoft business need to read more, really. Bill Gates was smart to departure before the free fall of the empire he built. When nVidia pushes for ARM, others like AMD and Apple start making all the necessary parts as well for ARM to thrive, you should be more than sure that Microsoft will shrink even more than it is now.

And this was a decade ago. Most people don't see the need to own a PC/desktop compared to 2 decades ago. And tablets are evolving rapidly as well.

Difference is not really that "big". Just because there are "just" much more devices. Absolute numbers should still increase for all. Companies don't look at market percentages, they look at sales and $ to see if something is profitable.

 

[Wizz-Art]

It's the same thing with Microsoft, really. Closing all stores worldwide, closing Mixer and losing all content. Also they were so close to closing Bing as well, which provides the maps for Microsoft FS2020.

Bill Gates: Sell off Bing? Nah. Xbox? Maybe...

Microsoft founder says he can't see selling money-losing online division 'making sense'

www.theregister.com

Also, it's not like they're not getting pushed by Google (Alphabet). With ARM being the next architecture after the aging x86 puts much more concern on their business future:

Bill Gates says his ‘greatest mistake ever’ was Microsoft losing to Android

Microsoft’s messy move from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone let Android thrive

www.theverge.com

The closing off physical stores - how unfortunate for employees that is - isn't affecting me personally, Mixer neither as I'm not a streamer or enjoy watching streams, I'm not the demographic. If I was an employee however or a streamer on Mixer I can see how that would've had effect on my trust in Microsoft. As of now that hasn't been the case, and that's why I'm happy to be in their ecosystem and buy my stuff digitally from them, games, movies and TV-shows.

If a future PS console offers PS3 BC there's a big chance I will buy that console. I will however buy my games on physical media just because I'm not so sure on them keeping stuff up.

 

[Faithless83]

- Guys but if the economy crashes and the servers go down, we won't be able to play our games anymore!
- If the economy crashes, won't we have bigger problems like unemployment?
- Bu... but GAMES!1!

 

[Zog]

- If the economy crashes, won't we have bigger problems like unemployment?

Not been paying attention? People have been locked down and they have gamed more.

 

[Wizz-Art]

^^Shit, I can't find the 'welcome to Neogaf' gif.

 

[Faithless83]

Not been paying attention? People have been locked down and they have gamed more.

Could you please read it again?
Not endorsing "preservation" but both PS3 and PSVita are easily modifiable right now.
IF it comes down to the "doomsday scenario", the internet "will find a way".

A serious issue though is the NSW battery, if it dies the console won't turn on, it will be a brick.
Since heat is the biggest battery killer and NSW is not cool at all, we'll have a problem sooner than any doomsday scenario kicks in.

 

[Zog]

Could you please read it again?
Not endorsing "preservation" but both PS3 and PSVita are easily modifiable right now.
IF it comes down to the "doomsday scenario", the internet "will find a way".

A serious issue though is the NSW battery, if it dies the console won't turn on, it will be a brick.
Since heat is the biggest battery killer and NSW is not cool at all, we'll have a problem sooner than any doomsday scenario kicks in.

...and the Wii U, you can't even change the settings without the Gamepad but they didn't release any extra Gamepads like they would for normal controllers.

 

[Red Rackham's Revenge]

disc games will work without any trouble without any kind of network needed on any Playstation system.

I hope so, but someone earlier in the thread said they tested it on a PS4 Pro and no bueno.

 

[Kilau]

- Guys but if the economy crashes and the servers go down, we won't be able to play our games anymore!
- If the economy crashes, won't we have bigger problems like unemployment?
- Bu... but GAMES!1!

When we die, our entire gaming library becomes unplayable by us. No solution has been found.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The closing off physical stores - how unfortunate for employees that is - isn't affecting me personally, Mixer neither as I'm not a streamer or enjoy watching streams, I'm not the demographic. If I was an employee however or a streamer on Mixer I can see how that would've had effect on my trust in Microsoft. As of now that hasn't been the case, and that's why I'm happy to be in their ecosystem and buy my stuff digitally from them, games, movies and TV-shows.

If a future PS console offers PS3 BC there's a big chance I will buy that console. I will however buy my games on physical media just because I'm not so sure on them keeping stuff up.

Also, it's a "collaboration" between Sony and Microsoft, not just a simple deal. Each are benefiting from it:

As part of the memorandum of understanding, Sony and Microsoft will also explore collaboration in the areas of semiconductors and AI. For semiconductors, this includes potential joint development of new intelligent image sensor solutions. By integrating Sony’s cutting-edge image sensors with Microsoft’s Azure AI technology in a hybrid manner across cloud and edge, as well as solutions that leverage Sony’s semiconductors and Microsoft cloud technology, the companies aim to provide enhanced capabilities for enterprise customers. In terms of AI, the parties will explore incorporation of Microsoft’s advanced AI platform and tools in Sony consumer products, to provide highly intuitive and user-friendly AI experiences.

Sony and Microsoft to explore strategic partnership - Stories

Companies to collaborate on new cloud-based solutions for gaming experiences and AI solutions TOKYO and REDMOND, Wash. — May 16, 2019 — Sony Corporation (Sony) and Microsoft Corp. (Microsoft) announced on Thursday that the two companies will partner on new innovations to enhance customer...

news.microsoft.com

You can enjoy Microsoft as much as you like, that's not my problem. My problem here is suggesting problems with Sony only, while none of the previous digital store purchases are affected nor any console has bricked due to that battery nor any evidence that you "can't" replace it and run it normally as usual. Closing store purchases doesn't mean shutting support, it's like suggesting that a car maker when closing a lineup they won't support the car with parts anymore.

 

[HTK]

Some of these threads are like the MTV shows in the 2000s. Dumb meaningless drama. Nothing in life is permanent except death and taxes.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

And the articles are beginning...

Xbox Series X / S: no battery problems, games unusable in the future for DRM? - Aroged

We have reported the news related to the possible problems of the internal battery of PS5 and PS4 / PS4 PRO, the new Xbox consoles have no problems in this regard but there is a detail that could still make the two hardware unusable in the near future: i DRM. Secondo Does It Play? “Next-gen […]

www.aroged.com

 

[Wizz-Art]

Also, it's a "collaboration" between Sony and Microsoft, not just a simple deal. Each are benefiting from it:

As part of the memorandum of understanding, Sony and Microsoft will also explore collaboration in the areas of semiconductors and AI. For semiconductors, this includes potential joint development of new intelligent image sensor solutions. By integrating Sony’s cutting-edge image sensors with Microsoft’s Azure AI technology in a hybrid manner across cloud and edge, as well as solutions that leverage Sony’s semiconductors and Microsoft cloud technology, the companies aim to provide enhanced capabilities for enterprise customers. In terms of AI, the parties will explore incorporation of Microsoft’s advanced AI platform and tools in Sony consumer products, to provide highly intuitive and user-friendly AI experiences.

Sony and Microsoft to explore strategic partnership - Stories

Companies to collaborate on new cloud-based solutions for gaming experiences and AI solutions TOKYO and REDMOND, Wash. — May 16, 2019 — Sony Corporation (Sony) and Microsoft Corp. (Microsoft) announced on Thursday that the two companies will partner on new innovations to enhance customer...

news.microsoft.com

You can enjoy Microsoft as much as you like, that's not my problem. My problem here is suggesting problems with Sony only, while non of the previous digital store purchases are affected nor any console has bricked due to that battery nor any evidence that you "can't" replace it and run it normally as usual. Closing store purchases doesn't mean shutting support, it's like suggesting that a car maker when closing a lineup they won't support the car with parts anymore.

But why don't keep those storefronts up or implement them into the new storefront? It's not for the benefit of us the consumers!? I also can't imagine it cost a lot. Is it only because PSN for those consoles works for free and they want to migrate the userbase that are still on those consoles to newer ones where they can potentially sell a PS+ subscription? That's the only plausible reason I can think of.

Your analogy of that car maker is not a great one I think. Let me explain; The PS3 is the car, the games are the parts and without the storefront how can you ever order/buy them? You can go to the scrapyard/Gamestop I suppose and hope they have the part/game you were looking for? See, it's not that ideal.